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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:04:48 PM EDT
[#1]
lol, no...
...its all about the money |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:05:13 PM EDT
[#2]
Failed starting premise. Conservatives don’t oppose it.
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:06:40 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, no... ...its all about the money yep |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:06:51 PM EDT
[#4]
America should not be involved. Let the commies fight the commies. And we worry about fixing our own shit.
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:11:43 PM EDT
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I don't want to live in Central America. Don't spend money on the US military even until we secure the border. If Ukraine defeats Russia and we become Central America or Brazil, what does that do for us? Just disband the military if we aren't going to secure the border, let alone worry about Russia invading Russia Junior.
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:14:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Lets put America first
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:14:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: America should not be involved. Let the commies fight the commies. And we worry about fixing our own shit. Yep. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:14:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: “For us, the greatest stake in this Russia-Ukraine war is not who ends up in control of Luhansk, Donetsk or Kherson, but that we not be drawn into a military conflict that would put us on the escalator to a war with Russia, a world war and perhaps a nuclear war. The issue with this is that appeasement doesn’t fucking work. We tried it in WWII. All it does is embolden jackasses to push for more. You do what needs to be done now, with proxies so you don’t have to go toe to toe with them directly later on, which would carry a much greater chance of world war and or nukes. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:16:12 PM EDT
[#9]
War is hell, I hope it ends soon for all soldiers involved, fuck the Russian government, but their 18 year olds can’t help where they were born or conscripted.
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:22:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lets put America first We can't afford security for our schools. Hell, we can't afford to maintain basic infrastructure. But we can somehow afford endless foreign conflicts. I don't have a dog in the Russia-Ukraine fight. Until we get serious about America First, I find it hard to give a shit. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:25:51 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Failed starting premise. Conservatives don't oppose it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Failed starting premise. Conservatives don't oppose it. https://www.newsweek.com/real-conservatives-are-anti-war-ukraine-exposing-real-divide-gop-opinion-1673297 And the episode is exposing a story that we've been getting wrong for a while now: We've somehow convinced ourselves that it's conservatives who are the warmongers and liberals who love peace. It's because of how our parties have shifted on the issue. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:26:15 PM EDT
[#12]
Unless you want a shit global economy wrecked by foreign wars, Putin has to lose badly in Ukraine. Hopefully the Ruskies can get rid of him before this conflict reduces them to a minor world power.
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:31:18 PM EDT
[#13]
No..
Its simple. We are spending billions, to prop up a corrupt government, in order to fight a different corrupt government we dont like. We only "care" because they've been laundering money for DC elites. Thats it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:31:31 PM EDT
[#14]
Most conservatives support Ukraine's war, only a handful of loudmouths object.
The same applies to the leftists. A minority with megaphones get media coverage |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:33:01 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most conservatives support Ukraine's war, only a handful of loudmouths object. The same applies to the leftists. A minority with megaphones get media coverage Project harder |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:33:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We can't afford border security. We can't afford security for our schools. Hell, we can't afford to maintain basic infrastructure. But we can somehow afford endless foreign conflicts. I don't have a dog in the Russia-Ukraine fight. Until we get serious about America First, I find it hard to give a shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lets put America first We can't afford security for our schools. Hell, we can't afford to maintain basic infrastructure. But we can somehow afford endless foreign conflicts. I don't have a dog in the Russia-Ukraine fight. Until we get serious about America First, I find it hard to give a shit.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:33:59 PM EDT
[#17]
I dont care
Fuck Putin more than Fuck Zelensky. Putin's actions cost the lives of hundreds of thousands. 10,000 non-combatants massacred in Bucha. I am ok with letting Ukrainians kill as many Russians as possible. I hope they both go to shit, but Russia first. We should have ended the Russian threat in 45. Just don't send American forces to fight. AND NO GOD DAMN NATION BUILDING OR SPREADING DEMOCRACY. After the war, let Europe clean it up. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:35:13 PM EDT
[#18]
This conservative doesn’t.
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:40:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most conservatives support Ukraine's war, only a handful of loudmouths object. The same applies to the leftists. A minority with megaphones get media coverage 
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:40:25 PM EDT
[#20]
We haven't given Ukraine a "blank check". We aren't sending pallets of cash like Obama sent to Iran. We're sending weapons from out stock and paying to replace those weapons.
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:40:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This conservative doesn't. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:42:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: America should not be involved. Let the commies fight the commies. And we worry about fixing our own shit. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:42:45 PM EDT
[#23]
Uniparty yay
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:42:50 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some social conservatives might support it, zero fiscal conservatives do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This conservative doesn't. Get both. It’s like spending $10 today to save $100 tomorrow. That’s the beauty of proxy wars. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:43:57 PM EDT
[#25]
Vietnam war, Republicans being unpatriotic by not supporting the war more. Vietnam war later, Republicans are evil for sending kids to die to protect rich peoples investments. Later Republicans are evil for objecting to democrats efforts to send aid money to countries around Vietnam to hunt down South Vietnamese that had escaped when South Vietnam fell and send them back to Vietnam.
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:46:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get both. It’s like spending $10 today to save $100 tomorrow. That’s the beauty of proxy wars. This too Waiting to fight after Putin has Ukraine, half of Poland, the baltics, etc. is just dumb and more expensive. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:47:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get both. It's like spending $10 today to save $100 tomorrow. That's the beauty of proxy wars. Supporting the continued billions on this war and claiming to be fiscally conservative is about as valid as a natural born male claiming to be a woman. But definitions don't mean anything anymore, so you do you queen. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:47:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vietnam war, Republicans being unpatriotic by not supporting the war more. Vietnam war later, Republicans are evil for sending kids to die to protect rich peoples investments. Later Republicans are evil for objecting to democrats efforts to send aid money to countries around Vietnam to hunt down South Vietnamese that had escaped when South Vietnam fell and send them back to Vietnam. Republicans abolished slavery, voted for women's suffrage, and passed the civil rights reforms of the 1960s. It really goes to show that propaganda can do anything when there are millions of idiots who believe they are literally Hitler and warmongering bigots |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:48:51 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This too Waiting to fight after Putin has Ukraine, half of Poland, the baltics, etc. is just dumb and more expensive. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:49:03 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless you want a shit global economy wrecked by foreign wars, Putin has to lose badly in Ukraine. Hopefully the Ruskies can get rid of him before this conflict reduces them to a minor world power. Look at my country dawg, we all doomed Post WW2 world order ?? conservatives conserving nothing |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:49:50 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Failed starting premise. Conservatives don’t oppose it. Coc 6~justsayin |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:51:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This too Waiting to fight after Putin has Ukraine, half of Poland, the baltics, etc. is just dumb and more expensive. After he couldn’t get through Ukraine before US support, right…… |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:52:15 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most conservatives support Ukraine's war, only a handful of loudmouths object. The same applies to the leftists. A minority with megaphones get media coverage By "loudmouths", do you mean those too loud for your comfort level? |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:54:03 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: After he couldn’t get through Ukraine before US support, right…… We were supporting Ukraine from day one. Foolish to think otherwise and without our support, putin would have beat Ukraine. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:54:42 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I dont care Fuck Putin more than Fuck Zelensky. Putin's actions cost the lives of hundreds of thousands. 10,000 non-combatants massacred in Bucha. I am ok with letting Ukrainians kill as many Russians as possible. I hope they both go to shit, but Russia first. We should have ended the Russian threat in 45. Just don't send American forces to fight. AND NO GOD DAMN NATION BUILDING OR SPREADING DEMOCRACY. After the war, let Europe clean it up. We nation build out of our own self-interest. We think propping up better guys over worse guys serves the national interest. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. We haven’t been attacked militarily by Japan since WW2. Afghanistan? Not so much. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:55:32 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine actually believing this lmao That is Putin's own words. He has wanted to rebuild the USSR for 2 decades. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:55:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Coc 6~justsayin Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Failed starting premise. Conservatives don’t oppose it. Coc 6~justsayin  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:56:16 PM EDT
[#38]
I oppose it also.
Russia should go home back to Russia. Not Ukraine. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:56:46 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: By "loudmouths", do you mean too loud for your comfort level? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Most conservatives support Ukraine's war, only a handful of loudmouths object. The same applies to the leftists. A minority with megaphones get media coverage By "loudmouths", do you mean too loud for your comfort level? Anyone who gives Putin a pass for murdering his neighbors, stealing their property and raping men, women and children are loudmouths. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:57:20 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Failed starting premise. Conservatives don’t oppose it. interesting. who doesn't oppose it? i haven't seen a conservative yet for it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:57:34 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We nation build out of our own self-interest. We think propping up better guys over worse guys serves the national interest. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. We haven’t been attacked militarily by Japan since WW2. Afghanistan? Not so much. Japan is a different animal all together. Without the Emperor's orders to work with the US, the Japanese people would have died before surrendering taking a million allies with them. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:57:47 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The issue with this is that appeasement doesn’t fucking work. We tried it in WWII. All it does is embolden jackasses to push for more. You do what needs to be done now, with proxies so you don’t have to go toe to toe with them directly later on, which would carry a much greater chance of world war and or nukes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: “For us, the greatest stake in this Russia-Ukraine war is not who ends up in control of Luhansk, Donetsk or Kherson, but that we not be drawn into a military conflict that would put us on the escalator to a war with Russia, a world war and perhaps a nuclear war. The issue with this is that appeasement doesn’t fucking work. We tried it in WWII. All it does is embolden jackasses to push for more. You do what needs to be done now, with proxies so you don’t have to go toe to toe with them directly later on, which would carry a much greater chance of world war and or nukes. I get that I guess it comes down to what you think Russias future ambitions really are. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:58:16 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: interesting. who doesn't oppose it? i haven't seen a conservative yet for it. get out of your circle jerks. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:58:25 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who gives Putin a pass for murdering his neighbors, stealing their property and raping men, women and children are loudmouths. Your base on knowledge is LOL. You are brainwashed. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 10:58:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We can't afford border security. We can't afford security for our schools. Hell, we can't afford to maintain basic infrastructure. But we can somehow afford endless foreign conflicts. I don't have a dog in the Russia-Ukraine fight. Until we get serious about America First, I find it hard to give a shit. We had money for border and school security prior to the war? Or is it a political matter? |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 11:04:22 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Failed starting premise. Conservatives don’t oppose it. Correct, don’t oppose it but don’t want to fund it. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 11:04:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We had money for border and school security prior to the war? Or is it a political matter? |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 11:05:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/1/2023 11:05:48 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This too Waiting to fight after Putin has Ukraine, half of Poland, the baltics, etc. is just dumb and more expensive. This. There is no “true conservative” position in these conflicts. We live in a global context which is much smaller (and thus more complex) than the 1700’s. Every single action or inaction globally has domestic ramifications. Isolationism is an anachronistic pipe dream of the right. Drug wars and corruption in Central America make smuggling illegals into the US a big business. You can fight that war on two fronts at the same time...at our border and in Central America. Both fronts serve American interests. But bleeding hearts will also advocate for action in Central America for humanitarian reasons. So the action isn’t objectively conservative or liberal. The motivations are. There was a time when America could stand back and watch bemused as European powers ducked it out. That pretty much ended with the 20th century. Nuclear power, long range strategic force projection, a global economy, internet access...all these things blur the lines between the foreign and domestic policy concepts. |
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Posted: 2/1/2023 11:06:06 PM EDT
[#50]
Ah yes another thread where a select group of members post snarky shit in hopes to get other members in trouble.
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