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Posted: 8/4/2020 12:49:05 PM EDT
This turned out very well. It started off life as a regular Blackhawk in .45LC, with a worn out cylinder (latch notches peened from very hard / fast bowling pin shooting, back when I was in my 20s).
Andy Horvath made the cylinder from scratch from 17-4 PH SS, oversized on diameter and length, with the chambers bored through the barrel for perfect alignment and reamed to minimum chamber size. The cylinder gap is less than .002 and it locks up like a bank vault. I'm looking forward to load development for Ohio deer hunting. I haven't settled on a bullet yet, but it will be a 250 - 300 grain hollow point, going very fast. This set-up should get me to 40,000 psi safely in .45LC. Standard Rugers can go to 32,000 PSI.   
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Posted: 8/4/2020 12:56:04 PM EDT
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Wow! That's an awesome present.
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Posted: 8/4/2020 2:16:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow! That's an awesome present. Well I gave it to myself... I decided I needed something decadent and expensive for the big five-oh. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 3:45:37 PM EDT
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My smith 44 mag couldn’t even keep up with that. That is an absolute hammer. Happy birthday!
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Posted: 8/4/2020 4:40:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My smith 44 mag couldn’t even keep up with that. That is an absolute hammer. Happy birthday! Yeah, on both ends. I might have to get one of those fancy gloves. Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 5:49:02 PM EDT
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Sweet !
Happy birthday! ETA Mrs. BadM4 says Happy Birthday too! |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:19:48 PM EDT
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Andy does really nice work.
Those recessed chambers are always a nice touch. For my big 50 I decided I needed a .50 Ordered a Magnum research custom shop BFR in 500 JRH |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 6:29:09 PM EDT
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Wowzers! That's a beautiful beast! My favorite single action caliber and platform. You took my favorites, .45 Colt and Ruger Bisley, and made it even better.
Happy birthday and well done. |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet ! Happy birthday! ETA Mrs. BadM4 says Happy Birthday too! Hey man, thanks! Tell the missus thank you too, and we need to have a beer sometime! Are you guys still living in my old neighborhood? |
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Posted: 8/4/2020 7:08:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Andy does really nice work. Those recessed chambers are always a nice touch. For my big 50 I decided I needed a .50 Ordered a Magnum research custom shop BFR in 500 JRH You can't argue with that logic. Not one bit. Have you shot it with those ridiculous 700 grain lincoln logs? I really kicked this decision around. I mean I could have just bought a "factory" gun and saved some money. Or spent a little more and gotten a Freedom Arms gun. In the end, I wanted something unique, not something off the shelf. |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 7:14:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey man, thanks! Tell the missus thank you too, and we need to have a beer sometime! Are you guys still living in my old neighborhood? We do need to have a beer or 3 , still in the same place |
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Posted: 8/5/2020 8:14:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't argue with that logic. Not one bit. Have you shot it with those ridiculous 700 grain lincoln logs? I really kicked this decision around. I mean I could have just bought a "factory" gun and saved some money. Or spent a little more and gotten a Freedom Arms gun. In the end, I wanted something unique, not something off the shelf. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Andy does really nice work. Those recessed chambers are always a nice touch. For my big 50 I decided I needed a .50 Ordered a Magnum research custom shop BFR in 500 JRH You can't argue with that logic. Not one bit. Have you shot it with those ridiculous 700 grain lincoln logs? I really kicked this decision around. I mean I could have just bought a "factory" gun and saved some money. Or spent a little more and gotten a Freedom Arms gun. In the end, I wanted something unique, not something off the shelf. Nothing wrong with doing your own thing. No 700gr slugs for me. The sweet spot for the JRH is 440gr@1350fps. To get above that weight you need to ream the brass which I have neither the tools or inclination to try. In its current form it is capable of taking down anything on the planet, with one exception, and I don't ever see myself hunting an elephant. 
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Posted: 8/5/2020 1:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing wrong with doing your own thing. No 700gr slugs for me. The sweet spot for the JRH is 440gr@1350fps. To get above that weight you need to ream the brass which I have neither the tools or inclination to try. In its current form it is capable of taking down anything on the planet, with one exception, and I don't ever see myself hunting an elephant. https://i.imgur.com/zlqymnIl.jpg?1 That's beautiful. I watch that silly guy on Demolition Ranch shoot his BFR with a very short barrel. It looks painful. I just ordered some 250 grain Speer Deep Curls. For Ohio deer, you don't really need the heavier, hardcast bullets, so I might as well send a hollow point screaming. You can get them to 1450 fps at standard Blackhawk pressures, so I should be able to get them to close to 1600 out of this gun, with H110. I also ordered a bunch of coated 255 grain SWC's to work up some "heavy plinking" loads at 1100 fps. I have 8 pounds each of Unique and 2400 to play with. |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 3:22:39 AM EDT
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You shot pins with a Single Action?
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Posted: 8/6/2020 3:53:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Andy does really nice work. Those recessed chambers are always a nice touch. For my big 50 I decided I needed a .50 Ordered a Magnum research custom shop BFR in 500 JRH Nice! My next revolver will be a 500 JRH. I love my 480 Ruger SBH, but brass and bullets are scarce. I could buy 500 S&W brass and ,500 bullets anywhere. |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 8:46:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice! My next revolver will be a 500 JRH. I love my 480 Ruger SBH, but brass and bullets are scarce. I could buy 500 S&W brass and ,500 bullets anywhere. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Andy does really nice work. Those recessed chambers are always a nice touch. For my big 50 I decided I needed a .50 Ordered a Magnum research custom shop BFR in 500 JRH Nice! My next revolver will be a 500 JRH. I love my 480 Ruger SBH, but brass and bullets are scarce. I could buy 500 S&W brass and ,500 bullets anywhere. Order a bunch of brass from Starline and then bullets from either Matts Bullets or Beartooth and you should have both sides covered. Even in the current panic, less mainstream calibers like 480R, 475L, 41mag, etc. always have components available. You are not likely to ever find much selection in a brick and mortar store but online components are plentiful. When I bought my 480 SRH I bought 500 pieces of brass from Starline. I still have most of that still around. 480R is relatively easy on brass and as long as you don't go crazy belling the case mouth it should last at least 8 loadings. Now I would never try to dissuade someone from buying a new gun, and a 500 JRH is a hoot to shoot, but 480R reloading components are not even remotely in short supply. |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 3:09:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You shot pins with a Single Action? Back in the day, I shot pins with anything that would knock them down. I was the Bowling Pin Program Director at my club, so I did all kinds of silly stuff. I even had "Shotgun Slug / Lever Gun" division at double the range of the pistol classes. |
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Posted: 8/6/2020 11:52:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in the day, I shot pins with anything that would knock them down. I was the Bowling Pin Program Director at my club, so I did all kinds of silly stuff. I even had "Shotgun Slug / Lever Gun" division at double the range of the pistol classes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You shot pins with a Single Action? Back in the day, I shot pins with anything that would knock them down. I was the Bowling Pin Program Director at my club, so I did all kinds of silly stuff. I even had "Shotgun Slug / Lever Gun" division at double the range of the pistol classes.  |
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Posted: 8/7/2020 5:08:50 PM EDT
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Look at the gaping maw on this bad boy...
 
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Posted: 8/10/2020 12:04:42 PM EDT
[#19]
Loaded up some ammo to test with the 250 grain Deepcurl. 26.0, 26.5 and 27.0 grains of H-110. 26.5 is the max for a standard Blackhawk. I'm here to tell you, 27 grains of H-110 is a LOT of powder.
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Posted: 8/10/2020 1:37:16 PM EDT
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Thats pretty neat. Id have to try that bullet against barriers and water to see how tough it is. Maybe the nosler partitions if they dont?
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Posted: 8/10/2020 4:49:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats pretty neat. Id have to try that bullet against barriers and water to see how tough it is. Maybe the nosler partitions if they dont? The next option is Swift A-Frame 260 grain. It's very much like the Nosler Partition and very tough. |
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Posted: 8/16/2020 3:24:08 PM EDT
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I'm up to 1450 fps with 27.0 grains of H-110 with the 250 grain DeepCurls. Cases are falling out of the chambers, primers looking normal. I'm going to load a few at 27.5 and 28.0 grains to see what happens. The Hodgdon data for a standard Blackhawk tops out at 26.5 for a 250 grain XTP. Hodgdon told me I can use the same data for the Speer bullet.
I'm also going to load up some 300 grain XTP's that I have laying around, to see how they do. The plinking / practice load with 255 Keith bullets over 18.0 grains of 2400 gets about 1175 fps, and is relatively pleasant, compared to the roar of the H-110 loads. I'll be using this to get used to the gun, plinking at bowling pins from various positions. One thing that I "always knew" but is becoming readily apparent, is that the way you hold the gun on these blasters has a substantial effect on point of impact. I'm trying slightly different variations on grip, etc., especially relative to how I'm likely to get a shot up in a tree stand. My best case scenario would be with my forearms or upper arms resting on my treestand "gun rest". |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 5:18:25 PM EDT
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This is as far as I'm going with the 250 grain DeepCurls, with 28.0 grains of H110 (1.5 grains over Hodgdons "standard" Blackhawk data). Cases were still falling out of the chambers, but primers were showing some signs of pressure. This one has STOUT recoil. I have about 75 more bullets left, so I'll load them up. Then move on to the 265 grain Swift A-Frames.
BTW, the Digital Link cell phone app that goes with CED chronographs is awesome.  |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 2:22:20 AM EDT
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Good to know some load data for those Deep Curls, I've got 500 of them sitting on the shelf I bought to load in my 16" Rossi 92. From Paco Kelly's testing the 92's are safe up to 50K PSI and beyond if you're crazy enough but I think 40K should be more than plenty.
Those H110 loads should be cookin' out of a 16" barrel. Probably stomp the shooter worse than what you're shooting at out of a sub 5lb rifle with a steel buttplate though... |
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Posted: 9/12/2020 12:54:58 AM EDT
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Wonderful I've killed a lot of deer with a 44 mag 240gr Speer deep curl. 24gr H110/win296 It works well. Andy did my 686 dash 4 cut the 6" to 5" and fitted a 7 shot cylinder.  
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Posted: 9/12/2020 8:11:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wonderful I've killed a lot of deer with a 44 mag 240gr Speer deep curl. 24gr H110/win296 It works well. Andy did my 686 dash 4 cut the 6" to 5" and fitted a 7 shot cylinder. https://i.imgur.com/sxpoT1D.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PhozMsw.jpg Isn't Andy a gem? |
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Posted: 9/19/2020 3:25:44 PM EDT
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Looks great. One word of caution with those 250gr Gold Dot (aka Deep Curl) bullets, they're not that tough of a bullet. Generally with Speer, the deeper the hollow cavity, the less velocity they will handle. I've shot my fair share of 250gr Deep Curls but they're really only going to hold together at about 1100 fps max. At the velocities you're getting, I'd suggest something more stout, a 250gr XTP at minimum or as you mentioned, A-frames.
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Posted: 9/21/2020 8:15:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks great. One word of caution with those 250gr Gold Dot (aka Deep Curl) bullets, they're not that tough of a bullet. Generally with Speer, the deeper the hollow cavity, the less velocity they will handle. I've shot my fair share of 250gr Deep Curls but they're really only going to hold together at about 1100 fps max. At the velocities you're getting, I'd suggest something more stout, a 250gr XTP at minimum or as you mentioned, A-frames. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. These look like they would go off like a grenade, as long as it's a broadside shot and I don't have to break the shoulder. We'll see how these A-Frames work. I also have 300 grain XTPs. |
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Posted: 10/1/2020 8:15:17 PM EDT
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Happy 5 and 0 Hoss! Funny, my nickname was Hoss for a long time! Dude, those numbers really are "Roided-UP" in the realm of Awesome! I both Woods Carry, (carry my M24 more for the "Woods" now) and shoot steel silhouettes out to 100 yards with my 3" barreled M29-3 and my wife's 3" M629-5. I shoot 300gr Prvi Partizan's and 305 grain Keith's style from Underwood's rated at 1350 FPS and I thought they thumped hard... Geez your new Ruger tops any .44Magnum I've ever shot... probably more thump than my .44Maggie Ruger M44 Carbine can push even. More pics of your new Rig please!
Obligatory Pic with my M29-3 and shooting gloves below and M44 Ruger Carbine "Brush-Gun"...  300 grain Hornady LeverLution is what this one loves the most Accuracy wise. The aforementioned Underwood 305's in semi-nuclear pop really hard and are capable of 2.5MOA consistently at 100 yards. I'm afraid to try Underwood's 340 grain +P+ loads in the Ruger Carbine. 
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Posted: 10/1/2020 10:00:10 PM EDT
[#30]
Can I get the contact info for me Horvath please?
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Posted: 10/1/2020 10:43:18 PM EDT
[#31]
A little nicer than my recent 53rd birthday present to myself, but I'm not complaining
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Posted: 10/1/2020 11:26:53 PM EDT
[#32]
OP that revolver turned out really nice.
I'm curious to hear how the A frames work out. I've been mildly interested in the 280 gr. A frame for .44 mag, but find little real world results. It seems like it could be a very good bullet for hi vel 45 Colt for sure. I'll get some of them when I've used up what I have. I'm wondering how XTP's function at high end 45 velocities??? On large deer & elk size game. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 10:05:11 AM EDT
[#33]
Beautiful gun.
The 240gr XTP is designed for higher velocities if it proves too much for the 250. There is also a magnum and non-magnum version of the 300gr XTP. It's a subtle product line differentiation ("XTP" vs "XTP Mag"). The regular 300gr XTP has two cannelure grooves, and the XTP Mag has one. |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 11:01:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I get the contact info for me Horvath please? Andy Horvath Diagonal Road Gun Shop 14131 Diagonal Rd. LaGrange, OH 44050 (440) 458-4369 |
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Posted: 10/2/2020 1:56:15 PM EDT
[#35]
I want/need one of those for elk.
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Posted: 10/12/2020 9:30:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Andy Horvath Diagonal Road Gun Shop 14131 Diagonal Rd. LaGrange, OH 44050 (440) 458-4369 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can I get the contact info for me Horvath please? Andy Horvath Diagonal Road Gun Shop 14131 Diagonal Rd. LaGrange, OH 44050 (440) 458-4369  Thank you my friend |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 8:10:54 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Happy 5 and 0 Hoss! Funny, my nickname was Hoss for a long time! Dude, those numbers really are "Roided-UP" in the realm of Awesome! I both Woods Carry, (carry my M24 more for the "Woods" now) and shoot steel silhouettes out to 100 yards with my 3" barreled M29-3 and my wife's 3" M629-5. I shoot 300gr Prvi Partizan's and 305 grain Keith's style from Underwood's rated at 1350 FPS and I thought they thumped hard... Geez your new Ruger tops any .44Magnum I've ever shot... probably more thump than my .44Maggie Ruger M44 Carbine can push even. More pics of your new Rig please! Obligatory Pic with my M29-3 and shooting gloves below and M44 Ruger Carbine "Brush-Gun"... https://i.imgur.com/YDgosZDl.jpg 300 grain Hornady LeverLution is what this one loves the most Accuracy wise. The aforementioned Underwood 305's in semi-nuclear pop really hard and are capable of 2.5MOA consistently at 100 yards. I'm afraid to try Underwood's 340 grain +P+ loads in the Ruger Carbine. https://i.imgur.com/U5ci083l.jpg Thanks man! |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 8:12:16 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I get the contact info for me Horvath please? Andy Horvath (440) 458-4369 He doesn't have a computer or email. |
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Posted: 11/19/2020 8:16:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP that revolver turned out really nice. I'm curious to hear how the A frames work out. I've been mildly interested in the 280 gr. A frame for .44 mag, but find little real world results. It seems like it could be a very good bullet for hi vel 45 Colt for sure. I'll get some of them when I've used up what I have. I'm wondering how XTP's function at high end 45 velocities??? On large deer & elk size game. Just chronographed the 265 A-Frames, over 27.0 grains of H110. I think I found my load. Remember folks, this is only safe in a custom, oversize cylinder. Fired cases are still falling out of the chambers. Primers still look good. I'd say for deer, stick with the 240's, and you can get a little more velocity. Unless you want one load for both deer and elk, then go with the 280's. Once they expand back to the partition, they just keep driving like a solid. According to the pictures on their website, they expand roughly the same between 1050 and 1500 fps. The hollowpoint really is gaping. 
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Posted: 11/19/2020 10:39:26 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A little nicer than my recent 53rd birthday present to myself, but I'm not complaining https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/002001906057/media/1678914184938093/medium/1601137491/enhance Nice K-Frame. I put many thousands of rounds through a Model 19 in IDPA. Pretty much wore it out. |
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Posted: 12/5/2020 12:11:27 PM EDT
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And this project comes to a close for the year. The gun and bullet (265 grain A-Frame over 27.0 grains of H110, at 1450 fps) did everything it was supposed to. This little buck came in right at sundown. I think it saw me pulling my gun out of my coat (it was snowing hard, and I didn't want the gun covered with snow and freezing up), so it kept eyeballing me. Finally, it put it's head down and came in, quartering at about 25 yards. It wasn't a perfect shot, as it was getting dark quick, and it didn't move into a position where I could use the crossbar rest of my tree stand.
The bullet broke the left shoulder, wrecked one lung, clipped the other one and took out the liver. It skimmed across the heart muscle, but didn't perforate it, so it went 100 - 150 yards, before going down and staying down. I didn't find the bullet, but there was no exit hole. It was probably somewhere in the guts, but when you're gutting a deer in the dark, when it's snowing, it's tough to do things like that well. All in all, not a horrible shot for 25 yards, iron sights, 50 year old eyes, no rest, at sundown, but it could have been slightly better. Without hitting the heart, it was able to go in the WORST direction, making it's recovery and drag home pretty crappy. It was probably a good idea not to use the 250 grain Deep Curl hollow point. No telling what would have happened to that bullet after hitting the shoulder.  Next, I think I'm going to try some big and heavy hardcast hollowpoints. I'm liking this 325 grain gas-checked, hollow point. It seems like, even if it doesn't expand, it would give a wicked wound channel with that big meplat. If it expands violently, and the front part peels away, there is still 250 grains or so of lead, to keep on penetrating. I think I could hit 1350 fps without getting excessive pressures. |
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Posted: 12/5/2020 12:30:11 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And this project comes to a close for the year. The gun and bullet (265 grain A-Frame over 27.0 grains of H110, at 1450 fps) did everything it was supposed to. This little buck came in right at sundown. I think it saw me pulling my gun out of my coat (it was snowing hard, and I didn't want the gun covered with snow and freezing up), so it kept eyeballing me. Finally, it put it's head down and came in, quartering at about 25 yards. It wasn't a perfect shot, as it was getting dark quick, and it didn't move into a position where I could use the crossbar rest of my tree stand. The bullet broke the left shoulder, wrecked one lung, clipped the other one and took out the liver. It skimmed across the heart muscle, but didn't perforate it, so it went 100 - 150 yards, before going down and staying down. I didn't find the bullet, but there was no exit hole. It was probably somewhere in the guts, but when you're gutting a deer in the dark, when it's snowing, it's tough to do things like that well. All in all, not a horrible shot for 25 yards, iron sights, 50 year old eyes, no rest, at sundown, but it could have been slightly better. Without hitting the heart, it was able to go in the WORST direction, making it's recovery and drag home pretty crappy. It was probably a good idea not to use the 250 grain Deep Curl hollow point. No telling what would have happened to that bullet after hitting the shoulder.https://i.ibb.co/tJcwqZK/7-F4-EEF8-B-D6-CD-4049-9-E48-F2-EC2-D891-AB3.jpg Next, I think I'm going to try some big and heavy hardcast hollowpoints. I'm liking this 325 grain gas-checked, hollow point. It seems like, even if it doesn't expand, it would give a wicked wound channel with that big meplat. If it expands violently, and the front part peels away, there is still 250 grains or so of lead, to keep on penetrating. I think I could hit 1350 fps without getting excessive pressures. Nice
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Posted: 12/5/2020 12:35:48 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice Thanks man. It was a little guy, especially compared to last year's monster 12 point, but I was limiting myself to 30 yard shots. Did you hook up on anything? |
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Posted: 12/5/2020 12:48:50 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks man. It was a little guy, especially compared to last year's monster 12 point, but I was limiting myself to 30 yard shots. Did you hook up on anything? I've killed 2 does with my crossbow , and a button buck yesterday. . 80 yards bedded down with the 450 bushmaster .  My Daughter killed a 6pt & a doe last week in Wv , I never fired a shot 
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Posted: 12/5/2020 12:56:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've killed 2 does with my crossbow , and a button buck yesterday. . 80 yards bedded down with the 450 bushmaster . My Daughter killed a 6pt & a doe last week in Wv , I never fired a shot That's awesome! My dad and brother are going to come out tomorrow. My dad isn't able to get up into the tower blind this year, so I'm probably going to just put him in a chair in the bed of my truck and park him out back by the pond. |
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Posted: 12/18/2020 10:57:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice K-Frame. I put many thousands of rounds through a Model 19 in IDPA. Pretty much wore it out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: A little nicer than my recent 53rd birthday present to myself, but I'm not complaining https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/002001906057/media/1678914184938093/medium/1601137491/enhance Nice K-Frame. I put many thousands of rounds through a Model 19 in IDPA. Pretty much wore it out. Thanks. It's a 65-3 that i found in a local pawn shop. I couldn't say no to it at $325 OTD. |
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Posted: 1/2/2021 8:12:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. It's a 65-3 that i found in a local pawn shop. I couldn't say no to it at $325 OTD. If it's nice and tight, that's a great deal! |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 12:45:59 AM EDT
[#48]
Great thread with a fine ending. That’s a nice revolver, OP. 17-4 PH is great stuff.
Is that a Cerakote finish, or bead blast? |
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Posted: 1/6/2021 11:09:28 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Great thread with a fine ending. That’s a nice revolver, OP. 17-4 PH is great stuff. Is that a Cerakote finish, or bead blast? Thanks! Bead blast. |
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Posted: 1/7/2021 2:24:59 PM EDT
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I would love to see that A-frame but I get it.
I'm thinking of trying them in .429's. |
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