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Posted: 1/22/2019 11:59:50 PM EDT
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Everyone that makes note about a cartridge that doesn't need trimming  Is it really that hard? |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:04:27 AM EDT
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Meh, I'm not understanding the point of this? Why are y'all interested in it? I'm more utilitarian though, and it seems other cartridges would do a better job at killing, so? As a retailer that adds at least one new SKU to his store inventory every single day I can tell you that people come in all the time and want to know what is new, even though they may be 30 new items on the shelf since they last visited. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:06:21 AM EDT
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Sounds interesting, however, the appeal with 300 BLK is using suppressors. Not a lot of suppressors for handling .35 Cal. Hybrid or whatever it is from Griffin... Once you have a .46 cal suppressor you can suppress lots of other big bores, so it kinda makes sense. Then sell em a so he shot 50BMG from Serbu for $1100. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:10:48 AM EDT
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Sweet
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:02:05 AM EDT
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I see a new upper build in my future. 
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:10:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. You’ll get 25-26 350L in a 30 round 5.56. I don't think you'll even get that many. ETA: MDWS says the similar wildcat is getting that many in a modified PMag: https://www.ar15.com/forums/ar-15/357-AR-max/121-735639/#i7816498 |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:12:45 AM EDT
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Yeah, it helps sell new suppressor, too. Once you have a .46 cal suppressor you can suppress lots of other big bores, so it kinda makes sense. Then sell em a so he shot 50BMG from Serbu for $1100. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds interesting, however, the appeal with 300 BLK is using suppressors. Not a lot of suppressors for handling .35 Cal. Hybrid or whatever it is from Griffin... Once you have a .46 cal suppressor you can suppress lots of other big bores, so it kinda makes sense. Then sell em a so he shot 50BMG from Serbu for $1100. Smart makers might even give barrels threads common to 9mm.... |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:16:47 AM EDT
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This looks like a decent cartridge. I'm astounded just how many new cartridges have been appearing for the AR platform. Personally I'm going with the 6.5G
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:18:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure but this should be compatible with 9mm cans too right? Smart makers might even give barrels threads common to 9mm.... Might handle 35 Legend subs but indolent recommend my customers shoot through a safe-for-subs-suppressor. Too much room for error. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:17:28 AM EDT
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Not sure about pressures with that much case capacity. 9mm is relatively low pressure compared to 5.56 case capacity. Might handle 35 Legend subs but indolent recommend my customers shoot through a safe-for-subs-suppressor. Too much room for error. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:32:12 AM EDT
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Good on Winchester, sounds promising hopefully this catches on better than most .35s do here in the states.....they don't die but are usually relegated to Cult cartridges |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 9:15:28 AM EDT
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Not sure about pressures with that much case capacity. 9mm is relatively low pressure compared to 5.56 case capacity. Might handle 35 Legend subs but indolent recommend my customers shoot through a safe-for-subs-suppressor. Too much room for error. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 9:50:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The idea that a major manufacturer would develop a .223 based cartridge in 2019 and NOT have an AR variant is dumbfounding. Is that really what happened here? 
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Posted: 1/23/2019 9:59:30 AM EDT
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I thought we might get more info than we did prior to SHOT but so far very little.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 10:09:32 AM EDT
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I cant find it via an archive search but someone already did this 7-10 years ago. It was a wildcat develope to shoot the largest .35 bullets subsonic because they would perform a WHOLE lot better than the hvy jacketed 200gr 30cals would.
I remember it was about the time the 300 whisper/BO was getting popular As far as the WSSM comment...true some just dont catch on. Its ALL marketing and hype. I have an Olympic arms 25wssm and its unreal. Everyone talked crap about it but its sub moa and has rang 1000m steel so much that the barrel throat is getting worn. According to this website the bolt should have blown up and killed my dog and started a plague 1800rds ago......224 Valkyrie roflmao ...the answer to a question that was already answered.....all market hype. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 10:31:16 AM EDT
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The same Winchester that brought out all the WSM and WSSM cartridges? how many of those are still around? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Good on Winchester, sounds promising hopefully this catches on better than most .35s do here in the states.....they don't die but are usually relegated to Cult cartridges |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:04:21 PM EDT
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Winchester didn't anticipate people would think this may be good for an AR?
So they just accidentally chose a case length that perfectly fit a standard AR lower, chose to base it on 223 so all it should require to work in an AR is a barrel change and maybe mags? Compare it to the 450 BM which was specifically made for an AR? If anything the cartridge seems to be tailor made for the AR platform. Could they really be that naive to do all of that completely on accident? It really doesn't matter the market will provide either way , someone's probably working on barrels and mags as we speak lol. I'm the other way on this cartridge though Im very curious about its short barrel performance. People seem to like 8 or so for 300 black, could this go shorter and maye not have as much blast or is that wishful thinking on my part. I was considering a 9mm ar pistol for defense purposes something with around a 6 inch or shorter barrel, perfect for 9mm but terrible for anything bigger really. Im wondering if this, with some tweaking could be reliable in a barrel that short and not be as brutal with blast and noise as something like 300 black. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:12:54 PM EDT
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Winchester didn't anticipate people would think this may be good for an AR? So they just accidentally chose a case length that perfectly fit a standard AR lower, chose to base it on 223 so all it should require to work in an AR is a barrel change and maybe mags? Compare it to the 450 BM which was specifically made for an AR? If anything the cartridge seems to be tailor made for the AR platform. Could they really be that naive to do all of that completely on accident? It really doesn't matter the market will provide either way , someone's probably working on barrels and mags as we speak lol. I'm the other way on this cartridge though Im very curious about its short barrel performance. People seem to like 8 or so for 300 black, could this go shorter and maye not have as much blast or is that wishful thinking on my part. I was considering a 9mm ar pistol for defense purposes something with around a 6 inch or shorter barrel, perfect for 9mm but terrible for anything bigger really. Im wondering if this, with some tweaking could be reliable in a barrel that short and not be as brutal with blast and noise as something like 300 black. I guess I'll just have to be patient. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The same Winchester that brought out all the WSM and WSSM cartridges? how many of those are still around? Now if I can find a way to reload it 
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:29:06 PM EDT
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I'm not sure but this should be compatible with 9mm cans too right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds interesting, however, the appeal with 300 BLK is using suppressors. Not a lot of suppressors for handling .35 Cal. Hybrid or whatever it is from Griffin... Once you have a .46 cal suppressor you can suppress lots of other big bores, so it kinda makes sense. Then sell em a so he shot 50BMG from Serbu for $1100. Lots of lightweight 9mm cans are specifically designed to handle 9mm pistol pressures. Shooting a rifle through them may result in undesired results. Ask the can manufacturer first. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:30:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's actually a good selling point considering the amount of kabooms I see posted these days. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:42:14 PM EDT
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Oh hell yes, I want one right now. Mark! Get the chamber specs and get barrels to market asap please.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 12:43:40 PM EDT
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I hope it fares better than all the WSSM fails. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:29:14 PM EDT
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My brother used to have a 223 WSSM. that thing was like a laser beam. Freaky looking little cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I hope it fares better than all the WSSM fails. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:29:26 PM EDT
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I can see how it would be easy to do. My 300blk was a 5.56 for 10 years. The only difference now is that it has a vortex 1 - 6 on it instead of an eotech. I just don’t let the ammo get any where near each other. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: That's actually a good selling point considering the amount of kabooms I see posted these days. A recent full auto vid said somehow one BLK magically found it's way into a mag of 556  .
At the very least 350 is not going to chamber. Also this looks like you could get a nearly 300gr pill coming out subsonic. Which sounds fun to me 
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Posted: 1/23/2019 1:39:51 PM EDT
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All very terue but here's the stupid part. In IA I am limited to straight wall rounds...for deer. If I want to shoot coyotes with a longrange bottleneck no problem. If I want to turn a yote inside out .338 Lapua would be legal. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:09:44 PM EDT
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IF this new round works well in an AR platform, it will probably do better than the WSSM line.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 2:22:46 PM EDT
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Do we have the ballistics on these yet?
So I hear is a tad longer than 357 maximum. I think I want one now. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:00:54 PM EDT
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CMMG's Newest caliber - 350 Legend
Introducing CMMG's newest AR in 350 Legend https://youtu.be/ZAMlRRwtEAo  CMMG 350 Legend 
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Posted: 1/23/2019 3:47:44 PM EDT
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The new Brownells 25 round Prototype mag might work. It's straight like a 20. If the cartridge really takes off, maybe Magpul would make a dedicated mag for it. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:04:47 PM EDT
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CMMG's Newest caliber - 350 Legend Introducing CMMG's newest AR in 350 Legend https://youtu.be/ZAMlRRwtEAo  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAMlRRwtEAo |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 4:38:33 PM EDT
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CMMG's Newest caliber - 350 Legend Introducing CMMG's newest AR in 350 Legend https://youtu.be/ZAMlRRwtEAo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAMlRRwtEAohttps://www.cmmginc.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/CMMG-350-Legend-Shot-2019.jpg Thanks for showing us that AR related things are happening with this cartridge, but can we get some more details here? I don't see a product page for this yet on your site. The mags are different, but are there any other parts differences (other than the barrel)? Are there capacity issues? |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 5:09:01 PM EDT
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Things are starting to get interesting now
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Posted: 1/23/2019 5:24:40 PM EDT
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Oh look, 350 specific magazines magically appeared.
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Posted: 1/23/2019 6:02:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @CMMG Thanks for showing us that AR related things are happening with this cartridge, but can we get some more details here? I don't see a product page for this yet on your site. The mags are different, but are there any other parts differences (other than the barrel)? Are there capacity issues? A barrel swap and caliber specific mag are the only differences. We have found that the 10 round mags work the best, the round tends to feed more reliably out of the straight body mag and does require a modified mag. Production parts are on order and we are looking at a March or April launch. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 6:19:33 PM EDT
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We do not have a product page setup at this time, this will be something we hope to change in the near future. This will be built on our Resolute platform and pricing with specs should be released in the next couple weeks. A barrel swap and caliber specific mag are the only differences. We have found that the 10 round mags work the best, the round tends to feed more reliably out of the straight body mag and does require a modified mag. Production parts are on order and we are looking at a March or April launch. |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 6:29:30 PM EDT
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A barrel swap and caliber specific mag are the only differences. We have found that the 10 round mags work the best, the round tends to feed more reliably out of the straight body mag and does require a modified mag. . |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 6:30:23 PM EDT
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Interesting...would definitely be popular in areas that only allow straight wall rifle cases for hunting. Sort of want because reasons... |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 6:37:41 PM EDT
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Would a Grendel mag work?
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Posted: 1/23/2019 6:57:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not your fault but 10 round mags are disappointing. I was really hoping for at least 20 with the size of the cartridge. With that small a capacity id almost rather for 450BM Sure would be sweet if Magpul would start making straight 20 rounders again... |
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Posted: 1/23/2019 7:04:26 PM EDT
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Dammit, I just bought a 45-70 for deer hunting. Looks like I'm going to be adding another caliber to the stable soon.
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Posted: 1/24/2019 3:00:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/24/2019 3:02:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryAre you serious? Scroll up.
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Posted: 1/24/2019 3:09:23 AM EDT
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"Worlds fastest straight-walled cartridge"?
Lol, someone forgot elephant guns exist. Some of the loads for those are stupid-fast. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 4:23:41 AM EDT
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Not only that, but in my experience with .30 Carbine, (similar straight cartridge) it is necessary to trim. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone that makes note about a cartridge that doesn't need trimming Is it really that hard? |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 9:51:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any data on short barrel performance. Also will you be selling the barrels and mags separate by March/April? |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 9:59:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't read all the pages, but where does this cartridge headspace? |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 10:12:59 AM EDT
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Deer hunting and heavy bullet subsonic (ala' Soviet VSS) is where this will shine.
Hopefully the rifling twist is fast enough to deal with 200-300gr projectiles. |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 10:29:49 AM EDT
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Our testing has been limited to only the 16" barrels at this time. Mags, barrels, upper groups and rifles will be released at the same time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Any data on short barrel performance. Also will you be selling the barrels and mags separate by March/April? |
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Posted: 1/24/2019 10:44:46 AM EDT
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@CMMG, what twist are the barrels you're using? |
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