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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:03:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Everybody buys into "fossill fuels?"
Hmmm..... |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:08:13 PM EDT
[#2]
Might help if you share details of a theory no one know about..
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:08:51 PM EDT
[#3]
2,000 Alex.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:10:15 PM EDT
[#4]
We've done this thread before. About as believable as the earth being 6,000 years old.
It was goofy then, it's goofy now. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:10:43 PM EDT
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The only places I've ever seen such taken seriously are YEC outlets like Answers in Genesis.
When I looked into it briefly it seems they can tell what organisms the oil comes from, so... |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:11:28 PM EDT
[#6]
I work in petroleum and I don’t know what you’re talking about OP.
But I’m kinda dumb anyways….. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:11:29 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Might help if you share details of a theory no one know about.. The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:13:31 PM EDT
[#8]
Where does the hydrogen and carbon come from that is being converted as fast or faster than it is being extracted?
What slowed the process before we started to extract it? |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:14:26 PM EDT
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I dont, because I’m not a basement dwelling conspiracy theorist retard.
You can see the process rather quickly if you visit any boggy area with decaying biomass… there is an obvious oil slick. As for the control of resources… it’s obvious what’s going on with these assholes. but the source of oil and gas is pretty simple. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:15:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where does the hydrogen and carbon come from that is being converted as fast or faster than it is being extracted? Hollow Earth, of course. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:15:25 PM EDT
[#11]
I think it does two things. It created an emotional issue for votes, and provides and opportunity to misappropriate funds.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hollow Earth, of course. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where does the hydrogen and carbon come from that is being converted as fast or faster than it is being extracted? Hollow Earth, of course. Mole people farts. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:15:50 PM EDT
[#13]
The term is 'abiogenic', not 'abiotic'.
And no, it's not credible. Deep rock samples show decreasing pore space with depth. This makes the deep microbial argument difficult to believe. If oil formed in the mantle, there would be large scale oil seepage along fault lines - particularly at oceanic rift zones. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:16:29 PM EDT
[#14]
I'm on the fence. Could be, could not be.
But we didn't stop using whale oil because we ran out of whales. We can turn sunlight into electricity without plants, pressure, or huge amounts of time. ETA: A biogenic source could be tiny, but still possible. Would it give us unlimited oil? Of course not. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:17:03 PM EDT
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How do you dismiss the composition of the hydrocarbons? Specifically the 13C isotope?
I can't get past that.  |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:17:17 PM EDT
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Quoted: I do. I'm of a mind to think the elites want oil shut down b/c of intense envy that its more or less endless supply lessens the distance b/t their opulent lifestyles and the lifestyles of the common man. And thus they give us the BS line about declining reserves and the need for "alternative" sources which will in the short term make them bank but in the long term will NEVER replace petro. I work for an organization that supports oil and gas research. I have heard this topic discussed a few times and basically there is no consensus on abiotic oil deposits either way. Most oil we extract has shown signs of biological origin, but not all. Geological oil, stuff formed withing the earth from geological processes may very well be possible. I'm not Rock Wizard and I don't profess to know their craft, just some conversations I have been privy to over the years. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:17:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The term is 'abiogenic', not 'abiotic'. And no, it's not credible. Hmmmm.....that username..... 
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:18:18 PM EDT
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Quoted: I do. I'm of a mind to think the elites want oil shut down b/c of intense envy that its more or less endless supply lessens the distance b/t their opulent lifestyles and the lifestyles of the common man. And thus they give us the BS line about declining reserves and the need for "alternative" sources which will in the short term make them bank but in the long term will NEVER replace petro. I think it’s more of a selfish desire to preserve the resources so they can keep their opulent lifestyle while the peasants take the bus and freeze in the cold. Wtf is this abiotic theory of petroleum origin, I’ve heard of the biogenic gas theory which is basically an excuse someone made up for why their decline curve model doesn’t work. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:18:38 PM EDT
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We already know about plate tectonics.
I am no geologist, but its not very far fetched. I doubt that oil is from giant fields of dead dinosaurs it is from vegetation, swamps and forests that have been subducted. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:18:45 PM EDT
[#20]
oil and natural gas is 100% dinosaur no question. anyone who says otherwise is stupid.
The science is settled. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:22:52 PM EDT
[#21]
I agree with the OP.
Dinosaurs my ass. It’s a “renewable” resource that the earth continues to produce. Scarcity is the model of control. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:23:07 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: oil and natural gas is 100% dinosaur no question. anyone who says otherwise is stupid. The science is settled. Well that’s certainly a term that went to shit during Covid. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:24:21 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with the OP. Dinosaurs my ass. It’s a “renewable” resource that the earth continues to produce. Scarcity is the model of control. No one said it was all dinosaurs. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:25:01 PM EDT
[#24]
I don't, mainly because I can't follow the logic.
Also, the people who expound this theory have an annoying habit of expounding really wacky shit like nuclear weapons are a hoax. 
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:25:38 PM EDT
[#25]
40+ years in the oil business. Don't buy the abiotic thing.
That being said, there is still a LOT of oil waiting to be used. People ask me, "how many years of oil do we have?". The correct answer is to ask, "at what price". We have been pretty good at producing more oil with improved technology (fracking, horizontal drilling, seismic surveying, etc.). No EV for me! |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:27:08 PM EDT
[#26]
Nobody with a brain.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:28:16 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree with the OP. Dinosaurs my ass. It’s a “renewable” resource that the earth continues to produce. Scarcity is the model of control. And again, nobody with a brain thinks crude oil comes from dinosaurs. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:31:09 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 40+ years in the oil business. Don't buy the abiotic thing. That being said, there is still a LOT of oil waiting to be used. People ask me, "how many years of oil do we have?". The correct answer is to ask, "at what price". We have been pretty good at producing more oil with improved technology (fracking, horizontal drilling, seismic surveying, etc.). No EV for me! Bingo! |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:32:08 PM EDT
[#29]
Its the black blood of the earth.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:32:39 PM EDT
[#30]
They don’t tell the truth about much of anything.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:32:54 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Might help if you share details of a theory no one know about.. The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs. So, what does it involve I'm curious? |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:33:38 PM EDT
[#32]
Where oil come from?
You see, organic matter, buried long ago, like dinosaurs, reefs, plant life..... Dinosaurs. Got it. And boom, John Q Public runs with it. It's complicated and we would all fall asleep even trying to sort through the definitions of the terminology used to describe the minutiae of the research. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:38:16 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one said it was all dinosaurs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree with the OP. Dinosaurs my ass. It’s a “renewable” resource that the earth continues to produce. Scarcity is the model of control. No one said it was all dinosaurs. You have to be at that level of ignorance to believe any of this. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:50:28 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, what does it involve I'm curious? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Might help if you share details of a theory no one know about.. The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs. So, what does it involve I'm curious? like a refinery. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:52:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I work for an organization that supports oil and gas research. I have heard this topic discussed a few times and basically there is no consensus on abiotic oil deposits either way. Most oil we extract has shown signs of biological origin, but not all. Geological oil, stuff formed withing the earth from geological processes may very well be possible. I'm not Rock Wizard and I don't profess to know their craft, just some conversations I have been privy to over the years. I think this is the correct answer. As to some of the other responses: 1) It's both abiotic and abiogenic. Take your pick 2) No one said the stuff is produced at every conceivable replacement level. It's entirely possible that supplies could be depleted. 3) There is no correlation at all to a 6,000 year old earth. I'm actually surprised at the level of ignorance related to this topic. Not stupidity tho there might be some posted here but rather, ignorance.As @Firearmsenthusiast stated, there is no consensus. It is an open question. But the vastness of reserves has to be taken into account and certainly "at what price" they can be tapped is key. A key point also is total pollyanna to believe that wind or solar will ever supply the world's energy needs. I served on a power company board for some time. It's oil, nuke, dam and natural gas or nothing. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:53:42 PM EDT
[#36]
Sounds like a load of bullshit that doesn't pass even the most basic smell test
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:54:14 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No one said it was all dinosaurs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree with the OP. Dinosaurs my ass. It's a "renewable" resource that the earth continues to produce. Scarcity is the model of control. No one said it was all dinosaurs. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:55:24 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: oil and natural gas is 100% dinosaur no question. anyone who says otherwise is stupid. The science is settled. Dinosaur or vegetation? |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:56:38 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Except schools with textbooks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree with the OP. Dinosaurs my ass. It's a "renewable" resource that the earth continues to produce. Scarcity is the model of control. No one said it was all dinosaurs. If they are, they need to be tossed. Dinosaurs never had the biomass to produce the reserves we had/have. Think much smaller. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:57:13 PM EDT
[#40]
Has anyone ever found any cellular breakdown material in raw petroleum? Seems to me that if its origin is organic, there should be some trace of the original organics left.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 5:59:24 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If they are, they need to be tossed. Dinosaurs never had the biomass to produce the reserves we had/have. Think much smaller. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree with the OP. Dinosaurs my ass. It's a "renewable" resource that the earth continues to produce. Scarcity is the model of control. No one said it was all dinosaurs. If they are, they need to be tossed. Dinosaurs never had the biomass to produce the reserves we had/have. Think much smaller. I have always assumed it was algae or similar. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:01:34 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have always assumed it was algae or similar. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree with the OP. Dinosaurs my ass. It's a "renewable" resource that the earth continues to produce. Scarcity is the model of control. No one said it was all dinosaurs. If they are, they need to be tossed. Dinosaurs never had the biomass to produce the reserves we had/have. Think much smaller. I have always assumed it was algae or similar. Correct. Diatoms. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:03:38 PM EDT
[#43]
I remain very open to the idea.
"Fossil" fuels is still just a theory. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:05:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs. No serious petrogeologist ever thought oil came from dinosaurs, it comes from fossil algae and plankton. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:05:36 PM EDT
[#45]
I refuse to use the term fossil fuels. To suppose that all the oil and natural gas in the earth is from dead dinosaurs is preposterous.
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:07:12 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I refuse to use the term fossil fuels. To suppose that all the oil and natural gas in the earth is from dead dinosaurs is preposterous.  That’s because it isn’t. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:09:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. Diatoms. The fossilized shells of Diatoms are mined locally here, Diatomaceous Earth. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:16:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fossilized shells of Diatoms are mined locally here, Diatomaceous Earth. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Correct. Diatoms. The fossilized shells of Diatoms are mined locally here, Diatomaceous Earth. Yep. They make up 50% of the biomass in our oceans right now. They create about 30% of the oxygen we breathe. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:21:59 PM EDT
[#49]
Weak case. Going with no until there’s a better argument.
Only in GD would the origin of petrochemicals be a conspiracy theory. |
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Posted: 9/22/2022 6:23:23 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We already know about plate tectonics. I am no geologist, but its not very far fetched. I doubt that oil is from giant fields of dead dinosaurs it is from vegetation, swamps and forests that have been subducted. Maybe a dash of dead dinosaur, and Reptilian Overlords.
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