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Posted: 1/12/2023 1:43:57 AM EST
[Last Edit: Aimless]
I know a guy looking to sell a used yahama wolverine. It's only a two seater and it's maybe 5 years old, it's probably 5k cheaper than a new 2 seater ie I think he wants $8-9 for it; and I guess a new 4 seater is more like $ 20k.
I was thinking about getting just a regular single seat atv, my wife and kids have been out in four and six seaters when we have family get togethers, I'm not sure how interested my wife and kids are in a lot of atving around. I have two four wheel drive pick ups that are adequate for driving on the sort of hard packed dry dirt roads I've mostly driven on in Utah and Arizona. Most people I've seen off road have the more expensive racing style side by sides but those cost like $ 30k+ I've seen some Yamaha Vikings for sale but I guess they're kind of pokey but reliable. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2023 1:53:22 AM EST
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I’ve had a Kawasaki 650 ATV and 360 ATV and Honda SXS 500 Pioneer. There are advantages both ways. I rode a lot of dual sport dirt bikes also that’s probably the most fun. I should get a Honda ATV but it’s hard to get excited about it. Almost bought a Honda CRF 300
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Posted: 1/12/2023 1:58:46 AM EST
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Is there a particular reason you want a SxS?
Otherwise just buy another 4x4 pickup or SUV for the same money. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 2:05:18 AM EST
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I had some street bikes in the late 80s and early 90s and rode a lot for awhile but I never rode off road other than putting around.
one of the advantages of Utah is anything is street legal. You can buy hot off road two strokes, hang lights on them and get a street plate. But I don't know that I'm up for that this late in life |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 2:29:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: Aimless]
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By onthebreeze: Is there a particular reason you want a SxS? Otherwise just buy another 4x4 pickup or SUV for the same money. I mostly just want to bomb around on rough dirt roads and easy kind of obvious off road trails with less worries about breaking down or getting stuck. edit it's funny, I headed down this steep "road" that I thought had too high a center, came down the bottom of the hill and the "road" kept going downhill then around the side of the hill and off across the distance. I ended up backing back up the hill, but as I had gotten bear the bottom I saw a BIG new fancy RV down there at the bottom. There's RVs and big campers all over the desert and up in the mountains, but this was either driven by the world's greatest driver or it was stolen or hidden from repo men. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 2:29:50 AM EST
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Last year I sold a Wolverine that I used around the house, trail riding and used for snow plowing and bought a new XT 1000R Can Am Commander that I hunt with, plow with and we both enjoy together
For the poster above that says just buy another 4x4, he's very wrong, doesn't understand the trail system out here and doesn't own one. Having 2 newer Tacoma's (one is built for Moab and strictly an offroad truck) and a Duramax also, we used the hell out of our Commander last year and had a blast. 2 completely different outdoor experiences. Pro Tip - I would not make the mistake of not being able to take the entire family out at once. There is a big difference in not being able to take them all vs all not wanting to go, have the option. My kids are grown now but, we always had enough machines for everyone to go if they wanted. Do your research and enjoy. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2023 6:49:06 AM EST
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The Wolverine's are pretty slick. I was picking up some parts for my chainsaw and was looking at a 2 seater Wolverine before Christmas. I am really thinking about selling my CanAm Outlander and moving to the SxS. I need to be able to get my dog in the woods duck hunting and she doesn't like riding on the ATV. For they money they really seem like one of the best buys out there.
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Posted: 1/12/2023 7:43:12 AM EST
[#7]
I think some of those Wolverines had internal engine problems. Seems I’ve heard about oil pump issues or something similar over the years. Check into that.
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Posted: 1/12/2023 10:11:05 AM EST
[Last Edit: DVCER]
[#8]
2019 Wolverine. Got tired of beating up my truck and Jeep, bought this. Wish I had done it sooner. One particular Jeep trail used to take me 4 hours to go 5 miles in the Jeep . 1 hour or less in this thing.
 Attached File Attached File3200 miles, just regular maintenance and tires. You sure you don’t want a 4 seater? Due to the door, and CPSC(I guess), you need to be a bit limber to get in/out. I think they all have some different designs to help keep you in when you roll it. Yamaha has a “shoulder bolster”, and that dang door frame has a latch that protrudes enough to be a PIA during entry/exit. Very comfy once I am in. Almost got the Honda pioneer for its bench seat, they use a net to keep you from getting tossed in rollovers, but I really didn’t have the legroom in it. 6’4”. Built a rear rack too. Pretty helpful for more than a beer cooler.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 11:12:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PvtJoeBauers: I think some of those Wolverines had internal engine problems. Seems I've heard about oil pump issues or something similar over the years. Check into that. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 11:22:02 AM EST
[#10]
Why can't companies come up with new names. This is a Wolverine.
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Posted: 1/12/2023 2:27:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Dale: Why can't companies come up with new names. This is a Wolverine. https://www.webbikeworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/DSC_1015-scaled-1.jpg My brother had one of those. Quite fun for all they were. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 2:35:14 PM EST
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Rock solid machines, the trade off is they are louder and just very basic compared to other similar machines out there.
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Posted: 1/12/2023 6:16:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Good question. I have an F250 that I've taken the kids around on mountain fire roads and in the desert but I've stopped at dirt paths/roads that were deeply rutted with a high center that I think a truck would get hung up on. I also don't think a truck would handle constant trips on some of those washboard roads, although I could try my old Tubdra, but there are some paths/roads that I think it would still be too big for even with lockers or whatever I would need to make if more capable of road. I mostly just want to bomb around on rough dirt roads and easy kind of obvious off road trails with less worries about breaking down or getting stuck. edit it's funny, I headed down this steep "road" that I thought had too high a center, came down the bottom of the hill and the "road" kept going downhill then around the side of the hill and off across the distance. I ended up backing back up the hill, but as I had gotten bear the bottom I saw a BIG new fancy RV down there at the bottom. There's RVs and big campers all over the desert and up in the mountains, but this was either driven by the world's greatest driver or it was stolen or hidden from repo men. UTV’s ride so much better than vehicles do on trails. If you have good trails they are a blast. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 6:44:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR_Dale: Why can't companies come up with new names. This is a Wolverine. https://www.webbikeworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/DSC_1015-scaled-1.jpg That's what I was expecting. Those were pretty nice ATVs. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 9:57:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RoofTopShot: Rock solid machines, the trade off is they are louder and just very basic compared to other similar machines out there. Mine is pretty quiet, stock everything. Honda was similar quiet. |
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Posted: 1/12/2023 10:10:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: GlutealCleft]
[#16]
Originally Posted By Aimless: I know a guy looking to sell a used yahama wolverine. It's only a two seater and it's maybe 5 years old, it's probably 5k cheaper than a new 2 seater ie I think he wants $8-9 for it; and I guess a new 4 seater is more like $ 20k. I was thinking about getting just a regular single seat atv, my wife and kids have been out in four and six seaters when we have family get togethers, I'm not sure how interested my wife and kids are in a lot of atving around. I have two four wheel drive pick ups that are adequate for driving on the sort of hard packed dry dirt roads I've mostly driven on in Utah and Arizona. Most people I've seen off road have the more expensive racing style side by sides but those cost like $ 30k+ I've seen some Yamaha Vikings for sale but I guess they're kind of pokey but reliable. If it's JUST for you, consider something <=50" width. There are a lot of 50" trails in national forests in Utah, and they're absolutely the best trails. Originally Posted By Aimless: Good question. I have an F250 that I've taken the kids around on mountain fire roads and in the desert but I've stopped at dirt paths/roads that were deeply rutted with a high center that I think a truck would get hung up on. I also don't think a truck would handle constant trips on some of those washboard roads, although I could try my old Tubdra, but there are some paths/roads that I think it would still be too big for even with lockers or whatever I would need to make if more capable of road. I mostly just want to bomb around on rough dirt roads and easy kind of obvious off road trails with less worries about breaking down or getting stuck. edit it's funny, I headed down this steep "road" that I thought had too high a center, came down the bottom of the hill and the "road" kept going downhill then around the side of the hill and off across the distance. I ended up backing back up the hill, but as I had gotten bear the bottom I saw a BIG new fancy RV down there at the bottom. There's RVs and big campers all over the desert and up in the mountains, but this was either driven by the world's greatest driver or it was stolen or hidden from repo men. OK, if you just want to take fire roads, then the Wolverine would be fine. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:05:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: Aimless]
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I saw narrower trails gated off in the Paiute loop area. They looked like you could only get a single seat atv in there. Course a lot that area I was able to drive in my pick up truck. I wanted to go up to the next town and although some stuff on the internet described the dirt roads or trails as rough the bigger trails were fine in a pickup as far as I went.
I eventually want to get a 4 or six seater so I can take the wife and kids. But I don't really want to spend the money this year. Moving was expensive and I bought a truck this year already. I was considering a regular single seat but some of the used side by sides aren't that much more expensive than a new single seat. I'm pretty inexperienced. I've putted around on single seats in NY just driving around in farmland or on tractor/pickup trails in the woods just playing around or using them for hunting but I've never done any kind of trips on them. I'm still half thinking of starting out on a single seat. We've ridden in six seaters with my nephew driving and he's an extremely skilled outdoorsman who spends all his free time skiing, rafting and mountain biking and he takes atvs and snowmobiles over pretty treacherous terrain. Some of the stuff he was doing I would not have done with my family, not sure I would have done it alone |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:43:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: DVCER]
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I almost went with a 50” SxS, just wanted more room.
Plenty of those out there. Roof, roll bar and a seat belt and very little extra room. Have you looked at them? ETA. Yeah I get denied a bit without a 50” wide machine. Utah has the same stuff. They put some serious barriers up here that filter out us wide body’s |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 12:52:45 AM EST
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Posted: 1/13/2023 1:04:21 AM EST
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UT, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2023 1:32:01 AM EST
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Current 2020 X2 XT-R Wolverine owner. 1600 miles on it, bought it new. 850 cc 2 cylinder engine is super solid and very reliable. I've owned other quads and side by sides. I don't do the go-fast (1000cc turbo stuff), so for hunting, trail riding, touring, etc. It's a winner and my favorite of all I've had. I have a windshield and hard back window along with the top.
The current generation of Woverine started in 2019 with the X2 (850 cc engine). STAY FAR AWAY from the 2018 or older 702 cc engine!!!!!!! LOTS and LOTS of mechanical failures. Engines die quickly, can be rebuilt or replaced but cannot be bulletproofed...just a bad design. If you buy a Wolverine, get a 2019 or NEWER with the 850 cc engine. Hope this helps! See this forum: https://www.wolverineforums.com/ |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 1:45:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: GlutealCleft]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14563/3152E575-4218-449C-9456-CE20BC3280BE-2670150.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/14563/3152E575-4218-449C-9456-CE20BC3280BE-2670150.jpg Yeah, there are some 60" trails, although not a ton on the Paiute - I think they're more common on the Arapeen. Here is a good source of information on 50/60" trails on the Paiute. If you're going to do this, you really should sign up on the ATVUtah forum if you aren't already, there is a lot of VERY deep experience there, including at least one of the managers of the Paiute system.  The Entire 50 Inch Section of the Max Reid Trail. Paiute Trail 2020, in our Can Am Maverick Trail. Originally Posted By Aimless: I saw narrower trails gated off in the Paiute loop area. They looked like you could only get a single seat atv in there. Course a lot that area I was able to drive in my pick up truck. I wanted to go up to the next town and although some stuff on the internet described the dirt roads or trails as rough the bigger trails were fine in a pickup as far as I went. I eventually want to get a 4 or six seater so I can take the wife and kids. But I don't really want to spend the money this year. Moving was expensive and I bought a truck this year already. I was considering a regular single seat but some of the used side by sides aren't that much more expensive than a new single seat. I'm pretty inexperienced. I've putted around on single seats in NY just driving around in farmland or on tractor/pickup trails in the woods just playing around or using them for hunting but I've never done any kind of trips on them. I'm still half thinking of starting out on a single seat. We've ridden in six seaters with my nephew driving and he's an extremely skilled outdoorsman who spends all his free time skiing, rafting and mountain biking and he takes atvs and snowmobiles over pretty treacherous terrain. Some of the stuff he was doing I would not have done with my family, not sure I would have done it alone Yeah, it's stupid how an ATV is very nearly the cost of a SxS, and a narrow, small-engine, small-suspension SxS is very nearly the cost of a wider, higher-output, larger-suspension machine. IMHO, the go-to choices are: ATV for 1-up riding anywhere you want to go Maverick Trail for 2-up riding on 50" trails Maverick Sport/Sport Max for 2/4-up riding on 60" trails Whatever you want for non-width-restricted forest roads. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2023 1:18:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnnyLoco]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sparkyD: UTV’s ride so much better than vehicles do on trails. If you have good trails they are a blast. This, although lowering the tire pressure on the f-250 will help. On rough rocky Hill Country roads and trails a sxs can go literally 3x as fast as a truck that I’m creeping along at 5mph or so just trying not to jar myself. A Tacoma does better than my f-250 and I air down. I’d like to design a truck or jeep that rode almost like a sxs, without having to air down less than 20psi, wonder if that’s possible. |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 1:22:34 PM EST
[#24]
Yeah this wolverine looks like the prior generation motor. I'll pass. I'm cheap but walking home across the desert with ravens circling me doesn't sound like fun.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/13/2023 1:30:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: JohnnyLoco]
[#25]
Also, towing utvs can be a pita, I would look at an enclosed trailer and you have to strap them down properly or the straps can break, ask me how I know. And trailer tires blowing out can suck, happened to a guy I know. I would just do a super customized Jeep and really tune that suspension/tire/wheel combo to get a good ride on the trails. I save my utv for my own property and easements in the surrounding areas.
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Posted: 1/13/2023 2:30:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: GlutealCleft]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: This, although lowering the tire pressure on the f-250 will help. On rough rocky Hill Country roads and trails a sxs can go literally 3x as fast as a truck that I’m creeping along at 5mph or so just trying not to jar myself. A Tacoma does better than my f-250 and I air down. I’d like to design a truck or jeep that rode almost like a sxs, without having to air down less than 20psi, wonder if that’s possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Originally Posted By sparkyD: UTV’s ride so much better than vehicles do on trails. If you have good trails they are a blast. This, although lowering the tire pressure on the f-250 will help. On rough rocky Hill Country roads and trails a sxs can go literally 3x as fast as a truck that I’m creeping along at 5mph or so just trying not to jar myself. A Tacoma does better than my f-250 and I air down. I’d like to design a truck or jeep that rode almost like a sxs, without having to air down less than 20psi, wonder if that’s possible. Yep, it's certainly possible, you just need longer suspension travel, and longer, larger-diameter, appropriately-sprung and valved shocks, then go with a lighter sway-bar (or a removable sway bar, or the devices that allow *some* sway before the sway bar kicks in). Since factory trucks are designed for essentially the opposite of that, it takes a very radical re-build of the entire suspension and parts of the drivetrain. Originally Posted By JohnnyLoco: Also, towing utvs can be a pita, I would look at an enclosed trailer and you have to strap them down properly or the straps can break, ask me how I know. And trailer tires blowing out can suck, happened to a guy I know. I would just do a super customized Jeep and really tune that suspension/tire/wheel combo to get a good ride on the trails. I save my utv for my own property and easements in the surrounding areas. "Towing UTVs can be a pita"... so would driving something heavily tuned for the trails on the highway to get to the trails. If you look at Matt's Offroad, their banana/morrvair are heavily tuned for trails, crawling, and offroading - nice soft, long suspension travel, and they can take the trails and roads a lot faster and more comfortably than stock vehicles. If they're going very far at all, they trailer those suckers, because driving those things any significant distance on the highway just isn't a great proposition. If you're just going to hit trails that are relatively close, sure, that's doable. And Aimless has some trails that are nearby, for sure. But he also has world-class trail systems scattered all the way north through Utah, and then through Idaho available to him.... |
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Posted: 1/13/2023 3:40:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GlutealCleft: Yep, it's certainly possible, you just need longer suspension travel, and longer, larger-diameter, appropriately-sprung and valved shocks, then go with a lighter sway-bar (or a removable sway bar, or the devices that allow *some* sway before the sway bar kicks in). Since factory trucks are designed for essentially the opposite of that, it takes a very radical re-build of the entire suspension and parts of the drivetrain. "Towing UTVs can be a pita"... so would driving something heavily tuned for the trails on the highway to get to the trails. If you look at Matt's Offroad, their banana/morrvair are heavily tuned for trails, crawling, and offroading - nice soft, long suspension travel, and they can take the trails and roads a lot faster and more comfortably than stock vehicles. If they're going very far at all, they trailer those suckers, because driving those things any significant distance on the highway just isn't a great proposition. If you're just going to hit trails that are relatively close, sure, that's doable. And Aimless has some trails that are nearby, for sure. But he also has world-class trail systems scattered all the way north through Utah, and then through Idaho available to him.... That makes sense, and I see the advantages of trailering out there because of the cool trails, having a dedicated vehicle for each purpose and also if your rig breaks down you could either get a ride or hike back to your main vehicle, but then recovering or fixing the utv might be difficult. I just want to be able to drive a hundred miles relative easily on main roads then be able to go about 5 miles on some really rough, rocky, easements at utv speeds and comfort. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:57:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyLoco: This, although lowering the tire pressure on the f-250 will help. On rough rocky Hill Country roads and trails a sxs can go literally 3x as fast as a truck that I’m creeping along at 5mph or so just trying not to jar myself. A Tacoma does better than my f-250 and I air down. I’d like to design a truck or jeep that rode almost like a sxs, without having to air down less than 20psi, wonder if that’s possible. Yeah yeah I have Rancho 9000 adjustable shocks on my Jeep plus air to lower and raise tire pressure and it’s still not as nice a ride as my Wife’s Polaris Ranger 1000. If it’s a short ride I will sometimes just bring the Jeep but if we’re going for a half day or more I trailer the UTV with the F350. The only time I would say my Jeep is better is when it’s really dusty. But our group doesn’t ride that fast and there’s a couple of us that grab our jeeps when it’s hot and dry. The side by side just opens more choices with a nicer ride. |
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Posted: 1/14/2023 9:58:39 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: Yeah this wolverine looks like the prior generation motor. I'll pass. I'm cheap but walking home across the desert with ravens circling me doesn't sound like fun. Keep your eyes open never know what might show up next. |
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Posted: 5/14/2023 4:08:20 PM EST
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Posted: 7/3/2023 7:18:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Aimless: I saw narrower trails gated off in the Paiute loop area. They looked like you could only get a single seat atv in there. Course a lot that area I was able to drive in my pick up truck. I wanted to go up to the next town and although some stuff on the internet described the dirt roads or trails as rough the bigger trails were fine in a pickup as far as I went. I eventually want to get a 4 or six seater so I can take the wife and kids. But I don't really want to spend the money this year. Moving was expensive and I bought a truck this year already. I was considering a regular single seat but some of the used side by sides aren't that much more expensive than a new single seat. I'm pretty inexperienced. I've putted around on single seats in NY just driving around in farmland or on tractor/pickup trails in the woods just playing around or using them for hunting but I've never done any kind of trips on them. I'm still half thinking of starting out on a single seat. We've ridden in six seaters with my nephew driving and he's an extremely skilled outdoorsman who spends all his free time skiing, rafting and mountain biking and he takes atvs and snowmobiles over pretty treacherous terrain. Some of the stuff he was doing I would not have done with my family, not sure I would have done it alone  Attached File |
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USA
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Posted: 8/19/2023 9:43:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: Trey-W]
[#32]
I have a 2018 Wolverine X4 with the 850 engine. It’s been great, no issues.
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Posted: 8/26/2023 8:20:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By km: 50 inch trails are why I bought the Honda Pioneer 500. If you never plan to run narrow trails the wider machines are more stable. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/64775/20230613_135016_jpg-2872044.JPG I love my Honda Pioneer 500 since I can go on narrow trails. The Pioneer 500 is definitely not a speed demon but it is a workhorse. Now if you are wanting to stay with 50" width and go faster, there is the CanAM Maverick Trail 700 or 1000, the Polaris RZR Trail, or CF Moto ZForce Trail. For the OP, it will depend on how well maintained that particular Wolverine is and if it has been used/abused. I can't speak on the quality of the newer Yamaha Wolverines. A neighbor that use to be a Yamaha dealer and still runs a repair shop for TV's, UTV's and lawn equipment has a 2017 Wolverine that he uses all the time for play and work. He also does a lot of snow plowing with it and he has not had any issues with his. Of course he doesn't abuse it and does all the maintenance on schedule. |
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