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Posted: 4/26/2023 2:52:19 AM EDT
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Cheap 10mm is going to be 40 s&w velocity with 40 s&w performance. True 10mm performance is going to cost 1.50 a round or more. Now .45 doesn't really eclipse 9mm/40s&w/bulk 10mm in performance (that pained me to write as a lover of .45 AARP) and true 10mm ammo is going to blow factory spec 9/40/45 out of the water. Going with the same specialty loaders you have to go with to get true 10mm performance opens you up to going with specialty .45 loads though which can compare favorably to 10mm (particularly .45 super loads).
So what should you choose? Whichever you want. 10mm will be marginally cheaper to plink with (using weaker ammo) and gives you a capacity advantage, .45 gives you a bigger melpat for crushing tissue and a heavier bullet for increased SD. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 3:05:07 AM EDT
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10 mm. For Hunting / large animal defense.
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Posted: 4/26/2023 3:36:11 AM EDT
[#3]
Glock 10mm, 1911.45
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Posted: 4/26/2023 4:22:36 AM EDT
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If you want something “more powerful” than 9mm for hunting or as backup protection from animals, you want a 10mm. But if you really want it for hunting, as someone else already said: stick with a rifle cartridge in a rifle.
Otherwise stick with 9mm…and if you want to do it right, if possible, get/build a 9mm PCC that accepts the same mags as the pistol you already have. Example: I have a handful of 9mm Glocks (even though I am a 10mm fan), an Aero Precision EPC9 and a B&T APC9K which both accept Glock mags/drums…one less thing to worry about. The practical “power” difference between the three cartridges you mentioned is IMO not worth the practicality of having a common cartridge and if possible, mags between pistol and PCC. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 11:56:34 AM EDT
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Ok. How is 40/45 not better than 9. But 10 is better than everything.
If 9 is best for defensive use. Why is it not better for hunting and such. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 12:00:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. How is 40/45 not better than 9. But 10 is better than everything. If 9 is best for defensive use. Why is it not better for hunting and such. Because 2 legged critters and 4 legged critters have very different stopping requirements, my man. Also look at energies from 9/40/45. They are all pretty close. Full power 10mm is significantly more powerful than any of those three. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 12:12:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10 mm. For Hunting / large animal defense. I agree with this. I carry my SIG P220-10 when I’m in the mountains where black bear roam regularly. I’m not opposed to using it on 2-legged animals. But I load full power 10mm hand loads and do not want to be accused of going out and looking for a fight with my 10mm thermonuclear hypersonic missile launcher pistol. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 1:27:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cheap 10mm is going to be 40 s&w velocity with 40 s&w performance. True 10mm performance is going to cost 1.50 a round or more. Now .45 doesn't really eclipse 9mm/40s&w/bulk 10mm in performance (that pained me to write as a lover of .45 AARP) and true 10mm ammo is going to blow factory spec 9/40/45 out of the water. Going with the same specialty loaders you have to go with to get true 10mm performance opens you up to going with specialty .45 loads though which can compare favorably to 10mm (particularly .45 super loads). So what should you choose? Whichever you want. 10mm will be marginally cheaper to plink with (using weaker ammo) and gives you a capacity advantage, .45 gives you a bigger melpat for crushing tissue and a heavier bullet for increased SD. This guy pretty much nailed. The "affordable" 10mm ammo you mentioned is loaded very light and has the performance of .40S&W instead of actual "original" 10mm. If you're not familiar with the 10mm story it's best to do a deep dive before buying so you know what you're getting into. So no, it's not an even comparison. |
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Posted: 4/26/2023 1:29:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/26/2023 7:16:29 PM EDT
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I'd bypass 10mm & go .40.
What Glock? Barrel length will make a difference. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 10:45:08 AM EDT
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I think smart money would be on 10mm.
If you had .45s already I'd just use .45 super as it's almost as powerful as 10mm. I've killed a few deer with heavy 9mm and there's really no comparison with heavy .45s. |
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Posted: 4/27/2023 2:35:49 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the replies. I was not at all thinking about 45 super also being an option if I went the 45 route.
I may actually go 45 because I want to suppress it (it’s naturally subsonic) and if I need more power, I can just get some 45 Super. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 2:48:13 PM EDT
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I'm not sure why this concept isn't brought about more often.
9mm - .40 S&W - .45 ACP - 10mm They all perform similarly with modern expanding projectiles, which wasn't the case 30-40 years ago. As you mentioned, if you plan to suppress, .45 ACP is the way to go. Most loads are subsonic. There is some mention of muzzle energy, but that's not a great indicator of terminal performance. 11.5" 5.56x45 creates roughly 900 ft/lbs of muzzle energy, with velocities well north of 2,000 fps. Compare this to 9mm NATO or at the other end, Buffalo Bore 10mm. Humans aren't animals, and there is a balance you need to look for when it comes to capacity and your ability to rapidly engage a target. Just my thoughts on it.  9mm vs 45 ACP, WE END THE DEBATE. The Human Torso Test. |
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Posted: 10/8/2023 7:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you had .45s already I'd just use .45 super as it's almost as powerful as 10mm. This. I have a S&W 4506 that I can setup for .45 super in about 2 minutes. |
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Posted: 10/9/2023 5:55:37 PM EDT
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I had this very debate amongst myselves some time ago and decided to go with a CMMG AR platform that takes Glock mags. 8.5" barrel to make 45 stay subsonic. Its close to going super but doesn't quite get there. The radially delayed blow back does seem to work better than standard blow back based on my experience.
It runs old fashion 45 all day, quietly, with a suppressor. 45 stayed reasonably priced longer than all other calibers during the pandemic but its not dropping back to reasonable prices very quickly. The CMMG is rated for 45 Super and 450SMC, which is marginally more powerful (enjoy that rabbit hole), for the hunting / defense usage. I still like the 450 SMC. It does hit hard. You can feel it. I thought this set up gave me as many options as I could realistically get without giving up too much. This has been a great gun for me. I have other guns but always come back to this one. Feels good, hits things with more perceived force than 9mm (subjective, yes, I know) and is short and easy to move around with. |
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Posted: 10/10/2023 9:46:01 PM EDT
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10mm Glock 40 longslide ……
All. Day. Long. |
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Posted: 10/11/2023 3:47:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hey I was looking at buying a PCC and a Glock to go with it in either 45 or 10mm. I want something more powerful than my carry gun, which is a 9mm. I tried researching some threads from a few years ago and people said 45 used to be cheaper than 10mm, but I just looked today and 10mm is actually a few cents cheaper per round. Has the price on 10mm come down that much in the last few years? Cost and availability of ammo is a big consideration for me. That being said, should I go with 10mm or 45? Are there other reasons to consider one over the other? Just echoing what other have said, but if you want "real" 10mm and don't reload, it's gonna cost you $2/round(Buffalo Boar pricing). Since it's a PCC, you're gonna want to shoot it a lot- so I vote .45 acp. Shooting bulk .45 acp is more fun than shooting bulk .40 S&W (which is what bulk 10mm is). |
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Posted: 12/2/2023 3:28:20 PM EDT
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10mm all day.
In addition to higher ultimate performance, it also gains more velocity in longer barrels than 45 does. You can easily find good S&B 10mm 180 FMJs or JHPs (540+ ft-lbs, flatter trajectory) for the same price or less than S&B .45 230 FMJs (~360 ft-lbs). Price is no longer a big factor as before except for the most hyped JHPs. |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 11:17:18 AM EDT
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 We Test How Lethal 10MM AUTO Is |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 11:40:29 AM EDT
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Quote History Angry Moose Fatal shoot |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 12:31:50 PM EDT
[#21]
.45 ACP is what you seek
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Posted: 12/3/2023 1:58:49 PM EDT
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What are you going to use it for?
Do you want a 1911 or Glock? Glock 41 is underrated. Lighter weight than a Glock 20 or 21. |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 3:23:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryHe did the needful .... The Big 10 for the Moose win. |
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Posted: 12/3/2023 5:57:26 PM EDT
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With a pistol/carbine combo, I'd definitely go with the one that developed a larger velocity gain when in a carbine barrel, and that's gonna be 10mm from everything I've seen.
Then just make sure my bullet choice will work at both speeds (pistol and faster carbine). |
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Posted: 12/5/2023 11:25:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He did the needful .... The Big 10 for the Moose win. Quote HistoryQuoted: He did the needful .... The Big 10 for the Moose win. How do we know that was a 10mm? Videos are deceiving, but that looked like a small frame Glock (9mm or .40 S&W). |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 12:04:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do we know that was a 10mm? Videos are deceiving, but that looked like a small frame Glock (9mm or .40 S&W). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He did the needful .... The Big 10 for the Moose win. How do we know that was a 10mm? Videos are deceiving, but that looked like a small frame Glock (9mm or .40 S&W). G29, is what it looks like. The important question is what load did he bang that moose with? |
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Posted: 12/6/2023 4:29:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: G29, is what it looks like. The important question is what load did he bang that moose with? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He did the needful .... The Big 10 for the Moose win. How do we know that was a 10mm? Videos are deceiving, but that looked like a small frame Glock (9mm or .40 S&W). G29, is what it looks like. The important question is what load did he bang that moose with? Pretty light recoil for a G29. I suppose he could have been using one of the majority 10mm loads that travel at .40 S&W velocity. 
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Posted: 12/8/2023 4:36:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do we know that was a 10mm? Videos are deceiving, but that looked like a small frame Glock (9mm or .40 S&W). I recall the details around this incident saying it was a .40S&W back when it happened. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 7:10:33 AM EDT
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While true 45 and 10mm are quite a distance apart there are some 45 loadings from doubletap and underwood that get mighty close
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Posted: 12/8/2023 7:24:01 AM EDT
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10mm.
No question about it. .45 is an old fat low pressure round. It's a great round, but if you want performance 200 gr of high pressure ammo from a large case capacity = power. As to cheap 10mm ammo being weak - who cares? That's the plinking practice ammo. Save the brass, and reload cheaper than. 45 as well. For suppressed, they make heavy 10mm bullets too - you can make hard hitting 10mm subsonic if you want. 10mm holds more, more powerful (higher pressure and more gunpowder), allows for a thinner higher capacity pistol, and apparently now cheaper. This one is easy. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 7:32:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10mm Glock 40 longslide …… All. Day. Long. The 40 is a solution in search of a problem. Unless you're hunting with it, stick to the 20. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 7:34:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He did the needful .... The Big 10 for the Moose win. Quote HistoryQuoted: He did the needful .... The Big 10 for the Moose win. Naw, that POS egged the moose on and essentially forced it to attack. All he had to do was sit on the side of the trail and the moose would have gone on by. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 10:09:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Naw, that POS egged the moose on and essentially forced it to attack. All he had to do was sit on the side of the trail and the moose would have gone on by. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He did the needful .... The Big 10 for the Moose win. Naw, that POS egged the moose on and essentially forced it to attack. All he had to do was sit on the side of the trail and the moose would have gone on by. The real controversy - after the vid hit YT - was whether the shooter and his snowmobiling buddy went back and field-dressed the moose and packed out the meat, … or did they just leave it on the side of the trail to rot?  |
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