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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:43:04 PM EDT
[#1]
95+%. Heck yes I would.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:45:01 PM EDT
[#2]
I don’t see getting a pay raise equivalent to the amount of misery that would entail.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:47:23 PM EDT
[#3]
I would. But FT work and FT student is hard. Real hard. Do you have a family?
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:47:36 PM EDT
[#4]
YES.
it's a degree you can use |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:49:06 PM EDT
[#5]
... that VERY MUCH depends how old you are when making that decision
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:49:12 PM EDT
[#6]
I'd hold out for tuition reimbursement for a masters in pottery and ceramics
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:51:26 PM EDT
[#7]
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So looks like my current employer would pay for like 95+% of the cost of this but I'm still wondering about the level of personal time it would suck up. https://catalog.dsu.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=28&poid=2055&returnto=1351 https://dsu.edu/graduate-students/dsccs I know I'd learn a lot but it almost seem as if you could learn more with self-study, especially in cybersecurity. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:52:16 PM EDT
[#8]
not worth time investment if you dont get eqiv raise
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:52:18 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
So looks like my current employer would pay for like 95+% of the cost of this but I'm still wondering about the level of personal time it would suck up. https://catalog.dsu.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=28&poid=2055&returnto=1351 https://dsu.edu/graduate-students/dsccs I know I'd learn a lot but it almost seem as if you could learn more with self-study, especially in cybersecurity. Personally I don’t have any degree and it hasn’t stopped me in IT / Security. I might get my bachelors eventually but only to break into the next tier. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:53:02 PM EDT
[#10]
I'm a SW engineer and most people tell me I got skillz.
But when I have to work with the crypto-security team, I'm pretty much a neanderthal. Those guys are wicked smart and keep all our shit locked down. Go for it. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:54:11 PM EDT
[#11]
No. After my last doctorate I decided no more school.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 9:55:02 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is your end goal? CISO is something obtainable with a masters or even less. Personally I don’t have any degree and it hasn’t stopped me in IT / Security. I might get my bachelors eventually but only to break into the next tier. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:00:29 PM EDT
[#13]
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CISO or Chief Security Officer role, but I already have a MS in Cybersecurity...so not sure that this will provide much dividends career wise. Only plus I could see is potentially giving more credence to a startup if I go that route. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What is your end goal? CISO is something obtainable with a masters or even less. Personally I don’t have any degree and it hasn’t stopped me in IT / Security. I might get my bachelors eventually but only to break into the next tier. ETA: Honestly you'd be way better off spending the time prepping a talk or two and submitting to some conferences, 'cred' is worth a lot more than paper in this field. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:01:00 PM EDT
[#14]
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CISO or Chief Security Officer role, but I already have a MS in Cybersecurity...so not sure that this will provide much dividends career wise. Only plus I could see is potentially giving more credence to a startup if I go that route. As you know there are different levels of CISOs. Best thing IMO would be leadership in IAM, IR or Vuln mgmt. if you have those areas covered your next move is clear. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:05:03 PM EDT
[#15]
Absolutely.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:05:35 PM EDT
[#16]
Yes. No doubt.
That's a good $150,000 job (starting). |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:06:55 PM EDT
[#17]
If I got time to study on the company dime I would. I have a couple of friends who have completed or nearly completed doctorates. It is a huge time suck and massive PITA. Both are .gov employees, so it is key to them getting promoted. Unless your're doing research, I'm not sure the private sector cares that much about it.
I do want to get my master's so that I can teach part time. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:21:05 PM EDT
[#18]
It would be a nice title to have, but I wouldn’t pursue it.
I’ve been in CyberSecurity/InfoSec since 2000. I’m mid-40s, married with a 3 year old son. If I was mid to late 20s and single with no kids, I’d pursue it. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:21:27 PM EDT
[#19]
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95+%. Heck yes I would. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:23:09 PM EDT
[#20]
Yes.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:25:23 PM EDT
[#21]
I have my MS in Info Assurance and a Doctorate would not be worth it. Instead I’m submitting papers for conferences and working on advancing the state of ICS security education in my critical infrastructure niche. Not worth it. If you want details, lemme know.
Got your CISSP yet? |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:25:48 PM EDT
[#22]
How much of what you learn will change completely by the time you finish your degree?
Some of the shit these cyber crooks pull and come up with is amazing in it's ingenuity. If they used their powers for good then we'd have flying cars, Martian colonies and cold fusion by now. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:25:54 PM EDT
[#23]
Cyber security is one of the most stressful and boring parts of IT
With PCI/Hippo/FIPS140-2 etc you spend all your time thinking about audits. Then if your company falls victim to a real world attack due to your vendors fault, you get blamed for it |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:27:27 PM EDT
[#24]
I sure would.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:29:00 PM EDT
[#25]
Do it. My employer paid for me to upgrade from a BS to an MA and my total out of pocket was about $100. It's stupid not to take advantage of this kinda thing when the opportunity presents itself like it is right now. Doooooo ittttt.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:29:21 PM EDT
[#26]
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I have my MS in Info Assurance and a Doctorate would not be worth it. Instead I’m submitting papers for conferences and working on advancing the state of ICS security education in my critical infrastructure niche. Not worth it. If you want details, lemme know. Got your CISSP yet? |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:30:32 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
So looks like my current employer would pay for like 95+% of the cost of this but I'm still wondering about the level of personal time it would suck up. https://catalog.dsu.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=28&poid=2055&returnto=1351 https://dsu.edu/graduate-students/dsccs I know I'd learn a lot but it almost seem as if you could learn more with self-study, especially in cybersecurity. Probably overkill unless you are the type that wants to go on the lecture circuit or do heavy research. A masters from a respected Technical school (NJIT has an amazing program) and start working towards your CISSP is probably the more practical route if you actually want to work in the industry. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:30:34 PM EDT
[#28]
Yes...Cybersecurity is one of the last job security specialties left in IT. Note, in order to turn that degrees into tangible money you’re going to need to get InfoSec carts and “gets your hands dirty.” Target should be CISO and then CTO/CIO so yeah, it would be worth it.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:36:01 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not worth it at all then. I am a researcher and I know like 2 guys with a doctorate and they slow rolled it while working just to do it. I don't know anyone in management with one, especially in the field. Its basically just a joke to them with the occassional "hey, thats doctor x to you". I've been involved in security startups and know many people who have as well and a doctorate literally never comes up. That degree is for someone who wants to spend longer at school and then go into working at one of the labs. I'd look into the profs and search linkedin for a grad from that program too as I've never heard of it. ETA: Honestly you'd be way better off spending the time prepping a talk or two and submitting to some conferences, 'cred' is worth a lot more than paper in this field. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:37:56 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I have my MS in Info Assurance and a Doctorate would not be worth it. Instead I’m submitting papers for conferences and working on advancing the state of ICS security education in my critical infrastructure niche. Not worth it. If you want details, lemme know. Got your CISSP yet? 
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:42:31 PM EDT
[#31]
You'd be a fool not to take them up on that offer.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:46:48 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ICS security you say? You ever been to ICSJWG? |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:49:49 PM EDT
[#33]
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Cyber security is one of the most stressful and boring parts of IT With PCI/Hippo/FIPS140-2 etc you spend all your time thinking about audits. Then if your company falls victim to a real world attack due to your vendors fault, you get blamed for it |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 10:51:09 PM EDT
[#34]
Yes
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Posted: 8/16/2018 11:01:29 PM EDT
[#35]
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No. After my last doctorate I decided no more school. |
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Posted: 8/16/2018 11:05:50 PM EDT
[#36]
Look at where you wanna get to. Look at resumes or bios of folks at that level. Work backwards. A PhD or SciD won’t be the item holding you back more than likely.
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Posted: 8/16/2018 11:09:05 PM EDT
[#37]
I wouldn't turn down a paid for PhD.
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Posted: 8/18/2018 3:56:06 PM EDT
[#38]
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Not worth it at all then. I am a researcher and I know like 2 guys with a doctorate and they slow rolled it while working just to do it. I don't know anyone in management with one, especially in the field. Its basically just a joke to them with the occassional "hey, thats doctor x to you". I've been involved in security startups and know many people who have as well and a doctorate literally never comes up. That degree is for someone who wants to spend longer at school and then go into working at one of the labs. I'd look into the profs and search linkedin for a grad from that program too as I've never heard of it. ETA: Honestly you'd be way better off spending the time prepping a talk or two and submitting to some conferences, 'cred' is worth a lot more than paper in this field. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 3:57:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Hell yes I would. Free education? Why wouldn't you?
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Posted: 8/18/2018 3:58:40 PM EDT
[#40]
After you get it, insist that everyone address you as "doctor".
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Posted: 8/18/2018 3:59:42 PM EDT
[#41]
Georgia tech is launching an online ms in cyber security. $10k for the whole program. Same rigor, courses, and diploma as the on campus program.
Oms computer science and analytics look good. This one likely will be too. https://www.news.gatech.edu/2018/08/09/georgia-tech-creates-cybersecurity-masters-degree-online-less-10000 |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 4:00:21 PM EDT
[#42]
Hell yes!!!
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Posted: 8/18/2018 4:11:00 PM EDT
[#43]
The money is probably good but I'd say no.
I worked in IA for my last 15 years or so. I didnt do IA but i was in the department. Everyday I attended meetings and listened to these guys. I had been in it before so I knew what they saying. You couldn't pay me enough to do that. Stress, BS from the managers, oh so many assholes from other departments. No, just no. For the record I was the Facility Manager. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 4:29:41 PM EDT
[#44]
Ph.D in computer science.
Would do it all over again for the money I make now. Nice when the president of the company has your back and when people fight to hire you. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 4:31:02 PM EDT
[#45]
I don't know your field.
But I know a little about schooling. Some doctorates can be very, very hard. Will this require dissertation defense? What kind of 'thing' will you have to author and execute as your... the words escape me, but the research project you might have to do? At the easy end of the spectrum, I guarded a university that awarded Ed.D's. Privately they said the Ed.D was the GED of the Ph.D world. If it is 'easy' for you, and you don't have to do a lot of cohort style work and you really don't have much in the way of family life, that's a pretty impressive credential. But if you have an outside life, you, like previously mentioned, have to really start weighing time and PITA investment vs how much additional earning power you'll have left with the working time you'll have left. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 4:33:19 PM EDT
[#46]
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Yes. No doubt. That's a good $150,000 job (starting). |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 4:42:44 PM EDT
[#47]
I'm in OT Cybersecurity and I'd do it if it were company paid
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Posted: 8/18/2018 4:42:50 PM EDT
[#48]
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95+%. Heck yes I would. Halliburton paid for about 95% of my Master of Science. I did at night it while working full-time and tutoring chemistry and statistics on the side. Then, about four weeks before I graduated, they eliminated the subsidiary I worked for, which released me from the two years of indentured servitude I signed up for as a condition of the tuition reimbursement program.Twas sweet because three months later I was hired by a national laboratory. I had no social life to speak of for five years, but that piece of paper helped me make an extra $125,000 in salary plus about $120,000 in my 401(k)since I got it in 1995. In Cybersecurity? I'd be on that offer like Rosie O'Donnel on a quart of Haggen-Daz. ETA: A degree like that and a clear background would be a way into the Intel world. Then you could make sure they aren't spying on us here ARFCOMmers or you could warn us to put body armor on the Pekinese, Breed of a Death. |
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Posted: 8/18/2018 6:47:19 PM EDT
[#49]
I have a Master of Science in Electrical Engineering with a concentration in Micro-electronics. I did the thesis option and had a research assistant position while working 32 hours as an engineer.
I watched one of my research team members not get his PhD because one guy on his committee refused to sign off on his dissertation, he was absolutely convinced the work had been done before. Great engineer too, cost him a chunk of change and almost lost his design position at Texas Instruments over it. PhD is always a gamble. I'd rather jerk off with a fist full of broken glass than get a PhD in anything. 
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Posted: 8/18/2018 6:57:43 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
So looks like my current employer would pay for like 95+% of the cost of this but I'm still wondering about the level of personal time it would suck up. https://catalog.dsu.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=28&poid=2055&returnto=1351 https://dsu.edu/graduate-students/dsccs I know I'd learn a lot but it almost seem as if you could learn more with self-study, especially in cybersecurity. |
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