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Posted: 4/1/2023 11:34:32 AM EDT
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Double Tap makes a 230-grain hardcast load. Biggest chunk of lead is best. Runs flawlessly in my G20.
Click Here Of your two choices, I'd go with the hardcast. You don't want expansion. You want penetration. |
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Posted: 4/1/2023 12:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Double Tap makes a 230-grain hardcast load. Biggest chunk of lead is best. Runs flawlessly in my G20. Click Here Of your two choices, I'd go with the hardcast. You don't want expansion. You want penetration. what he said |
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Posted: 4/1/2023 12:08:17 PM EDT
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The expanding load. Black bears are small and an expanding load does more damage if it can reach the vitals.
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Posted: 4/1/2023 9:50:48 PM EDT
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I'd also take the hardcast of the two options. My preferred ammo is Underwood 200 gr hardcast but any quality hardcast in 10mm works well for black bear.
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying you're taking both a 19.5 and 20.5 with you? Feels a bit unnecessary especially since you'll be hiking a lot and would be better off leaving the 19.5 behind since you're already carrying a 20.5. |
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Posted: 4/1/2023 10:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd also take the hardcast of the two options. My preferred ammo is Underwood 200 gr hardcast but any quality hardcast in 10mm works well for black bear. Also correct me if I'm wrong, but are you saying you're taking both a 19.5 and 20.5 with you? Feels a bit unnecessary especially since you'll be hiking a lot and would be better off leaving the 19.5 behind since you're already carrying a 20.5. No, just that those are the two guns I carry daily, one or the other. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 10:42:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Double Tap makes a 230-grain hardcast load. Biggest chunk of lead is best. Runs flawlessly in my G20. Click Here Of your two choices, I'd go with the hardcast. You don't want expansion. You want penetration. You're the only person whose Glock runs well with 220gr+ hard cast load. Every time I've met someone who says that can't get through a magazine shooting one hand only without a malfunction. Slow fire, 2 hands they might be fine. Stick with 200gr for Glocks ime. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 10:50:45 AM EDT
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Here's some actual data https://www.ar15.com/forums/handguns/10mm-ammo-what-s-true-10mm-compared-to-40-SandW/4-208816/&page=1&anc=2435948#i2435767
Out of the stuff I tested I'd probably carry that Federal trophy bonded. But you pays your money and takes your chances. |
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Posted: 4/11/2023 7:27:43 PM EDT
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Silly newb, MAGNUM protection for Bear, NOT wannabe magnum performance! This shit should've been learned in grade school OP!??
For the LAST TIME, 44mag for Bear protection, GOT IT! You can thank me later Silly Goose???????? |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 4:37:49 AM EDT
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Honestly, I wouldn't even want the 10mm. There are hardcast loads in 9mm that can easily kill black bears. Black bears and brown bears are nowhere near the same, yet IIRC, there was a guy in Alaska that killed a brown bear with hardcast 9mm.
ETA: Phil Shoemaker is the aforementioned guy. https://www.wideopenspaces.com/alaska-man-kills-charging-brown-bear-with-a-9mm-pistol/ Shot placement trumps just about everything, as always... |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 7:28:44 PM EDT
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Phil Shoemaker prefers the 10mm though.
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Posted: 4/12/2023 9:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Phil Shoemaker prefers the 10mm though. You have to remember, this is a guy that has to deal with brown bears, not black bears. The point is that if he could take out a brown bear with 9mm hardcast, you can certainly do the same to a black bear. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 10:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have to remember, this is a guy that has to deal with brown bears, not black bears. The point is that if he could take out a brown bear with 9mm hardcast, you can certainly do the same to a black bear. And Shoemaker will tell you that you want expanding bullets if your target is light enough to get away with it. Expanding bullets perform better if they still achieve sufficient penetration. |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 10:25:10 PM EDT
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Heavy load from Harbor Freight.
https://www.harborfreight.com/10mm-metric-essential-socket-set-10-piece-58957.html  |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 10:56:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Double Tap makes a 230-grain hardcast load. Biggest chunk of lead is best. Runs flawlessly in my G20. Click Here Of your two choices, I'd go with the hardcast. You don't want expansion. You want penetration. BOOM!!! This |
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Posted: 4/12/2023 11:26:46 PM EDT
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I don't think I would feel undergunned if I carried anything when worried about a black bear. I hunted for years where the black bear roamed. I only encountered one on a very dark morning. I couldn't really see it, but the growling sounds were sure to let me know I was in a standoff. I announced that I would move the other way and he did the same. I think I could have taken him.
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Posted: 4/13/2023 12:44:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Phil Shoemaker prefers the 10mm though. He typically carries a .44 mag mountain gun |
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Posted: 4/13/2023 12:56:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/13/2023 1:14:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He typically carries a .44 mag mountain gun Prefers it over 9mm. His real love is for the 416 Ruger or his 404. That 404 is beyond gorgeous. |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 8:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BOOM!!! This Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Double Tap makes a 230-grain hardcast load. Biggest chunk of lead is best. Runs flawlessly in my G20. Of your two choices, I'd go with the hardcast. You don't want expansion. You want penetration. BOOM!!! This Another 10mm HC option: Grizzly Cartridges 200grn & 220grn 10mm HC loads look really potent. Here’s the link: https://grizzlycartridge.com/?s=10mm |
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Posted: 4/17/2023 9:01:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The expanding load. Black bears are small and an expanding load does more damage if it can reach the vitals. I would agree with the ammo choices offered here. Heavy bullet is best. You need penetration. JHPs are not going to get to the vitals if you hit a shoulder or other large bone. I prefer the 10mm to the 44 Mag. While I also agree that black bears are typically smaller than brown bears, we are seeing some massive blackies in East Tennessee and Western NC. Check this one out: Massive NC Black Bear |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 5:08:27 PM EDT
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Underwood Hardcast 200 gr at 1250 FPS
Or Underwood 220 gr Hardcast at 1200 Take your pic. Either should be plenty for black bears from what I’ve read. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 4:00:11 PM EDT
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If you're hiking for 3 days and the only worry is Black Bear, I'd carry the lightest carry gun you own. Of the two I'd take the G19. Me personally, I'd carry my Shield Plus.
If you're set on carrying the G20, whatever your daily carry ammo is will work fine. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 12:46:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're hiking for 3 days and the only worry is Black Bear, I'd carry the lightest carry gun you own. Of the two I'd take the G19. Me personally, I'd carry my Shield Plus. If you're set on carrying the G20, whatever your daily carry ammo is will work fine. +1 I don’t believe black bears wear body armor. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 11:55:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're hiking for 3 days and the only worry is Black Bear, I'd carry the lightest carry gun you own. Of the two I'd take the G19. Me personally, I'd carry my Shield Plus. If you're set on carrying the G20, whatever your daily carry ammo is will work fine. I'm more worried about moose and dogs than black bears. |
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Posted: 4/20/2023 2:57:06 PM EDT
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I recall being told that moose kill more people than bears even in Alaska. My dad lost a good friend that way.
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Posted: 4/20/2023 4:11:30 PM EDT
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Out here in grizzly country we all carry 10mm with Underwood or Buffalo Bore hard-cast.
Carry, but I wouldn’t let black bear worry you. I had 9 face to face encounters last year. |
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Posted: 4/23/2023 11:53:46 PM EDT
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The Glock 20 is very popular here in Alaska as a trail gun.
We do modifications to the Glock 20 like add a KKM barrel and 22 pound recoil spring Since Bears are our biggest threat we prefer Underwood 200gr or 220gr Hardcast Ammo ! My G20 is my most carried sidearm really like that high capacity magazine compared to my 6 shot revolver . Yes aggressive moose can be dangerous also ! |
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Posted: 4/24/2023 12:49:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Out here in grizzly country we all carry 10mm with Underwood or Buffalo Bore hard-cast. Carry, but I wouldn’t let black bear worry you. I had 9 face to face encounters last year. These threads are so silly. "I carry a Glock 20 for bear protection." "You rock, bruh!! Your ass is covered!!" BUT "I carry an 1873 Winchester in 38 WCF for bear protection." "Are you crazy?!?!? You're gonna get KILLED!!" |
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Posted: 4/30/2023 11:43:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're the only person whose Glock runs well with 220gr+ hard cast load. Every time I've met someone who says that can't get through a magazine shooting one hand only without a malfunction. Slow fire, 2 hands they might be fine. Stick with 200gr for Glocks ime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Double Tap makes a 230-grain hardcast load. Biggest chunk of lead is best. Runs flawlessly in my G20. Click Here Of your two choices, I'd go with the hardcast. You don't want expansion. You want penetration. You're the only person whose Glock runs well with 220gr+ hard cast load. Every time I've met someone who says that can't get through a magazine shooting one hand only without a malfunction. Slow fire, 2 hands they might be fine. Stick with 200gr for Glocks ime. Had a 20 gen 4 (recently sold it) that I put at the very least 400 rds of 220 underwood through it with 0 malfunctions. The jump in recoil is much higher, so it could be grip issues with the people that youve seen. I also could have just gotten lucky. |
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Posted: 4/30/2023 11:47:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Underwood Hardcast 200 gr at 1250 FPS Or Underwood 220 gr Hardcast at 1200 Take your pic. Either should be plenty for black bears from what I’ve read. Stick with the 200. I have had bad luck feeding with 220s. I doubt a 200 will have nay problem penetrating a blackie. |
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Posted: 4/30/2023 11:50:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a 20 gen 4 (recently sold it) that I put at the very least 400 rds of 220 underwood through it with 0 malfunctions. The jump in recoil is much higher, so it could be grip issues with the people that youve seen. I also could have just gotten lucky. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Double Tap makes a 230-grain hardcast load. Biggest chunk of lead is best. Runs flawlessly in my G20. Click Here Of your two choices, I'd go with the hardcast. You don't want expansion. You want penetration. You're the only person whose Glock runs well with 220gr+ hard cast load. Every time I've met someone who says that can't get through a magazine shooting one hand only without a malfunction. Slow fire, 2 hands they might be fine. Stick with 200gr for Glocks ime. Had a 20 gen 4 (recently sold it) that I put at the very least 400 rds of 220 underwood through it with 0 malfunctions. The jump in recoil is much higher, so it could be grip issues with the people that youve seen. I also could have just gotten lucky. Gen3 20SF with an aftermarket guide rod/spring. I've never had problems with the DT 230gr. I'm slowly working my way over to Underwood 200gr though. |
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Posted: 4/30/2023 12:04:15 PM EDT
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Here I am in grizz land with my g19.. hopefully I don’t make the news for a bear encounter..
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Posted: 5/5/2023 1:14:58 AM EDT
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Black bear are nothing special and your regular carry handgun with a quality load will suffice.
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Posted: 5/5/2023 1:38:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Had a 20 gen 4 (recently sold it) that I put at the very least 400 rds of 220 underwood through it with 0 malfunctions. The jump in recoil is much higher, so it could be grip issues with the people that youve seen. I also could have just gotten lucky. Mine had such extreme slide velocity with 220gr underwood/buffalobore that the inertia when it hit the end of travel would prematurely activate the slide-stop. I installed a threaded barrel and comp to reduce slide velocity and it shoots them beautifully now. 100% reliable and smooth. Annoying I had to spend $$ to make a new pistol run properly, but whatever. It’s great now. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 2:58:42 AM EDT
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How about a good revolver in 44 mag , 45 long Colt heavy rounds , 454 , 460 or 500 SW. 12 gauge with slugs would be great. Maybe not hike where bears could be???? You make your own choice good luck.
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Posted: 5/5/2023 9:29:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe not hike where bears could be???? You make your own choice good luck. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/5ddc336bfd9db244c913783d-460.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe not hike where bears could be???? You make your own choice good luck. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/5ddc336bfd9db244c913783d-460.gif Originally Posted By Miamuto Musashi: Do not sleep under a roof. Carry no money or food. Go alone to places frightening to the common brand of men. You will encounter other apex predators in all of the most interesting and exciting places. 
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Posted: 5/7/2023 3:40:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine had such extreme slide velocity with 220gr underwood/buffalobore that the inertia when it hit the end of travel would prematurely activate the slide-stop. . I had a G20-3 & G20-4 they both did this. Makes me feel better I suspected but never new for sure if my grip was slipping and my thumbs were hitting. After making sure my thumbs were out of the way and locked down still had it happen time to time. I never considered a comp, I sold the guns and looked at other 10mms. |
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:15:48 PM EDT
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You seem to have your mind made up but if I were you I'd just keep the gold dot load that I was already zeroed for and knew worked in my gun.
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Posted: 5/7/2023 5:46:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Out here in grizzly country we all carry 10mm with Underwood or Buffalo Bore hard-cast. Carry, but I wouldn’t let black bear worry you. I had 9 face to face encounters last year. Where is “grizzly country”? |
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Posted: 6/28/2023 12:45:03 AM EDT
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Doubletap 200 grain hardcast or 200 grain controlled expansion HP.
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Posted: 6/28/2023 12:56:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is “grizzly country”? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Out here in grizzly country we all carry 10mm with Underwood or Buffalo Bore hard-cast. Carry, but I wouldn’t let black bear worry you. I had 9 face to face encounters last year. Where is “grizzly country”? 200 miles east of "Flavor Country" |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 9:15:14 PM EDT
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240grns of 10mm coated WFNGC bear hurt:
https://www.bengalbullets.com/shop/p/10-401-200-grain-wfngc-bb2m6 Just add AA #9, and you’re good ‘cuz. |
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Posted: 6/30/2023 2:02:12 PM EDT
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Best overall woods carry setup is a good 10 mm semi auto with Underwood 200 grain flat nose black cherry hard cast. This combo can take care of any thing you run into . There is no problem shooting the 200 grain flat nose black cherry Underwood in the stock Glock barrel.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:29:03 PM EDT
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Since I triggered your last thread getting nuked - here's your likely best answer: @The_Syndicate
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