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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:08:44 PM EDT
[#1]
Because they don’t know any better.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:09:14 PM EDT
[#2]
Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:09:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they don't know any better.   |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:10:27 PM EDT
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The meltdown in this thread should be epic. NI!
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:10:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us. Not really, David Petraeus told people what was going in open testimony before Congress (granted he didn't use classified materiel). Snowden could have gone public to the NYT or WaPo. He could have had the same balls as Daniel Ellsburg. He could have fled the US without the computer data instead of handing it off to the Russians and Chinese. How much of what Assange does is a disinformation operation? Why do people cheer a foreign intelligence operative? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:14:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us. I only wish Trump would have pardoned them both. Someone here said in a thread that Trump did not pardon them because Turtle threatened to pursue impeachment in the Senate. No proof was provided, however, that Turtle said this. Also, is there a statute of limitations under law for Snowden and Assange? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:15:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The meltdown in this thread should be epic. NI! Snowden threads around here pit brother against brother. The Snowden haters are wrong though. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:16:23 PM EDT
[#9]
No, they fled to avoid prosecution and that puts the kibosh on any statute of limitations.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:17:32 PM EDT
[#10]
Assange is perhaps the world’s greatest advocate for free speech and freedom of the press.
Snowden exposed unbelievable criminality and abuse of citizens’ rights at the hands of their own government. Whatever else you might say of him, that outweighs it IMO. Stop blaming everything on Russia, you sound like a goddamn democrat. INB4 Josh yells at us to read the HPSCI report in Snowden? Because I have, it’s garbage, just like every disgusting swamp creature in Washington. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:18:33 PM EDT
[#11]
Dread pirate roberts should not be in prison for life.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:18:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snowden threads around here pit brother against brother. The Snowden haters are wrong though. He's a punk and a chump. He was likely played by an entrenched agent and used as a bagman for a higher placed mole. He probably regrets every day of his life sitting in Russia. I hope he ends up as miserable as Kim Philby. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:19:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dread pirate roberts should not be in prison for life. Agreed. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:20:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop blaming everything on Russia, you sound like a goddamn democrat. LOL Where did Snowden end up? Who paid Assange for decades? They're agents and idiots. ETA Correct conjugation |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:20:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:20:24 PM EDT
[#16]
Better question...
Why does the OP trust what the govt says about Assange and Snowden? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:20:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dread pirate roberts should not be in prison for life. Isn't that the guy that ran Pirate Bay? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:21:18 PM EDT
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Heroes of the people. Traitors to the establishment. Simple as.
Don't forget Ulbricht either. 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:21:25 PM EDT
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Because the news would have been bigger then pee pads and knee pads coronation.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:21:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Assange is perhaps the world's greatest advocate for free speech and freedom of the press. Snowden exposed unbelievable criminality and abuse of citizens' rights at the hands of their own government. Whatever else you might say of him, that outweighs it IMO. Stop blaming everything on Russia, you sound like a goddamn democrat. INB4 Josh yells at us to read the HPSCI report in Snowden? Because I have, it's garbage, just like every disgusting swamp creature in Washington. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:22:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I only wish Trump would have pardoned them both. Someone here said in a thread that Trump did not pardon them because Turtle threatened to pursue impeachment in the Senate. No proof was provided, however, that Turtle said this. Also, is there a statute of limitations under law for Snowden and Assange? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us. I only wish Trump would have pardoned them both. Someone here said in a thread that Trump did not pardon them because Turtle threatened to pursue impeachment in the Senate. No proof was provided, however, that Turtle said this. Also, is there a statute of limitations under law for Snowden and Assange? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:22:19 PM EDT
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Snowden = wrong thing for the right reasons.
Assange = right thing for the right reasons. The charges against him are nothing less than fake. If you got a problem with someone sharing information that he didn't initially obtain, you got a brain problem. Ideas and information are not illegal. Neither of them are evil, UNLIKE SOME PARDONED RECENTLY. Snowden is fine where he is. He did the American public a service ultimately I think, but he's fine where he is. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:22:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they fled to avoid prosecution and that puts the kibosh on any statute of limitations. In that case Snowden better stay in Russia then. I'd rather be there anyway than face our fair, impartial, and excellent US Department of Justice. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:27:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that the guy that ran Pirate Bay? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Dread pirate roberts should not be in prison for life. Isn't that the guy that ran Pirate Bay? Silk road. Ebay for drugs. He didn't sell drugs, just made a tor site to facilitate illegal transactions. 26 years old at the time and he will die in prison. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:28:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's a punk and a chump. He was likely played by an entrenched agent and used as a bagman for a higher placed mole. He probably regrets every day of his life sitting in Russia. I hope he ends up as miserable as Kim Philby. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Snowden threads around here pit brother against brother. The Snowden haters are wrong though. He's a punk and a chump. He was likely played by an entrenched agent and used as a bagman for a higher placed mole. He probably regrets every day of his life sitting in Russia. I hope he ends up as miserable as Kim Philby. Russia would not be a bad place to live, especially in large cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and maybe Ufa. Excellent food, parks, fishing, movies, restaurants, hot women, and believe it or not, guns are available there. Better than getting fucked in United States courts. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:31:01 PM EDT
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If Hilary walks, everyone walks
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:32:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: Assange is a Russian agent. Snowden is a spy for a foreign power. Neither of these |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:33:22 PM EDT
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As much as I hate what Snowden did, I hate the big.gov leaders who made it necessary.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:33:31 PM EDT
[#29]
Well, they're cop-haters as well.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:33:45 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn't that the guy that ran Pirate Bay? Silk Road |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:34:44 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us. Or did you miss that part op? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:34:49 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Whistle blowers or spies, hmmmmm. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us. Snowden IS a Russian citizen and has unconditionally pledged his loyalty to Russia. That’s kind of a “clue.” |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:35:30 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted: Assange is a Russian agent. Snowden is a spy for a foreign power. Neither of these guys are heroes. Yeah, and what about all the corrupt politicians and fraudsters that he pardoned? How much worse can it be? |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:37:02 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really, David Petraeus told people what was going in open testimony before Congress (granted he didn't use classified materiel). Snowden could have gone public to the NYT or WaPo. He could have had the same balls as Daniel Ellsburg. He could have fled the US without the computer data instead of handing it off to the Russians and Chinese. How much of what Assange does is a disinformation operation? Why do people cheer a foreign intelligence operative? Because we can't cheer for ours?
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:37:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, they're cop-haters as well. GD has never been especially fond of book licking either, especially since the whole covid-justified steamrolling of the constitution and a bunch of cops just following orders. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:37:12 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Better question... Why does the OP trust what the govt says about Assange and Snowden? BAM! Fucking nailed it. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:37:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Snowden IS a Russian citizen and has unconditionally pledged his loyalty to Russia. That’s kind of a “clue.” You say that in every single one of these Snowden threads and have yet to provide proof.  |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:38:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia would not be a bad place to live, especially in large cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and maybe Ufa. Excellent food, parks, fishing, movies, restaurants, hot women, and believe it or not, guns are available there. Better than getting fucked in United States courts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Snowden threads around here pit brother against brother. The Snowden haters are wrong though. He's a punk and a chump. He was likely played by an entrenched agent and used as a bagman for a higher placed mole. He probably regrets every day of his life sitting in Russia. I hope he ends up as miserable as Kim Philby. Russia would not be a bad place to live, especially in large cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and maybe Ufa. Excellent food, parks, fishing, movies, restaurants, hot women, and believe it or not, guns are available there. Better than getting fucked in United States courts. I mean...not so much on the guns part (shotguns fairly easy, rifles take years, pistols no go....legally anyway - I've heard rumors of being able to get MP40s and Papashas if you know the right farmer out in the hinterlands)But yeah, living in SPB or Moscow wouldn't be bad except for shit medical care. Food is top notch, so are the parks and outdoors stuff. Anyway, I'm with you. These guys exposed crimes committed by our government against us. RR_Broccoli's post above I think is a fair summary. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:39:54 PM EDT
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One thing I can count on is if the government says somebody is bad it’s definitely true.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:41:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BAM! Fucking nailed it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Better question... Why does the OP trust what the govt says about Assange and Snowden? BAM! Fucking nailed it. 
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:42:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they revealed crimes committed against all of us. People forget, or don’t want to acknowledge, that Snowden didn’t just out domestic intelligence operations, he also outed a lot of intelligence operations against hostile foreign powers and put many operatives’ lives at risk and cut off crucial sources of intelligence. Revealing the former doesn’t give him a pass for also revealing the latter. Assange put out anything and everything that could make America look bad. That was his mission. We wasn’t speaking for us, or protecting us against our government, his mission was to embarrass and weaken America. Most of the stuff he posted had nothing to do with domestic stuff. Again, the little he did reveal that might be popular here hardly makes up for all of the other stuff that he put out to damage America. People just look at a small slice of what they actually put out and decided they are heroes, and ignore the rest. Both need to answer for their crimes. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:43:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia would not be a bad place to live, especially in large cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and maybe Ufa. Excellent food, parks, fishing, movies, restaurants, hot women, and believe it or not, guns are available there. Better than getting fucked in United States courts. Yah, living under a communist dictatorship where 50% of the economy is controlled by organized crime oligarchies sounds like a barrel of laughs. Enjoy your one bedroom apartment and cat food
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:45:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yah, living under a communist dictatorship where 50% of the economy is controlled by organized crime oligarchies sounds like a barrel of laughs. Enjoy your one bedroom apartment and cat food  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:45:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yah, living under a communist dictatorship where 50% of the economy is controlled by organized crime oligarchies sounds like a barrel of laughs. Enjoy your one bedroom apartment and cat food Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia would not be a bad place to live, especially in large cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and maybe Ufa. Excellent food, parks, fishing, movies, restaurants, hot women, and believe it or not, guns are available there. Better than getting fucked in United States courts. Yah, living under a communist dictatorship where 50% of the economy is controlled by organized crime oligarchies sounds like a barrel of laughs. Enjoy your one bedroom apartment and cat food The economy there is fucked and getting worse. They're not even close to communist though. Not sure what the cat food comment is about. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:47:41 PM EDT
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Lol, majority here defend Trump, but want those two to rot in hell.
Some if not most of the stuff said about them can be said for trump. (Ps, I voted for trump and I’m in seat 87 of the trump train so suck it.) |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:47:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You say that in every single one of these Snowden threads and have yet to provide proof. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Snowden IS a Russian citizen and has unconditionally pledged his loyalty to Russia. That’s kind of a “clue.” You say that in every single one of these Snowden threads and have yet to provide proof. It's not like he had much of a choice since his own country would love nothing more than to imprison him for life for revealing their illegal activities and Trump didn't have the balls to pardon him. Snowden is one of those gray area subjects, Assange is not, he's been railroaded from the start because he pissed off the powers that be. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:53:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia would not be a bad place to live, especially in large cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and maybe Ufa. Excellent food, parks, fishing, movies, restaurants, hot women, and believe it or not, guns are available there. Better than getting fucked in United States courts. Traditionally, western defectors hate living there. Seriously, look up Philby, Burgess, and Maclean. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:54:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If Hilary walks, everyone walks That's a reasonable position and certainly a Machiavellian one. |
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:55:37 PM EDT
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some people believe in free speech and don't think it's ok for the government to simply not tell you about what they're doing in hopes that sweeping it under the rug makes it more acceptable.
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Posted: 1/20/2021 6:56:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Traditionally, western defectors hate living there. Seriously, look up Philby, Burgess, and Maclean. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia would not be a bad place to live, especially in large cities like Moscow, Saint Petersburg, and maybe Ufa. Excellent food, parks, fishing, movies, restaurants, hot women, and believe it or not, guns are available there. Better than getting fucked in United States courts. Traditionally, western defectors hate living there. Seriously, look up Philby, Burgess, and Maclean. It would fully depend on if you had to work and live off the economy or if you had more. If you made $40-50k or so you could live quite nicely in the big cities- again, with the exception of medical care and of course you're living in a form of dictatorship. |
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