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Posted: 8/22/2023 6:49:35 PM EST
Bought new outlets.
WTF? Is this 12 g and the outlet only takes 14? What about a drill bit and opening it up just a little? I really don't want to old school loop them I have 6 outlets. Thanks for any help/suggestions  |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 6:55:05 PM EST
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Do not use the stab in the back of the receptacle, use wire nuts and make your connections, then wrap the screws then wrap tape around them.
25 year Master Electrician. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 6:59:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Delta: Do not use the stab in the back of the receptacle, use wire nuts and make your connections, then wrap the screws then wrap tape around them. 25 year Master Electrician. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:01:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: FALARAK]
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Do NOT back stab.
Loop around screws. It is not "old school" it is "right school". Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should do something. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:03:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: ZW17]
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Stab locks make fires.
The loop is the way to do it. You grabbed 15a outlets, you need 20a outlets. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:09:49 PM EST
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Thanks for setting me straight.
I'm go get 20 amp. I'll use screws. I didn't follow the first one on the wire nuts. I'll Google that part. Thank you. Did not know they started fires -YIKES! |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:17:17 PM EST
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Never go full on stabby stabby... Also the fact that you asked about drilling them terrifies me... hire an electrician... for the love of god.....
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:18:47 PM EST
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:20:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CavVet: Thanks for setting me straight. I'm go get 20 amp. I'll use screws. I didn't follow the first one on the wire nuts. I'll Google that part. Thank you. Did not know they started fires -YIKES! You can absolutely use 15 amp outlets on a 20 amp circuit. You do NOT need new outlets. This is code compliant. The only time I know you need a 20 amp outlet ona 20 amp circuit, is when the circuit is dedicated to a single outlet and nothing else. Almost every house around here uses 20 amp circuits, and 100% 15 amp outlets. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:32:39 PM EST
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This website is worth every penny.
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:35:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rocky59: Or you can move to these and make life a hell of a lot easier Wago outlet I think we will be seeing a lot more of these. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:42:03 PM EST
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Back Stabby is never a good idea.
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:51:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK: You can absolutely use 15 amp outlets on a 20 amp circuit. You do NOT need new outlets. This is code compliant. The only time I know you need a 20 amp outlet ona 20 amp circuit, is when the circuit is dedicated to a single outlet and nothing else. Almost every house around here uses 20 amp circuits, and 100% 15 amp outlets. Truth bomb. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 7:58:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: CavVet]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tesadorn: Never go full on stabby stabby... Also the fact that you asked about drilling them terrifies me... hire an electrician... for the love of god..... God is capitalized. Always. And I said use a drill bit, not drill them. I got the wire but part, pigtails. Makes the entire ordeal much easier. Thank you! |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 9:19:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Delta: Do not use the stab in the back of the receptacle, use wire nuts and make your connections, then wrap the screws then wrap tape around them. 25 year Master Electrician. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 9:31:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FALARAK: You can absolutely use 15 amp outlets on a 20 amp circuit. You do NOT need new outlets. This is code compliant. The only time I know you need a 20 amp outlet ona 20 amp circuit, is when the circuit is dedicated to a single outlet and nothing else. Almost every house around here uses 20 amp circuits, and 100% 15 amp outlets. Which you have no idea if this is in fact the case. No one asked, and OP never confirmed. Better safe than sorry. |
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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:04:15 PM EST
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I found some outlets where the back has the holes to put the wires in, however, you still tighten the screws on the side to secure them.
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Posted: 8/22/2023 10:16:35 PM EST
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I use nothing but back wire outlets (not the same as back stab). No need to loop around the screw, just insert it into the back of the outlet and tighten the screw.
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Posted: 8/23/2023 11:00:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Firestarter123: I found some outlets where the back has the holes to put the wires in, however, you still tighten the screws on the side to secure them. This is a feature usually found on higher quality outlets. When I'm buying outlets this is what I always buy. OP, pigtails are best when making connections to multiple outlets on a string. It reduces voltage drop and heat. Lastly, outlets OP has sounds like cheap 15A outlets. I've seen many cheap 15A outlets that include side screws AND backstabs but the backstabs are only rated for 14 ga wire. It should say right on the outlet that the backstabs are only for 15A circuits/14 ga wire. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 2:01:54 PM EST
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Lots of good info
It's the dining room, 5 outlets. Big table, small room. I doubt anything more than phone chargers get used in there. On the one outlet with the gaggle of wires, can I put all of them on one pigtail? |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 4:31:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CavVet: Lots of good info It's the dining room, 5 outlets. Big table, small room. I doubt anything more than phone chargers get used in there. On the one outlet with the gaggle of wires, can I put all of them on one pigtail? Dining rooms are wired with 12 gauge wire and on a 20 amp breaker since there is potential you could be plugging food warming appliances in to them. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 6:04:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CavVet: On the one outlet with the gaggle of wires, can I put all of them on one pigtail? All on the same circuit? Sure. Just size the wire nut big enough to accommodate the number of wires. Usually when there are a gaggle of wires in an outlet box, it's being used to feed other plugs/lights/etc. So the power just passes through. I Am Not An Electrician. I've just been doing this shit for as long as I can remember. |
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Posted: 8/23/2023 7:39:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZW17: Which you have no idea if this is in fact the case. No one asked, and OP never confirmed. Better safe than sorry. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZW17: Originally Posted By FALARAK: You can absolutely use 15 amp outlets on a 20 amp circuit. You do NOT need new outlets. This is code compliant. The only time I know you need a 20 amp outlet ona 20 amp circuit, is when the circuit is dedicated to a single outlet and nothing else. Almost every house around here uses 20 amp circuits, and 100% 15 amp outlets. Which you have no idea if this is in fact the case. No one asked, and OP never confirmed. Better safe than sorry. The op stated he had 6 outlets to replace so i think its safe to assume its not a dedicated circuit |
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Posted: 8/24/2023 7:38:09 AM EST
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Posted: 8/24/2023 1:15:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: CavVet]
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Dining room done all pigtailed out.
Tyvm Bedroom ceiling fan has SPST handle switch. Switch controls light only, fan on back stab always hot  I like how it's wired. I don't want the fan switched but you guys have me all paranoid about the stab part |
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Posted: 8/24/2023 3:44:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CavVet: Dining room done all pigtailed out. Tyvm Bedroom ceiling fan has SPST handle switch. Switch controls light only, fan on back stab always hot I like how it's wired. I don't want the fan switched but you guys have me all paranoid about the stab part I wouldn't fret too much about a single ceiling fan on back stabs. But if it bothers you pigtail the switch with the fan always powered. |
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Posted: 8/24/2023 6:53:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: FALARAK]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CavVet: I like how it's wired. I don't want the fan switched but you guys have me all paranoid about the stab part It's only an issue with plugs that see a lot of use and high amperage loads. Fan is a non issue. |
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Posted: 8/24/2023 7:49:59 PM EST
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I pig tailed it.
My last house I ended up replacing all the switches with illuminated and all covers to brushed stainless. I got half the house done today, Amazon will bring the rest over the next two days and I'll be done with electric upgrades. Still not happy I cannot find an illuminated 4 Way handle switch for the top of the steps. I don't like rocker switches but that's all I can find. Thank you for all the professional guidance. I sleep much better knowing it's all done right. Not just code (fucking wall nuts -lol), but correct. The way a sparky would do his house! Like somebody said, this place is awesome!  |
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Posted: 8/28/2023 9:17:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SigOwner_P229: I wouldn't fret too much about a single ceiling fan on back stabs. But if it bothers you pigtail the switch with the fan always powered. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SigOwner_P229: Originally Posted By CavVet: Dining room done all pigtailed out. Tyvm Bedroom ceiling fan has SPST handle switch. Switch controls light only, fan on back stab always hot I like how it's wired. I don't want the fan switched but you guys have me all paranoid about the stab part I wouldn't fret too much about a single ceiling fan on back stabs. But if it bothers you pigtail the switch with the fan always powered. I would. A back stabber on a ceiling fan blowing out and burning all over the box is what made me replace every single receptacle and switch in my house. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 2:28:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Positronic: Back Stabby is never a good idea. I am gradually going thru my house and replacing all of the outlets it came with. Based on the workmanship, or lack of it, I have determined that there were three guys doing the work. Some of the backstab outlets were also used as circuit junctions. In one situation, the dumb-shit used both backstabs and one wrap-around as a junction. That outlet showed signs of overheating, despite never having had high-draw items plugged into it. The heat came from items downstream. A wire nut junction would have been correct, but would have taken more time. |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 4:41:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Delta: Do not use the stab in the back of the receptacle, use wire nuts and make your connections, then wrap the screws then wrap tape around them. 25 year Master Electrician. Gospel I like wagos with a pig tail going to the outlet. I usually use stranded wire for the pig tail <----not an electrician |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 4:43:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CavVet: Thanks for setting me straight. I'm go get 20 amp. I'll use screws. I didn't follow the first one on the wire nuts. I'll Google that part. Thank you. Did not know they started fires -YIKES! Most of the 20 amp outlets I've used have a clamp plate instead of a screw for a loop |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 4:49:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CavVet: Wall nuts?  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/3455/1000011302_jpg-2930259.JPG Wago lever nuts are better. I bought the Ideal brand similar to this pic. wire often came loose YMMV |
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Posted: 9/8/2023 5:27:24 PM EST
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 How To Wire An Electrical Outlet - EASY Receptacle Wiring STEP BY STEP |
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