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Posted: 9/25/2018 4:32:35 PM EDT
[#1]
no if you want to cast your own handgun bullets stick with 45-70 and an Encore pistol
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Posted: 9/25/2018 4:39:55 PM EDT
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no if you want to cast your own handgun bullets stick with 45-70 and an Encore pistol |
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Posted: 9/25/2018 5:01:45 PM EDT
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The R just uses a shorter bullet. I've never seen one in the wild, so I can't be of any more help.
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Posted: 9/26/2018 12:18:55 AM EDT
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I was just getting ready to start a similar thread.
So, the original conversion slide for Glocks was discontinued and Armscor/RIA told me they were redesigning things. The redesigned conversion for the G17 and G19 appear to be just the 22TCM9R barrel, guide rod, and recoil spring. Lone Wolf, and a bunch of other places are starting to show stock of the new conversion barrels. All you need to add are your standard 9MM magazines. There is only one review on youtube so far with the new version glock kit and that guy claims the G23 slide works better and requires no fitting. I'll have to see what type of slide works best when I get my kit. It's a cool round with some unique potential that is obviously not for everyone. It looks to absolutely make great use of 223/556 brass if you are into reloading. Hopefully we will start to see more information and reviews become available as more people find out about the new conversion barrels. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 12:25:00 AM EDT
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Honestly if you want a HV pistol round is just find a FiveSeven. It’s more expensive but isn’t created by a 3rd party trying to shoehorn a round into an existing slide and frame. Purpose designed and all. Not sure I’d trust Armscorp’s conversion for anything more than range fun. If that’s the intent then disregard.
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Posted: 9/26/2018 9:25:04 AM EDT
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I had a five seven FN pistol about 6 years ago. Wish I still had it. I am big into reloading and read alot about it and it sounds like the five seven pistol can be hard to reload for with the coated brass, etc...
I am specifically interested in this caliber, actually more interested in the longer TCM, but the shorter TCM9R works in glocks. I also enjoy the thrill of the chase, it's half of the fun working out bugs and getting things to work perfect. I found 2 places with the barrel/recoil assy parts in stock. Around $145. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 9:46:08 AM EDT
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I don't really feel like dropping the money on a Caspian mag to see if it fits in a Glock magwell, but if it did that would allow you to use the full length rounds. Could also do a .38 Super or 9x23 conversion without having to go to a G20.
I know the Caspians are actually a hair thinner side to side, but I'm not sure about front to back and the radius. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 10:11:07 AM EDT
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The problem with the TCM9R is you can only use 1 projectile that I'm aware of - which I can no longer find for sale.
To meet to OAL length of 9x19, you are forced to use very short projectiles that only Armscor manufactures. Whereas 5.7x28 can fire any .224 projectile between 28-55gr. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 10:23:25 AM EDT
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I get it.
I can spend $150 and shoot .22 TCM9R in a gun I already own. If I lose interest in 2 weeks, I have only spent $150. If I go this route, I may look into modifying an existing mold, to cast and PC a shorter profile. 22 cal bullet. I like the 5.7x28...that isn't the concern. I am also waiting for my 9mm endo mags, and with any luck...they will be able to fit a longer bullet in them. Buy a 22 TCM AR pistol barrel and have a fun AR project. Dip my toes in the water with the glock setup. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 10:54:13 AM EDT
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I have a .22 TCM takeoff bbl from presumably a 9x19mm conversion of their carbine.
One concern I would have about casting would be leading @ those velocities. Swaging might be the answer. IDK if .22 TCM is gonna be too hot for blowback - the answer may be in CMMG's radially delayed blowback system, or just straight DI, perhaps using a 5.45x39mm bolt. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 10:59:41 AM EDT
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I am having no leading with my powder coated .223 cast bullets in my AR at around 2500 FPS, so I think that would be fine. The PC helps immensely.
If I spent the money for a CMMG build, I would just buy their new 5.7x28 that they just started offering. But, I like to see the options and ideas. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 11:00:40 AM EDT
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Why the different bolt for the TCM? The brass can be made from a .223/5.56 case.
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Posted: 9/26/2018 11:19:38 AM EDT
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I have a .22 TCM takeoff bbl from presumably a 9x19mm conversion of their carbine. One concern I would have about casting would be leading @ those velocities. Swaging might be the answer. IDK if .22 TCM is gonna be too hot for blowback - the answer may be in CMMG's radially delayed blowback system, or just straight DI, perhaps using a 5.45x39mm bolt. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 11:32:52 AM EDT
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Why the different bolt for the TCM? The brass can be made from a .223/5.56 case. |
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Posted: 9/26/2018 1:08:16 PM EDT
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I had a five seven FN pistol about 6 years ago. Wish I still had it. I am big into reloading and read alot about it and it sounds like the five seven pistol can be hard to reload for with the coated brass, etc... I am specifically interested in this caliber, actually more interested in the longer TCM, but the shorter TCM9R works in glocks. I also enjoy the thrill of the chase, it's half of the fun working out bugs and getting things to work perfect. I found 2 places with the barrel/recoil assy parts in stock. Around $145. |
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Posted: 9/27/2018 12:07:36 PM EDT
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Just a word of advice if you get a conversion kit. The recoil spring is strong....very strong. It comes with a pin to hold it in place. Install the guide rod first with the pin installed as best as you can and then pull the pin out. Holy hell it is a pain to reinstall the recoil spring.
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Posted: 10/6/2018 8:55:15 PM EDT
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Back to thinking about this.
Does anyone have a .22TCM 9R projectile that they could measure the OAL (of just the actual bullet)? Maybe the overall lenght and then the distance of the cylindrical part where the ojive(?) or taper/curve starts toward the tip. Does that make sense? I may have found a mold!! |
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Posted: 10/6/2018 10:42:24 PM EDT
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Please keep us updated on the mold if you find dimensions.
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Posted: 10/6/2018 11:33:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2018 11:38:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/7/2018 2:59:25 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3591/Screenshot_20181006-194503_Chrome-696455.JPG From Arsenal Molds... |
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Posted: 10/7/2018 3:42:02 PM EDT
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That appears to be almost perfect for a 9R mold. I'm still waiting on some factory stuff to mic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3591/Screenshot_20181006-194503_Chrome-696455.JPG From Arsenal Molds... I may have to bite the bullet and order the barrel/spring/rod conversion. Too many neat things that I think I need 
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Posted: 10/7/2018 3:44:27 PM EDT
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They need to make a 17L conversion.
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Posted: 10/7/2018 4:02:47 PM EDT
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They need to make a 17L conversion. |
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Posted: 10/20/2018 3:10:21 PM EDT
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Well, I finally took the first step....I ordered 100 rounds of .22TCM9R ammo.
Can't decide if I want to order the 19 or 17 barrel. I am leaning towards the 17, because I may want to build a compact polymer80 frame with a 17 length slide. Yes, they now have a new frame for that. |
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Posted: 10/23/2018 3:59:39 PM EDT
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Ordered the .22 TCM9R conversion kit from Lone Wolf for my non-glock 19.
Ammo and barrel kit on the way. I will keep posting here...hopefully someone still has interest. |
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Posted: 10/23/2018 4:05:08 PM EDT
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It's a very intriguing round. If we could get it up over 2100 fps out of a Glock 26 and run it out of an AR or SUB-2000 it would have a clear advantage over 5.7x28mm.
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Posted: 10/23/2018 5:11:45 PM EDT
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From preliminary research it appears that the Caspian mags will fit in a Glock magwell with some slight mods. Now if someone made one that wasn't $120.
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Posted: 10/23/2018 7:21:15 PM EDT
[#29]
Looks like EAA Witness mags might work at a much lower price. I just ordered one to test out.
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Posted: 10/23/2018 7:41:47 PM EDT
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So is your plan to modify these mags to fit and run .22 TCM in the glock?
Can we assume the .22 TCM and the .22 TCM9R chambers are exactly the same? They would be as far as I understand. I like the way you think 
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Posted: 10/23/2018 7:53:43 PM EDT
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So is your plan to modify these mags to fit and run .22 TCM in the glock? Can we assume the .22 TCM and the .22 TCM9R chambers are exactly the same? They would be as far as I understand. I like the way you think Also want to do a .38 Super in a small frame Glock. I'd like to do 10mm as well, but I'm not sure the Glock .40s are up for that. It'd be a stupid simple conversion if these mags work out though. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:02:34 AM EDT
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With the larger Poly 80 frames coming out soon for 10mm/45 ACP sized calibers I just wonder if a standard 22 TCM cartridge could be adapted.
40 S&W Glock mags will work with 9mm and a conversion barrel in a 23 most of the time. 1.260 ~ OAL for 10mm 1.265 ~ OAL for Standard 22 TCM That's close from a quick search. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:09:09 AM EDT
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With the larger Poly 80 frames coming out soon for 10mm/45 ACP sized calibers I just wonder if a standard 22 TCM cartridge could be adapted. 40 S&W Glock mags will work with 9mm and a conversion barrel in a 23 most of the time. 1.260 ~ OAL for 10mm 1.265 ~ OAL for Standard 22 TCM That's close from a quick search. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 9:21:24 AM EDT
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With the larger Poly 80 frames coming out soon for 10mm/45 ACP sized calibers I just wonder if a standard 22 TCM cartridge could be adapted. 40 S&W Glock mags will work with 9mm and a conversion barrel in a 23 most of the time. 1.260 ~ OAL for 10mm 1.265 ~ OAL for Standard 22 TCM That's close from a quick search. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 11:27:27 AM EDT
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I would love a small and a large option, the problem is nobody (that I am aware of) is selling any barrels other then for the glock 19 and 17. And the top halves for 1911s.
Funny thing is that I haven't seen any advertising for these barrels...ever.......minutes ago I got am email from Lonewolf that spotlights these barrels. Yes, I do subscribe to their email ads. The email says they come with the little recoil guide rod ring that lets you use them in a gen 4 too. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:50:38 PM EDT
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The 19 and 17 barrels will fit in the 23 and 22 and seem to function fine from what I’m hearing and a video so far fwiw.
Mine fits perfectly in a 19 and has a little play in a 23 obviously. Haven’t been able to test yet. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 2:56:42 PM EDT
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The 19 and 17 barrels will fit in the 23 and 22 and seem to function fine from what I'm hearing and a video so far fwiw. Mine fits perfectly in a 19 and has a little play in a 23 obviously. Haven't been able to test yet. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:01:05 PM EDT
[#38]
10mm is same diameter as 40 S&W. 10mm is roughly the same OAL as 22 TCM.
Speculating Glock 10mm mags should work with standard 22 TCM. There might be a possibility of a host for full size 22 TCM for folks that like to build these things. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 4:56:01 PM EDT
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10mm is same diameter as 40 S&W. 10mm is roughly the same OAL as 22 TCM. Speculating Glock 10mm mags should work with standard 22 TCM. There might be a possibility of a host for full size 22 TCM for folks that like to build these things. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 5:04:48 PM EDT
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I'm going to guess that you have casting experience? I ask because 22 can have a steep learning curve for casting. If the arf reloading forum doesn't help, castboolits.com would be a good place to start, and if someone is casting for the TCM/TCM-R, they're probably over there with loads and data. If you already know these things, please disregard the below.
If you're not casting, I'd recommend that you stick with jacketed bullets until you have the other tech issues down. Cast boolits can be a bane if you don't have every other variable locked down. For example, COAL for cast may be radically different, as is seating depth, primer selection, powder, etc. As far as platforms, I would venture that Lone Wolf probably has their act together on the kits and magazines got Glocks. I've got the RIA 9mm/22TCM combo, it's fun but nothing that I'd want to reload for in TCM HTH |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 5:18:27 PM EDT
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Yes, I cast 12 gauge slugs (both 7/8 oz. Lee drive slugs amd round balls) #4 buck shot, 200 grain and 230 grain for .300 blackout, 124 TC, 124 RN and 95 TC for 9mm and 55 grain flat points for .223.
I haven't been casting for many years, but have cast thousands of rounds in the last 5 years. I also powder coat all my cast bullets. Cast with straight wheel weight alloy except for the 12 guage slugs. |
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Posted: 10/24/2018 5:25:52 PM EDT
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There might be a possibility of a host for full size 22 TCM for folks that like to build these things. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 8:59:09 AM EDT
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Yes, I cast 12 gauge slugs (both 7/8 oz. Lee drive slugs amd round balls) #4 buck shot, 200 grain and 230 grain for .300 blackout, 124 TC, 124 RN and 95 TC for 9mm and 55 grain flat points for .223. I haven't been casting for many years, but have cast thousands of rounds in the last 5 years. I also powder coat all my cast bullets. Cast with straight wheel weight alloy except for the 12 guage slugs. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 9:45:36 AM EDT
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I missed out on the powder coated 55 grain above. Good luck with your project. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, I cast 12 gauge slugs (both 7/8 oz. Lee drive slugs amd round balls) #4 buck shot, 200 grain and 230 grain for .300 blackout, 124 TC, 124 RN and 95 TC for 9mm and 55 grain flat points for .223. I haven't been casting for many years, but have cast thousands of rounds in the last 5 years. I also powder coat all my cast bullets. Cast with straight wheel weight alloy except for the 12 guage slugs. On a related note, tracking shows I should get my barrel and ammo today! |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 1:34:18 PM EDT
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USPS arrived already, my barrel is in hand...UPS usually arrives late afternoon......meaning my ammo will be here later.
Due to the exterior profile of the barrel it will not fit properly in a glock 26...incase anyone was wondering.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 2:09:13 PM EDT
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I iz now a sad panda. Could it be made to fit a 26? Turn down the forward bell, add a bushing in the correct location?
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Posted: 10/25/2018 2:11:46 PM EDT
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I iz now a sad panda. Could it be made to fit a 26? Turn down the forward bell, add a bushing in the correct location? |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 2:32:45 PM EDT
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Awesome build. Looks great.
If Armscor would let some other manufacturers produce ammo it might catch on. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 3:17:01 PM EDT
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Awesome build. Looks great. If Armscor would let some other manufacturers produce ammo it might catch on. I would love to see more barrel options for more variety as well. |
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Posted: 10/25/2018 6:08:45 PM EDT
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Got my ammo. Too late to shoot today, will pop a few informal rounds tomorrow, simply to verify function.
Nickle plated cases. Not sure how I feel on that.  Attached File Attached File |
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