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Tried to take a break from ARFcom, lasted only a few days.

Extremists are the problem... extremists on both sides.

Now we get an extreme Left Federal government that will lead to even more extreme Right people...

They are gonna burn this whole place down and take the majority middle out with them.

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There were several people who responded with "But there was an Antifa guy that started it!!!"

Even IF that was the case, little kids know that "If your buddy jumped off the bridge, would you follow him?" isn't a valid excuse. I can't even wrap may head around that grown adults are using that excuse. "Hey bro, let's storm the Capitol and burn it down". WOULD YOU? Does that sounds reasonable? That's not even taking into consideration that all the other people who have been arrested all have MAGA/QAnon background.

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Also: using the left's tactics and expecting them to work is idiotic at best.

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The "vast majority" of Republicans are not QAnon acolytes and were not part of that "event."

The rabid supporters of the rhetoric that led to it frequently ridicule and bash the "vast majority" of Republicans.

This is a movement that is literally attempting to undermine the Republican party and replace it with leadership with a wholly different ideology, one rooted in a marxist understanding of class conflict the corporate, political, and media works as a bourgeoisie class acting in its own interests against the interests of the workers.

That was not the ideology behind the American revolution. It is the ideology spewed in this very thread. All that's missing is recognizing that elites" equals "bourgeoise" and "real Americans" equals "proletariat." So, semantics.

The rejection of democratic processes for a preferred dictatorship of said proletariat is clear. What's less clear is why they plan to do with counter-revolutionaries if they had are successful in their revolution. What's less clear is what, if any, moral line exists in people whose rhetoric is that any attempt to hold a moral line makes one a quisling.

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The "vast majority" of Republicans are not QAnon acolytes and were not part of that "event."

The rabid supporters of the rhetoric that led to it frequently ridicule and bash the "vast majority" of Republicans.

This is a movement that is literally attempting to undermine the Republican party and replace it with leadership with a wholly different ideology, one rooted in a marxist understanding of class conflict the corporate, political, and media works as a bourgeoisie class acting in its own interests against the interests of the workers.

That was not the ideology behind the American revolution. It is the ideology spewed in this very thread. All that's missing is recognizing that elites" equals "bourgeoise" and "real Americans" equals "proletariat." So, semantics.

The rejection of democratic processes for a preferred dictatorship of said proletariat is clear. What's less clear is why they plan to do with counter-revolutionaries if they had are successful in their revolution. What's less clear is what, if any, moral line exists in people whose rhetoric is that any attempt to hold a moral line makes one a quisling.

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We're calling the protest of hundreds of thousands a riot because a few hundred broke some windows and some asshole allegedly clocked an officer with a fire extinguisher?

Sorry, I still haven't given in to their narrative.
Zhukov probably wanted to call it a violent, armed insurrection, but knew he'd get shit on immediately.

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In this very thread, fettesbrodte quoted the Declaration of independence, "that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government" as justification for what happened at the Capitol.

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All of them fit into the narrative.

That you pretend not to understand what Zhukov posted, is very telling.

You pretend not to even read what is in this very thread.

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Yes, all conservatives are Nazis and all Conservatives are represented by the raid in the Capitol. That's my argument.

Wait. No. Actually, Zhukov specifically covered this in the OP. It's the people in this thread he upset, and that you are backing, who are suggesting that not supporting that activity makes someone somehow not a conservative. I'm not the one arguing that as long as the Left is going to call us Nazis, there's no point in having any moral restrictions against what behavior we tolerate or with whom we associate.

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@Zhukov is wrong.


While I can wholely say that violence is not my preferred method of political discourse, Zhukov takes a position founded in idealism and skipping an entire year of the Overton Window being opened up, never mind the last decade.

Bush was in office, everyone was retarded warmongers following the monkey-Bush president. Burning the flag was acceptable, but protesting was to remain mostly peaceful. Coverage strictly one sided, few arrested.

Obama was in office, everyone who disagreed was racists. Those on the left were standing up for justice, and the "few trouble makers" were quietly dealt with, though mainly with kids gloves. Those on the right were racist trouble makers. Gun owners were racist while filming a black man carrying a rifle, with the zoom fully on the rifle so as not to see the black man carrying it.

Trump gets in office, protesting becomes a , "duty and obligation". The coverage of protests are overwhelmingly positive. Media carried hateful messaging to the people in a decidedly one directional matter. A baseball game was shot up by a deranged leftist and that single person,once linked, became 'not what we stand for, SEE LOOK WE SAID WE DON'T CONDOM IT' only to go right back into the political rhetoric. A Supreme Court Justice had a kangaroo court, complete with false accusations getting full prime time coverage without an iota of evidence. But don't worry, the media did their job to insulate the Democrat party members and ensure positive coverage to the left.

Fires erupted behind news reporters and Governors surveying damage were forced to flee. Attacks on Trump supporters were normalized. Kidnapping kids was treated like Jaywalking. State AGs ensured that rioters were let out of jail, uncharged. An organized resistance to law and order was formed, complete with phone numbers to lawyers funded by the Vice President and her staff. Hell, we weren't even allowed to ask about protesting for the purpose of COVID tracking.

That "normal and acceptable" form of protest was now violence. Violence against the community, the police, and the opposite political side. Murder in the street due to political leaning did not start with the right.

On 1/6 the Right walked through the window the Left opened and they were shocked. Only this time it wasn't the local Stop and Rob convenience store being burned. It wasn't the local hair salon being robbed, or the show store, or Best Buy and Walmart. It wasn't the police, white people, or the statues of long dead Americans being hit. The anger, through the window, was directed at  a legislature that had investigated ever nose hair on Trump but refused to look at massive voting irregularity. A judicial branch that has seen every "voter suppression" case they could find, but refused to hear last minute changes to State constitutions without the consent of the people.

With the anger being directed at them, the minions of Congress got scared and now we see the result. A combined effort to get the serfs in line.

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Actually my argument was the “adult one.” You revert to your typical “all ARFCOM is beneath me” schtick

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Zhukov doesn't really understand what is happening.

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The mistake a lot of you are making is trying to draw some kind of equivalence between the actual acts of violence. I know that a whole summer of rioting doesn't equate to one day of idiocy - that's not the point.

What I was specifically addressing is that SOME people here used violence by the left as an excuse to condemn ALL people on the left and proscribed any and all measures against them (which included putting them in ovens). I warned that using that measuring stick is a problem as it could be used just as easily against our side. Notice I used the qualified "some" because there weren't a bunch of people following that logic.

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@Zhukov is wrong.


While I can wholely say that violence is not my preferred method of political discourse, Zhukov takes a position founded in idealism and skipping an entire year of the Overton Window being opened up, never mind the last decade.

Bush was in office, everyone was retarded warmongers following the monkey-Bush president. Burning the flag was acceptable, but protesting was to remain mostly peaceful. Coverage strictly one sided, few arrested.

Obama was in office, everyone who disagreed was racists. Those on the left were standing up for justice, and the "few trouble makers" were quietly dealt with, though mainly with kids gloves. Those on the right were racist trouble makers. Gun owners were racist while filming a black man carrying a rifle, with the zoom fully on the rifle so as not to see the black man carrying it.

Trump gets in office, protesting becomes a , "duty and obligation". The coverage of protests are overwhelmingly positive. Media carried hateful messaging to the people in a decidedly one directional matter. A baseball game was shot up by a deranged leftist and that single person,once linked, became 'not what we stand for, SEE LOOK WE SAID WE DON'T CONDOM IT' only to go right back into the political rhetoric. A Supreme Court Justice had a kangaroo court, complete with false accusations getting full prime time coverage without an iota of evidence. But don't worry, the media did their job to insulate the Democrat party members and ensure positive coverage to the left.

Fires erupted behind news reporters and Governors surveying damage were forced to flee. Attacks on Trump supporters were normalized. Kidnapping kids was treated like Jaywalking. State AGs ensured that rioters were let out of jail, uncharged. An organized resistance to law and order was formed, complete with phone numbers to lawyers funded by the Vice President and her staff. Hell, we weren't even allowed to ask about protesting for the purpose of COVID tracking.

That "normal and acceptable" form of protest was now violence. Violence against the community, the police, and the opposite political side. Murder in the street due to political leaning did not start with the right.

On 1/6 the Right walked through the window the Left opened and they were shocked. Only this time it wasn't the local Stop and Rob convenience store being burned. It wasn't the local hair salon being robbed, or the show store, or Best Buy and Walmart. It wasn't the police, white people, or the statues of long dead Americans being hit. The anger, through the window, was directed at  a legislature that had investigated ever nose hair on Trump but refused to look at massive voting irregularity. A judicial branch that has seen every "voter suppression" case they could find, but refused to hear last minute changes to State constitutions without the consent of the people.

With the anger being directed at them, the minions of Congress got scared and now we see the result. A combined effort to get the serfs in line.

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Zukhov. You are wrong because you believe that you can win following the rules. The bad side doesn’t