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Posted: 12/17/2018 7:42:34 PM EDT
I've been back and forth with replacing the carb on my IROC with a FI system.
The car has been running rich since I had the engine built. The engine builder went thru the carb and it still runs rich at idle. I have no history on the carb so I decided to replace it with a quickfuel carb but damn..the easy start up and throttle response of fuel injection is more appealing then the nostalgia of having a carb. Anyone have any experience with the various brands available? |
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there was a thread a few weeks back on it.
but your costs are going to be a lot higher than carb. expect 1200 to 2k depending on a few things. FAST EZ efi, FI Tech Holley Sniper are the 3 off the shelf ones people are using today, with a nod to the fi tech or sniper. depending on how tech you are, megasquirt is cheaper, but requires a lot more hands on knowledge on your part. any of the 3 will work, depending on sales etc.. some will be cheaper than others but that is about the range including fuel system upgrades you will need. |
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I've been reading up on the FITech.
A new carb is going to cost me $500+ and I will still have a finicky, cold engine stumbling, idling rich car. I would rather spend a bit more and have faster cold starts and better throttle response. Fuel mileage isn't a concern. My car has a return line to the tank already but the shape of the tank and fuel gauge / pick up location means a tank mounted fuel pump is out of the question so it will be a frame mounted one. |
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do a surge tank instead.
fi tech fuel commander or something is a bit eh, from what I understand. It is a little more complex having 2 fuel pumps, but it was annoying to have the car lay down when I put my foot in it and had less than half a tank. there are some good inexpensive ones that include a pump inside. you can even then use a low pressure pump to fill it. I choose to use 2 high pressure pumps, so if one dies, I can quickly bypass it and limp it home with the one pump. |
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do a surge tank instead. fi tech fuel commander or something is a bit eh, from what I understand. It is a little more complex having 2 fuel pumps, but it was annoying to have the car lay down when I put my foot in it and had less than half a tank. there are some good inexpensive ones that include a pump inside. you can even then use a low pressure pump to fill it. I choose to use 2 high pressure pumps, so if one dies, I can quickly bypass it and limp it home with the one pump. View Quote the idea of having a potential Molotov cocktail under the hood doesn't really appeal to me. I'll have to do some research as the 86 IROC's came either carbed or fuelie so the fuelie tank might be baffled. |
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https://www.affordable-fuel-injection.com/
This is where I got a system for my Jeep crawler. The fact that it's almost all GM oem parts makes repair way easy. Much to read and learn. _ |
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Local mechanic/hotrodder has had bad luck with setting up the fitech and tuning it. He switched to a Holley Sniper EFI system and had no issues.
Here is another thread discussing various aftermarket FI systems. |
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well that is a choice to mount it under hood, but I mounted mine in back with the other pump.
I actually mounted both pumps just above the rear axle. the bolts holding it come up behind the back seat. |
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well that is a choice to mount it under hood, but I mounted mine in back with the other pump. I actually mounted both pumps just above the rear axle. the bolts holding it come up behind the back seat. View Quote Thanks for the info folks..the car is hibernating for the winter so I have time to research.. |
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Go pull a harness from a TBI small block van and take an hour to strip it and convert it to a standalone harness with only the stuff you need left. Easy to do and you can do a lot with a modded gm TBI.
One of my K5s is running a system like that on the original 350. BBC throttle body, sbc injectors, self modded harness repinned to use the 7427 PCM instead of the 7747 ecm, and running a 6.0 MAF instead of speed density. I datalog, burn chips, etc for it at home and have $400 tops into the entire swap. Driving from Colorado Springs to Phoenix gave me a 19mpg avg on a 73 k5 with a th350 and full time 4wd ETA: go register on the gearhead efi forums... |
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I'm looking for the easiest cleanest swap. My headers already have an O2 sensor bung so fuel delivery will be the biggest job.
I have no plans for any great increases in horse power and if I keep my foot out of it I get good mileage. 2:73 rear axle ratio and a 5 speed.. |
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GM made them with throttle body injection early on I believe. You should be able to get a fuel tank and pump that will drop right in (lol those cars are a BITCH to get the tank out), run new lines and harness to get it going. I would at least send them a message or call them to get their opinion. www.howellefi.com
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GM made them with throttle body injection early on I believe. You should be able to get a fuel tank and pump that will drop right in (lol those cars are a BITCH to get the tank out), run new lines and harness to get it going. I would at least send them a message or call them to get their opinion. www.howellefi.com View Quote I can get the tank, pump and sending unit from rock auto for a decent price but ya..I'm going to see how big of a job dropping the tank will be..if memory serves me, it's right above the rear axle. |
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I've been reading up on the FITech. A new carb is going to cost me $500+ and I will still have a finicky, cold engine stumbling, idling rich car. I would rather spend a bit more and have faster cold starts and better throttle response. Fuel mileage isn't a concern. My car has a return line to the tank already but the shape of the tank and fuel gauge / pick up location means a tank mounted fuel pump is out of the question so it will be a frame mounted one. View Quote |
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I used the early version of EZ EFI in my '66 Mustang. Haven't driven it enough to opine. But I did drop about $500 in fuel lines and filters after purchasing the unit, and another $500 on the tank and FP that goes into it.
My son has worked with the newer EZ system on a Factory 5 roadster and really likes it. Right now he's working on a '92 SS454 they are installing FI Tech system on. He's hoping to get it running by Christmas. |
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I want to do the swap on my 80 Vette. I’m tentatively planning on $2K after it’s all said and done, hopefully it’ll be more along the lines of $1500. But first, body and paint.
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I am building my own EFI system around a speeduino ECM for my turbo Volkswagen
It’s going to returnless with an s10 filter regulator and an airtex E2000 fuel pump I’m going to be well under a K buying lots of Volkswagen specific parts. Something like a small block where I can get a junkyard EFI intake would be a breeze. If it were me I’d find an old TPI intake and rails. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=711409 |
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Are you wanting to keep your intake? View Quote The reason I'm going aftermarket is everything is included, enclosed in the carb body.. I don't want to get into a spaghetti monster wiring harness, trying to find an ecu, finding a place to mount the ecu,etc,etc. I want plug and play. |
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Lol, oem gm tbi os installed on a duel plane intake. Ot works perfectly fine.
However, when i did my build i uses a single plane air gap intake with a tbi to four bolt carb adapter and a phenolic two hole spacer. The tbi was dehorned, triple injector gaskets for spacers “cut the pos peice of aluminum that limits fuel line hight off”, the injector stack was mirror polished, the tbi bore has a nice 220 or so grit finish. There was no serious wall fuel wetting. Obviously this was the BBC TBI. It worked FANTASTIC, extreme velocity through the tbi into the single plane intake. At idle the fuel cone was hitting the bores just inside the baseplate, under wot, is was sucked straight down through the bores with zero wall contact. Everything was gasket matched and left with a crispy 80 grit finish. My AFRs where rock solid! Fantastic throttle response with a little cam and 18hg at idle. I was using a holley system. As one guy above posted, grab a oem fuel sytem and wire harness, strip it down to exactly what you need. As far as fuel pump, dont be a dweeb, cut a access door in the hump behind the back seats, you want to drop the tank atleast once to get it fully up to speed and plumbed corrctly, but after that, any work can be done by a proper access door under the carpet. and for all hings holy! Wrap that tank in a sound deading material! Dear god i hated the fucking fuel pump whine! Given your system, buy or build a “gm hotwire kit”. If you build use 10g wire and a proper 70 amp relay, not that chicken shit from a autoparts store, Use quality power wire meant for a high end audio system for you power and ground. You will thank me for a solid steady fuel pressure and not burnning out relays. Solder and dbl heat shrink that shit, crimp fittings are for lame asses. And never use those pos yellow, blue red connectors, if you can get a real copper connector! Fuel return are simple as fuck to setup, as one dude said, put the regulator at the tank, so no need to run another fuel line to the front. Only bitch is running a vacumme source back to the regulator if you nd to ramp up fuel pressure with rpm. Be smart, toss in a wally 255 at minimum, if yu got a pair and are going tp go big later, stuff in a 450. Or say fuck all of this bull shit, yank and sell that legacy engine, toss in a LS 6.0 with a LSA blower retro kit and be done with it forever. Legacy gm v8 is sissy shit and needs to just fucking die. |
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"Or say fuck all of this bull shit, yank and sell that legacy engine, toss in a LS 6.0 with a LSA blower retro kit and be done with it forever.
Legacy gm v8 is sissy shit and needs to just fucking die. " . . Listen to this man, for he speaketh TRVTH |
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This thread is of interest to me; my wife’s toy is an M1009 with a carb gas 350.
I’ve driven carbureted vehicles of all kinds for my entire life and just have a feel for how finicky they are, but starting that beast tests her patience. I guess my one question for you who have considered this is, where do you draw the line at converting to TBI/FI versus just getting a different (TBI/FI) engine? In terms of money and time invested. My wife and I aren’t very handy people and an engine swap far exceeds our knowledge, space, and tool arsenal, so labor would be a factor. On one hand, I’d like my wife to be more confident at how well the vehicle works so she can feel comfortable driving it more. As it is now she’s afraid to drive it without me or outside of town for fear it may not want to start. On the other hand, it’s considered an ongoing project vehicle/toy and it may be tough to justify the expense of a fuel system conversion or new engine. |
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This thread is of interest to me; my wife’s toy is an M1009 with a carb gas 350. I’ve driven carbureted vehicles of all kinds for my entire life and just have a feel for how finicky they are, but starting that beast tests her patience. I guess my one question for you who have considered this is, where do you draw the line at converting to TBI/FI versus just getting a different (TBI/FI) engine? In terms of money and time invested. My wife and I aren’t very handy people and an engine swap far exceeds our knowledge, space, and tool arsenal, so labor would be a factor. On one hand, I’d like my wife to be more confident at how well the vehicle works so she can feel comfortable driving it more. As it is now she’s afraid to drive it without me or outside of town for fear it may not want to start. On the other hand, it’s considered an ongoing project vehicle/toy and it may be tough to justify the expense of a fuel system conversion or new engine. View Quote |
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If you switch the whole motor you still have the cost of the fuel injection added on top of the new motor. While I am not familiar with these new fuel injection units nobody I know ever regrets going fuel injection. If I had the money I would swap my bronco over tomorrow without a hesitation. View Quote |
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That's why you buy the entire engine as a drop out and get the injection with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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If you switch the whole motor you still have the cost of the fuel injection added on top of the new motor. While I am not familiar with these new fuel injection units nobody I know ever regrets going fuel injection. If I had the money I would swap my bronco over tomorrow without a hesitation. I’m going through the same thinking with my bronco. |
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there will be no cutting of holes in the floor of the car..
if I do it, it will be an after market plug and play unit with the fuel pump in the tank (unless dong that turns into a nightmare). |
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Lol factory TBI uses a dual plane intake View Quote To the guys here honestly curious the self learning bolt on tb fi will almost surely be the least expensive and best bang for the buck mod you have done in a long time. Is it the perfect efi? No. Its far simpler than a homebuilt efi from donor parts or megasquirt and cheaper than any engine swap. You will see improvement in every aspect of driving your car vs a carb and by now there is enough support on the web that you should be able to avoid any headaches. Dont overthink the details or worry about which one makes 10 more hp. |
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Quoted: Whats your point? To the guys here honestly curious the self learning bolt on tb fi will almost surely be the least expensive and best bang for the buck mod you have done in a long time. Is it the perfect efi? No. Its far simpler than a homebuilt efi from donor parts or megasquirt and cheaper than any engine swap. You will see improvement in every aspect of driving your car vs a carb and by now there is enough support on the web that you should be able to avoid any headaches. Dont overthink the details or worry about which one makes 10 more hp. View Quote I'm not looking for more horse power, I'm looking for good cold starts and better throttle response. |
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The fuel tank will be a pain in the ass, those are a pain in the ass for anyone pulling them down. I want to say it's about 4 hours labor by the book. There are suspension parts that have to come out. It's been years since I have pulled one of those apart. Plus any rust from it being a northern car.
Do you have a lift to do it on? |
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there will be no cutting of holes in the floor of the car.. if I do it, it will be an after market plug and play unit with the fuel pump in the tank (unless dong that turns into a nightmare). View Quote If so make life easier on yourself. Cut that access hole |
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Are you gonna keep the car till you die? If so make life easier on yourself. Cut that access hole View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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there will be no cutting of holes in the floor of the car.. if I do it, it will be an after market plug and play unit with the fuel pump in the tank (unless dong that turns into a nightmare). If so make life easier on yourself. Cut that access hole Others, well not so much |
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Holley is king. Put a wide band in your car if you really care about it running rich. I had a third o2 sensor bung welded in my 4th gen when I had my custom exhaust built just for that. I'm going to have it redone in 3.5" before long. If it feels lazy and you have a manual with 2.73's might wanna start there.
Friend was considering putting one of these FI kits on his mild 355 S10 (aluminum 210cc heads, cam in the 240's at .5XX", single plane). He sold that setup for an iron block LS motor that'll more than likely have a carb on it but better spark control because coils. |
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Unless you're going dirt cheap, I would go multiport.
I converted my sending unit to AN fittings and ran braided line down to my Corvette style filter. I'm also using a 340 pump in my tank. I dropped my tank twice then the third time I cut a door. I made it nice and clean with a aluminum panel that bolts down. I wish I had done it the first time. I have a very good template for cutting the panel that my buddy sent me. Worked like a champ. |
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I have ran all nylon OEM style quick connect fuel lines on my Volkswagen and I must say they have dramatically cut down the fitting count and potential leak points down over the same system using AN
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