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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:19:07 PM EDT
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JagerWerks has RMR-cut an Advantage Arms .22 LR conversion.
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Posted: 2/21/2020 7:21:43 PM EDT
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Bruce Gagneaux at Primary Machine has offered to RMR-cut a G44 for free.
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Posted: 2/23/2020 1:47:43 PM EDT
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Would there be cycling issues with the extra weight on a moving slide?
I was under the impression this was a no go for 22lr? The glock being plastic is interesting |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:37:20 PM EDT
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From,
https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/Advantage-Arms-22-LR-Conversion-Kit-with-RMR-Cut/13-193157/? Quoted:
There is a write up of an AA that Jagerwerks did in the current issue of Stealth Magazine. It’s badass. If you haven’t seen it grab a copy. 
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Mine has been GTG, but I’ve only put around 400-500 rounds through it so far. Golden Bullets and CCI SV work best. I’m shooting suppressed, btw. Aguila SV, HV, and Remington subsonic are a no-go. You can check with Bruce to see if anyone has taken him up on his offer to RMR-cut a G44. |
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Posted: 2/23/2020 3:43:13 PM EDT
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A slide-mounted red dot will cycle if you ditch high velocity ammo and step up to hyper velocity ammo (1400+ FPS). I would go with CCI Velocitors because they are very consistent and the heavier/slower 40 grain bullet creates a slightly longer recoil impulse that cycles the heavier slide more reliably compared to something like the Stinger with its 32-grain bullet that doesn’t get up to advertised speed anyways without a rifle-length barrel. Winchester also sells a 40-grain @ 1435 FPS varmint load but it’s not as consistent as CCI leading to weak/no cycling or complete dud rounds. Águila Interceptors are also 40 grains @ 1470 FPS and seem more consistent than the Winchester ammo but still not as clean and consistent as CCI. If your hands touch the slide at all while cycling all bets are off.
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Posted: 2/23/2020 10:30:47 PM EDT
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I'm running a TRUGLO TRU-TEC Micro Sub-Compact Red Dot Sight mounted on an EGW S&W M&P .22 Compact Sight Mount on my M&P22 Compact. It runs all day long on Federal Bulk Pak (36 gr., copper-plated, hollow point) and CCI Mini-Mags (40 Grain Copper Plated Round Nose) like a boss.
I'll see if I can get a picture uploaded.  Attached File Attached FileI'd like to get it milled into the slide vice the mount, both to lower it and reduced the weight, but I'm not sure there's enough "meat" in the slide to do that. |
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Posted: 2/27/2020 8:00:05 AM EDT
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Browning Buckmark has a (sort of) pic rail and you can get it factory pre-threaded.
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Posted: 5/2/2020 8:33:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: I'm running a TRUGLO TRU-TEC Micro Sub-Compact Red Dot Sight mounted on an EGW S&W M&P .22 Compact Sight Mount on my M&P22 Compact. It runs all day long on Federal Bulk Pak (36 gr., copper-plated, hollow point) and CCI Mini-Mags (40 Grain Copper Plated Round Nose) like a boss. I'll see if I can get a picture uploaded. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/19800/IMG-1186_jpg-1289060.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/19800/IMG-1189_jpg-1289061.JPG I'd like to get it milled into the slide vice the mount, both to lower it and reduced the weight, but I'm not sure there's enough "meat" in the slide to do that. Frankly I find it hard to believe your M&P 22C cycles on standard bulk pack ammo with the dot on the slide. I’ve never found anything less than hyper velocity stuff to work. |
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Posted: 5/2/2020 9:48:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yoda_USAF: Frankly I find it hard to believe your M&P 22C cycles on standard bulk pack ammo with the dot on the slide. I’ve never found anything less than hyper velocity stuff to work. |
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Posted: 5/2/2020 10:08:51 PM EDT
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The CEO of Taurus said they were working on an optics ready tx22.
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Posted: 5/3/2020 11:58:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The CEO of Taurus said they were working on an optics ready tx22.  I used lakeline's plate and a cheap ADE dot just to see if the TX would run with the extra weight. It does, just as reliable with the dot as without. The cheapie dot is holding up just fine so far, I'll replace it with something better if it fails. I would like the dot sitting lower so a milled slide would be a must buy. My other TX is still stock sights.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 1:49:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yoda_USAF: Frankly I find it hard to believe your M&P 22C cycles on standard bulk pack ammo with the dot on the slide. I’ve never found anything less than hyper velocity stuff to work. I was trying to show you the rounds were, in fact, Fed Bulk Pak, load, and shoot, all one-handed while filming with my goddamn iPhone. I think you get the drift. |
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Posted: 5/3/2020 11:53:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: Well, here's shittily-shot video just for you of that very thing. Hope you don't mind the can; wife gets cranky when I shoot unsuppressed in the back yard. I was trying to show you the rounds were, in fact, Fed Bulk Pak, load, and shoot, all one-handed while filming with my goddamn iPhone. I think you get the drift.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnKrt0mVlnQAwesome, I’m glad it works for you. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 10:32:43 PM EDT
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Madd Macs can do milled Ruger uppers. I think I'm going to get a MKIV version.
http://www.maddmacsprecisiontactical.com/maddmacs-xbarib.html 
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Posted: 5/14/2020 10:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shultz: I guess I'll end up with 3 TX22'S I used lakeline's plate and a cheap ADE dot just to see if the TX would run with the extra weight. It does, just as reliable with the dot as without. The cheapie dot is holding up just fine so far, I'll replace it with something better if it fails. I would like the dot sitting lower so a milled slide would be a must buy. My other TX is still stock sights. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/39247/Taurus_TX22_jpg-1398949.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shultz: Originally Posted By Xhado: The CEO of Taurus said they were working on an optics ready tx22. I used lakeline's plate and a cheap ADE dot just to see if the TX would run with the extra weight. It does, just as reliable with the dot as without. The cheapie dot is holding up just fine so far, I'll replace it with something better if it fails. I would like the dot sitting lower so a milled slide would be a must buy. My other TX is still stock sights. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/39247/Taurus_TX22_jpg-1398949.JPG What is an ADE dot? How much did you pay for it. Glad the TX22 runs with one. Has been on my list as a strong contender for my first 22lr pistol. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 1:00:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shultz: I guess I'll end up with 3 TX22'S I used lakeline's plate and a cheap ADE dot just to see if the TX would run with the extra weight. It does, just as reliable with the dot as without. The cheapie dot is holding up just fine so far, I'll replace it with something better if it fails. I would like the dot sitting lower so a milled slide would be a must buy. My other TX is still stock sights. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/39247/Taurus_TX22_jpg-1398949.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shultz: Originally Posted By Xhado: The CEO of Taurus said they were working on an optics ready tx22. I used lakeline's plate and a cheap ADE dot just to see if the TX would run with the extra weight. It does, just as reliable with the dot as without. The cheapie dot is holding up just fine so far, I'll replace it with something better if it fails. I would like the dot sitting lower so a milled slide would be a must buy. My other TX is still stock sights. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/39247/Taurus_TX22_jpg-1398949.JPG I just got the lakeline plate today. I put a Vortex venom on it, I hope it runs as good as your set up. If the make a optics ready TX22 I will definitely be getting one |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 11:56:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is an ADE dot? How much did you pay for it. Glad the TX22 runs with one. Has been on my list as a strong contender for my first 22lr pistol. Cheap $40ish red dot from amazon when I bought, they have went up a bit. It Has the burris FF, vortex venom ect mounting pattern. I have one on a MKII using a burris FF rear sight replacing mount as well, both work fine so far. https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B071JHZXFS/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_3?smid=A2KU5BPCTRSW5I&psc=1 |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 5:43:02 PM EDT
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TX22 lakeline's plate and recoil spring assembly with vortex viper and it run's like a sewing machine with everything I tried. 15rds at 15 yards from the bench mix of CCI and Federal bulk pack
 IMG_20200516_105419 by [email protected], on Flickr IMG_20200516_120435 by [email protected], on Flickr
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Posted: 5/16/2020 6:19:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yoda_USAF: Frankly I find it hard to believe your M&P 22C cycles on standard bulk pack ammo with the dot on the slide. I’ve never found anything less than hyper velocity stuff to work. Ive got the original fullsize M&P22 pistol with a Burris dovetail mount and FF2 on it that i bought try to try out using a red dot on a pistol several years ago. Runs fine on bulk pack 22. |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 9:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: TX22 lakeline's plate and recoil spring assembly with vortex viper and it run's like a sewing machine with everything I tried. 15rds at 15 yards from the bench mix of CCI and Federal bulk pack https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49902733616_83c5c8be51_z.jpgIMG_20200516_105419 by [email protected], on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49903042917_de5cc596de_z.jpgIMG_20200516_120435 by [email protected], on Flickr Nice! Lakeline recoil assy? Didn't know they made one... little lighter spring? My TX has ran fine using the stock RSA. Looks like the viper may be a bit heavier though just looking at the size. My ADE is right at 1oz about 1.25oz with plate IIRC. |
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Posted: 5/16/2020 10:25:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shultz: @nvhunter Nice! Lakeline recoil assy? Didn't know they made one... little lighter spring? My TX has ran fine using the stock RSA. Looks like the viper may be a bit heavier though just looking at the size. My ADE is right at 1oz about 1.25oz with plate IIRC. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shultz: Originally Posted By nvhunter: TX22 lakeline's plate and recoil spring assembly with vortex viper and it run's like a sewing machine with everything I tried. 15rds at 15 yards from the bench mix of CCI and Federal bulk pack https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49902733616_83c5c8be51_z.jpgIMG_20200516_105419 by [email protected], on Flickr https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49903042917_de5cc596de_z.jpgIMG_20200516_120435 by [email protected], on Flickr Nice! Lakeline recoil assy? Didn't know they made one... little lighter spring? My TX has ran fine using the stock RSA. Looks like the viper may be a bit heavier though just looking at the size. My ADE is right at 1oz about 1.25oz with plate IIRC. I don't know if it's lighter, but it has a definitely smoother recoil impulses and feel. I got lucky with my TX22. The barrel doesn't look super smooth. but no leading and it's been very accurate. reciol assembly The Viper is listed at 2oz so it's definitely heaver. I only put 250rds down range so far with the red dot, but it's been just as reliable as it was before so far. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 12:21:52 PM EDT
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I have a Lakeline mounting plate on my TX22 waiting for my Holosun 407k. It looks a bit more low profile than the plates for larger MRDS.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 4:17:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: I have a Lakeline mounting plate on my TX22 waiting for my Holosun 407k. It looks a bit more low profile than the plates for larger MRDS. Cosmetically I don't like it, but functionally I really like it. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 4:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nvhunter: Cosmetically I don't like it, but functionally I really like it. I totally agree, plates look ugly. But for $35 the price is right. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 4:36:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: I have a Lakeline mounting plate on my TX22 waiting for my Holosun 407k. It looks a bit more low profile than the plates for larger MRDS. Wow. That is one niche manufacturer. When I saw your post, I zipped over to their website looking for some S&W stuff. H&K, Kahr, Keltec, Taurus, Walther. The only S&W parts are for the EZ 9. The only Ruger product they offer is for the Security 9. Really? They make specialty parts for the three guys who bought Security 9's? |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 5:49:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ScottS: Wow. That is one niche manufacturer. When I saw your post, I zipped over to their website looking for some S&W stuff. H&K, Kahr, Keltec, Taurus, Walther. The only S&W parts are for the EZ 9. The only Ruger product they offer is for the Security 9. Really? They make specialty parts for the three guys who bought Security 9's? I have a Security 9 I don't know the other 2 guys
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Posted: 6/15/2020 10:14:10 PM EDT
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Lakeline plate with a Romeo Zero. Only adds 0.5 ounces to the slide weight.
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Posted: 6/16/2020 10:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lakeline plate with a Romeo Zero. Only adds 0.5 ounces to the slide weight. https://i.imgur.com/oDKPfeq.jpg I like that I might need to upgrade 
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Posted: 6/24/2020 11:47:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Madd Macs can do milled Ruger uppers. I think I'm going to get a MKIV version. http://www.maddmacsprecisiontactical.com/maddmacs-xbarib.html http://www.maddmacsprecisiontactical.com/uploads/3/4/3/9/34393413/img-1322_orig.jpg This one makes the most sense. It won’t affect cycling at all. Also there is a guy making GSG 1911-22 upper that is cut for rmr sights and has a lightened slide Found it CWA... here is a photo from their website  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/24/2020 12:05:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Browning Buckmark has a (sort of) pic rail and you can get it factory pre-threaded. https://www.browning.com/content/dam/browning/product/firearms/pistols/buckmark/2017/field-target-suppressor-ready/BPT16_051527490.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.web.835.835.jpeg You can replace the top rail on any buckmark with a plate tapped for an RDS. I have a DPP on my Buckmark. |
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Posted: 6/24/2020 1:45:17 PM EDT
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 Attached FileThis is a stripplin custom for a cmore holo sight. I think he makes one for the buckmark and mRDS |
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Posted: 6/26/2020 11:56:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like that I might need to upgrade I'm really liking it so far. I've got 500 rounds or so through it now with no malfunctions at all with the red dot. Shooting 4-5 different types of ammo from federal bulk pack to minimags. Really happy with the combo. If they come out with one already cut for a romeo zero I'll get a second one. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 1:46:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The CEO of Taurus said they were working on an optics ready tx22. I want one of these but am holding out for this exact reason. |
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Posted: 6/27/2020 3:00:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want one of these but am holding out for this exact reason. I told myself the same thing but it could be a year from now and decided I didn't want to wait and see. |
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Posted: 6/28/2020 10:02:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I told myself the same thing but it could be a year from now and decided I didn't want to wait and see. True, but I'm in no hurry and don't mind waiting. |
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Posted: 9/9/2020 12:18:22 AM EDT
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Quoted: I currently have a ruger mk1 with a burris fastfire on the plate that replaces the rear sight. I would like something similar, but with the red dot mounted lower. Does a rmr milled 22 pistol exist? 
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Posted: 9/9/2020 9:47:11 AM EDT
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I ordered one of the Nelson Precision 44X slides for my Glock G44. No way would I try to mill a stock G44 polymer/steel slide for a RMR cut or even try an aluminum dovetail mount.
Not 22LR but I do have a Swampfox Kingslayer on my Kel-Tec PMR 30. It has been just fine with the extra weight on the slide shooting CCI Maxi Mags. The mount and Kingslayer together weigh 1.8 ounces, Kel-Tec recommends not exceeding 2 ounces.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 4:21:28 PM EDT
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Jagerwerks just sent me an email stating that they've received my Advantage Arms G19.4 slide for RMR milling and "Tungsten" cerakoting. I'll have a RMR waiting for that slide when it returns.
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Posted: 9/23/2020 5:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jagerwerks just sent me an email stating that they've received my Advantage Arms G19.4 slide for RMR milling and "Tungsten" cerakoting. I'll have a RMR waiting for that slide when it returns. @FunFirepower Does their price run the same as milling a regular slide? Do they make any specific ammo recommendations or is it supposed to run with most standard stuff? Currently running my AA slide with an ALG 6SM but would prefer a slide mounted optic if it worked reliably, and I have used JW extensively for a number of optic cuts so I know they do good work. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 5:22:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @FunFirepower Does their price run the same as milling a regular slide? Do they make any specific ammo recommendations or is it supposed to run with most standard stuff? Currently running my AA slide with an ALG 6SM but would prefer a slide mounted optic if it worked reliably, and I have used JW extensively for a number of optic cuts so I know they do good work. Good questions! Pricing is the same as a regular slide. There’s not any recommendations regarding ammo. The conversion slide was reliable with lube and Federal Automatch (only way I ever shot it) before the surgery, so we shall see what it’s like on its return. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 6:08:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jagerwerks just sent me an email stating that they've received my Advantage Arms G19.4 slide for RMR milling and "Tungsten" cerakoting. I'll have a RMR waiting for that slide when it returns. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 6:45:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jagerwerks just sent me an email stating that they've received my Advantage Arms G19.4 slide for RMR milling and "Tungsten" cerakoting. I'll have a RMR waiting for that slide when it returns. Sweet can’t wait to hear your report. Btw how durable is the AA kit? |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 7:30:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good questions! Pricing is the same as a regular slide. There’s not any recommendations regarding ammo. The conversion slide was reliable with lube and Federal Automatch (only way I ever shot it) before the surgery, so we shall see what it’s like on its return. Thanks for the info, good to know. I'd love to hear a follow up post after you get the slide back and run it for a bit. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 7:35:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could run that sexy BoogeyMan Customs 44X Voodoo slide on a G19.5 frame. The locking block on the 19.5 and the 44 are different. In addition there's extra frame material around the locking block on the 44 compared to the 19.5. Did they state somewhere that it would work or that someone made a locking block conversion? That's kind of my hope. Don't think I've anyone selling G44 slide internals though, but could be wrong. The Nelson Precision slide comes stripped afaik. I think they're assuming people will transfer the internals from their existing 44 slides. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 8:10:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:The locking block on the 19.5 and the 44 are different. In addition there's extra frame material around the locking block on the 44 compared to the 19.5. Did they state somewhere that it would work or that someone made a locking block conversion? That's kind of my hope. Quote HistoryQuoted:The locking block on the 19.5 and the 44 are different. In addition there's extra frame material around the locking block on the 44 compared to the 19.5. Did they state somewhere that it would work or that someone made a locking block conversion? That's kind of my hope. ETA: Rather than the OEM G44 plastic locking block, you can buy a Nelson Precision G44 aluminum locking block. Quoted:Don't think I've anyone selling G44 slide internals though, but could be wrong. The Nelson Precision slide comes stripped afaik. I think they're assuming people will transfer the internals from their existing 44 slides.
Midwest Gun Works has everything you need (including for the Nelson Precision / BoogeyMan Customs 44X .22 LR conversion) ... subject to availability. If you're interested in a Nelson Precision / BoogeyMan Customs 44X slide, I'd strongly encourage you to join the GlockTalk Glock 44X thread.
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Posted: 9/23/2020 8:15:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The locking block on the 19.5 and the 44 are different. In addition there's extra frame material around the locking block on the 44 compared to the 19.5. Did they state somewhere that it would work or that someone made a locking block conversion? That's kind of my hope. Don't think I've anyone selling G44 slide internals though, but could be wrong. The Nelson Precision slide comes stripped afaik. I think they're assuming people will transfer the internals from their existing 44 slides. As far as internal slide parts for the G44. I bought everything except the barrel and recoil spring assembly from Midwest Gun Works. I'm sure it has been discussed here on AR15 but there is also a very good thread over at glocktalk that wickedbeernut and myself along with another member where running a G44 slide on a 19.5 frame does in fact work. You must use the G44 locking block and ejector for it to work. HAHA wickedbeernut types faster than me |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 8:28:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I'm sure it has been discussed here on AR15 but there is also a very good thread over at glocktalk that wickedbeernut and myself along with another member where running. |
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Posted: 9/23/2020 11:25:17 PM EDT
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@wickedbeernut
@chumpmiester Thanks for the info guys. I think you just cost me money  As an aside, are there any plans for a gen 3 or 4 model of the slides? |
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Posted: 9/24/2020 8:27:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @wickedbeernut @chumpmiester Thanks for the info guys. I think you just cost me money As an aside, are there any plans for a gen 3 or 4 model of the slides? I seriously doubt that there will be any plans for a Gen 3 or 4 slide since the G44 is a Gen 5. I looked into trying to make a 80% frame work for the G44 slide but there is way too much work/machining that needs done to get the Polymer 80 locking block to work with the G44 slide. Finding a stripped Gen 5 G19, stripped G44 frame or buying the Vuurwapen Gen X 80% frame (when released) is the options available to us. I posted pictures of my G44 and my Polymer 80 frame next to each other on glocktalk and the Marine Gun Builder forums. |
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Posted: 9/24/2020 10:03:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As an aside, are there any plans for a gen 3 or 4 model of the slides? Given the time and effort involved in swapping out the locking block and trigger mechanism housing / ejector, I think the 44X slide + G19.5 frame is less of a .22 LR conversion and more a way of dedicating a frame to a 44X slide (while preserving your complete OEM G44). I know a lot of guys dedicate a frame to their Advantage Arms upper assembly. The problem is the high cost and lack of availability of G19.5 frames. As @chumpmiester pointed out, hopefully we'll see 80% gen 5 compact frames soon. There's a possibility an 80% gen 5 compact frame will work with the 44X slide, but more importantly ... an 80% gen 5 compact frame should drive sales of G19.5 slides. This is what will ultimately free up G19.5 frames. As it currently stands, by the time you buy the upper parts, G19.5 frame, locking block and trigger mechanism housing / ejector, you're probably better off buying another $350 G44. And this assumes you're willing to share the barrel and recoil spring assembly between the slides. If you really want to dedicate a frame to a complete 44X upper assembly, with the added cost of a barrel and recoil spring assembly, you'll definitely exceed the cost of another G44. Having said all that, there's something cool about the idea of running a G44 slide or a Nelson Precision 44X slide on a G19.5 frame. I've ordered a couple G44 locking blocks, trigger mechanism housings / ejectors, upper part kits and a spare G44 (non-threaded) barrel. For whatever reason, G44 recoil spring assemblies are a bitch to find, but I'm looking. I'll keep my eye out for a cheap G19.5 frame (or two). If I stumble up one, I'll have all the other parts I need. |
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