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Posted: 9/3/2020 4:59:58 PM EDT
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124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity.
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Posted: 9/3/2020 5:20:41 PM EDT
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I don't think it would matter enough to be significant.
If it was reliable and accurate in my pistol, I wouldn't worry about the weight. |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 7:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think it would matter enough to be significant. If it was reliable and accurate in my pistol, I wouldn't worry about the weight. Yeah, my guess is that any differences are probably pretty negligible. But then again, maybe someone has done some testing or figured something out. Kind of a long-shot, but it doesn't hurt to ask. Ya never know... |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 7:48:56 PM EDT
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I stack NATO 124 deep. It’s mostly for practice. But in the boogaloo, it would work just fine in any capacity I required of it.
You know, I stock plenty of hollow point too. But I’m not sure it actually makes that much difference. You get a 38 caliber hole that’s really long, or a 60 to 70 caliber hole for a shorter distance. They will both kill you. I keep hollow points in my pistol, but I would not feel under gunned with either. |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 7:53:03 PM EDT
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Winchester Q4318 124g Nato
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Posted: 9/3/2020 8:19:54 PM EDT
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I buy only 124gr for FMJ. Stock up on whatever is decent and available at the time at a good price (none lately).
Defensive ammo is 147gr although I do have some 124gr in the mix. |
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Posted: 9/3/2020 8:23:21 PM EDT
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147 gr flat point
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Posted: 9/3/2020 11:26:04 PM EDT
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Whatever I could find. Ammo is hard to get.
I go to shootings daily (literally daily) and 99% of them are with FMJ and there is zero difference in effectiveness between bullet weights because pretty much all of them just zip right through and over-penetrate, so at the end of the day regardless of what weight you’re using, you’re still only putting a 9mm hole through the person. That said, I would rather carry a flat point than a standard FMJ, as they tend to have more predictable deflection through auto glass. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 12:31:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity. FPNI +P if available, but I can't recall ever seeing that in ball. German MEN is good, hot NATO spec 9mm. But the others who said "it doesn't matter" are also right. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 8:35:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 147 gr flat point Some form of flat point should provide more disruption of flesh than a round nose. Outside of meeting bears, wadcutters would probably work best. If it's not going to get bigger, it might as well be making the best hole it can. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 8:58:01 AM EDT
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147, because subsonic.
I don't think there would be a significant difference is penetration or damage to the meat target. 147 would let you run a can and be a lot quieter. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:15:52 AM EDT
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Right now? Whatever you can find.
Salad days? 124gr is my preference. Why are you only looking to carry FMJ, or is it a hypothetical question? Asking out of curiosity. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:33:05 AM EDT
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If over penetration is the big issue like seem people say, wouldnt a 147gr or 156 or158gr (forget which one 9mm subs come in) sub be a better choice?
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:34:13 AM EDT
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Geco B.A.T.
Federal EFMJ |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 12:40:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whatever I could find. Ammo is hard to get. I go to shootings daily (literally daily) and 99% of them are with FMJ and there is zero difference in effectiveness between bullet weights because pretty much all of them just zip right through and over-penetrate, so at the end of the day regardless of what weight you’re using, you’re still only putting a 9mm hole through the person. That said, I would rather carry a flat point than a standard FMJ, as they tend to have more predictable deflection through auto glass. That's interesting. Was not aware of that tendency regarding glass. I can't help but wonder if that wouldn't translate to a flat point having a greater capacity for breaking through bone. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 7:30:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 147 gr flat point |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 11:59:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Winchester Q4318 124g Nato This, because I like the way it shoots in my APC9SD. |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 12:02:26 PM EDT
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115 or 124. Petter barrier penetration than the heavy loads. People tend to get behind things when the pew pew starts.
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Posted: 9/5/2020 2:55:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's interesting. Was not aware of that tendency regarding glass. I can't help but wonder if that wouldn't translate to a flat point having a greater capacity for breaking through bone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Whatever I could find. Ammo is hard to get. I go to shootings daily (literally daily) and 99% of them are with FMJ and there is zero difference in effectiveness between bullet weights because pretty much all of them just zip right through and over-penetrate, so at the end of the day regardless of what weight you’re using, you’re still only putting a 9mm hole through the person. That said, I would rather carry a flat point than a standard FMJ, as they tend to have more predictable deflection through auto glass. That's interesting. Was not aware of that tendency regarding glass. I can't help but wonder if that wouldn't translate to a flat point having a greater capacity for breaking through bone. Yes. Bone and auto glass are pretty comparable. Ive seen a couple drt shots with 9mm NATO. I wouldn't hesitate to carry it either. I do prefer 147 fmj-fp though. Flat points will disrupt more tissue going in and go straighter. |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 3:12:49 PM EDT
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something flat point these are coated, but something like these 147 blueBullets  |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 4:30:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: something flat point these are coated, but something like these 147 blueBullets https://i.imgur.com/28tIZpO.jpg Nice |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 6:12:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 147 gr flat point This. 147 is going to lose less velocity out of a short barrel. 147 will have faster followup due to lower recoil impulse. 147 should stay subsonic and thus more accurate (transsonic transition impedes accuracy - you want to stay subsonic, or above supersonic) |
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Posted: 9/6/2020 12:40:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. 147 is going to lose less velocity out of a short barrel. 147 will have faster followup due to lower recoil impulse. 147 should stay subsonic and thus more accurate (transsonic transition impedes accuracy - you want to stay subsonic, or above supersonic) I have half a dozen "little" 9mms, Kahr, SIG, Glock, etc. The only bullet weight that shoots consistently well in all of them is 147 in either a truncated cone flat point or hollowpoint (same overall shape). The round FMJ profile 147s were unkind to one gun, and all of them had trouble with some versions of 115s or 124s. Some had feed issues, some were inaccurate - and believe me, if I noticed bad accuracy out of these little guns, you KNOW it was horrendous. I have one gun whose sight - such as it is, is a grove machined down the slide. Not a target gun to be sure. |
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Posted: 9/6/2020 12:58:43 AM EDT
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124 Grain is my preferred 9mm load.
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Posted: 9/6/2020 5:24:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: 124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity. This is what I have now. But before that it was 115gr. It doesn't matter. Just make sure it goes where u want it too. *this is assuming your using a quality full powered load to begin with. |
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Posted: 9/8/2020 11:53:10 AM EDT
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Since we are talking FMJ, there will not be too much difference between them.
I would use whatever has sealed, crimped primers and has been 100% reliable in YOUR guns, regardless of 115,124, etc. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 1:04:39 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity. This is all I’ve bought for years. Peppy for sure...good for reliability and strong ejection. |
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Posted: 9/10/2020 1:12:20 AM EDT
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Assuming I could get whatever I wanted, my choice would be the Federal Guard Dog load. 105 gr expanding FMJ.
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Posted: 9/13/2020 6:50:55 PM EDT
[#29]
Winchester 124 Nato ball for the the win. Served from the old PSA salad bar.
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Posted: 9/14/2020 6:35:22 AM EDT
[#30]
My CZ's do very well with Federal 115 grain FMJ Yeah, that cheap (well, used to be cheap) stuff I could get at Walmart for about $17 per 100. Same for the AR 9MM carbine and pistol. Best groups, 100% on function.
The M&P, on the other hand, does best with the Win. 124 grain FMJ NATO ammo. Have not tried any of this in the AR 9MM guns. |
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Posted: 10/15/2020 6:05:18 PM EDT
[#31]
Federal 147 Fp is accurate in every 9mm I own including PCC.. Yes I read Jeff Cooper and Hornady. Will take FP over FMJ when I can.
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Posted: 10/15/2020 6:46:59 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity. This. |
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Posted: 11/1/2020 5:48:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Flat point also seems to deviate less when it hits objects like glass and steel.
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Posted: 11/2/2020 12:07:13 AM EDT
[#34]
147 flat tip.
Because it's sub-sonic it works great with a suppressor. Flat tip for all the previously mentioned reasons. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 11:22:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity. +1 |
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Posted: 11/21/2020 6:32:54 PM EDT
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147Gn flat point
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Posted: 11/21/2020 6:45:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 147 gr flat point |
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Posted: 11/23/2020 2:18:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/23/2020 2:55:29 AM EDT
[#39]
Federal Guard Dog, New Jersey special.
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Posted: 11/23/2020 6:15:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity. I'd go with this. IF its actually loaded to 124gr Nato Specs it will be close to +P, the Winchester Nato stuff is hot nearly +P. The German MEN branded stuff is a bit milder and the primer pocket is not crimped if you plan on saving brass to reload. I've had no issues shooting thousands of MEN 124gr Nato. I use it in USPSA matches when I don't shoot my reloads. From SGammo... " Winchester manufacture 9mm NATO ammunition part number q4318. This ammo is commercial grade ammunition that is loaded to M882 military specs with 10% higher pressure than standard 124 grain FMJ ammunition, thus it is +P pressure level (but not specifically marked +P). This ammo is excellent for sub machine gun use but will work well in any high quality 9mm Luger caliber weapon. This is new production ammo headstamped with the NATO mark, packaged 50 rounds per box, 500 rounds per case. Brass case, boxer primer, copper FMJ 124 grain." |
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Posted: 11/26/2020 2:57:29 PM EDT
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Too bad no NATO 9mm is available now...
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Posted: 12/29/2020 12:51:17 AM EDT
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I oredered 2 boxes of this from Federal a few weeks ago to test in my PPC with a DA WOLFMAN.
They worked great! 
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Posted: 12/30/2020 4:42:42 PM EDT
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Availability taken out of the equation... Winc. M1152 / Active Duty
https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Handgun/Active-Duty-/WIN9MHSCL Availability as part of the equation... try as many as you can find and use the most accurate from your barrel. GECO Swiss made 124gr has been pretty darned accurate from my handguns. |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 12:17:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad no NATO 9mm is available now... But it was @ $69 a case. Who knew we’d be where we are. It’s never been this bad. I was lucky enough to buy 4 or 5 at that price but haven’t shot any of it. I was skeptical until reading this post today, figured it was just some junk white box stuff for the price. |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 1:27:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But it was @ $69 a case. Who knew we’d be where we are. It’s never been this bad. I was lucky enough to buy 4 or 5 at that price but haven’t shot any of it. I was skeptical until reading this post today, figured it was just some junk white box stuff for the price. $69 per case!!?? Maybe the 500 round cases Winchester put out but not 1000 rounds, unless you are talking 2003. I was paying $8.99 per box delivered from PSA last year and that's about the best price I can remember. Good ammo, probably M882 or a clone and what I would choose to answer the OP. If forced to use FMJ for "duty" or carry, I would certainly want sealed (staked/crimped also) primers and decent mil-spec velocity of 1150 for 124gr. I will add that if I really had to stick with FMJ, I'd carry a 40SW. Almost all loads use a flat nosed, truncated cone (TC) profile bullet that is inho much better than the pointy typical 9mm FMJ. Gives you a little bit more/better wounding, plenty of penetration and less deflection throughg hard cover like car bodies and glass. When it comes to slow moving handgun bullets, sectional density (long and pointy) are not benefits unless AP is needed. |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 7:55:32 PM EDT
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Has anyone seen any commercially loaded ball ammunition loaded in nickel cases?
If I had to have only ball ammo I wouldn't mind having the advantages of nickel cases. |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 9:35:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity. This. |
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Posted: 1/1/2021 9:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 124gr Nato most likely. Good middle ground, decent velocity. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 12:23:25 AM EDT
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For plinking, any FMJ that your gun will cycle reliably will do the job. You will not notice a POI difference unless you shoot at distance with accuracy.
For defense against humans, whether it’s a 115 gr or a 147 gr, it will go through and through in most cases. Some bodies are thicker than others. Flat points will go straighter while round nose can deflect inside the body after hitting bone. Plus P is pretty much a waste on a body unless there is a hard barrier in front of it. Subsonic 147’s will have a harder time through hard barriers than 124’s and 115. 124’s are the middle ground. For some reason the military went to 115 gr flat points. |
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Posted: 3/15/2021 12:56:16 AM EDT
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FPNI
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