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Posted: 9/22/2022 4:43:37 PM EDT
I do.

I'm of a mind to think the elites want oil shut down b/c of intense envy that its more or less endless supply lessens the distance b/t their opulent lifestyles and the lifestyles of the common man.

And thus they give us the BS line about declining reserves and the need for "alternative" sources which will in the short term make them bank but in the long term will NEVER replace petro.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:03:18 PM EDT
[#1]
Everybody buys into "fossill fuels?"

Hmmm.....

Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:08:13 PM EDT
[#2]
Might help if you share details of a theory no one know about..
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:08:51 PM EDT
[#3]
2,000 Alex.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:10:15 PM EDT
[#4]
We've done this thread before.  About as believable as the earth being 6,000 years old.

It was goofy then, it's goofy now.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:10:43 PM EDT
[#5]
The only places I've ever seen such taken seriously are YEC outlets like Answers in Genesis.

When I looked into it briefly it seems they can tell what organisms the oil comes from, so...
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:11:28 PM EDT
[#6]
I work in petroleum and I don’t know what you’re talking about OP.

But I’m kinda dumb anyways…..
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:11:29 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Madcat207:
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The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:13:31 PM EDT
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Where does the hydrogen and carbon come from that is being converted as fast or faster than it is being extracted?

What slowed the process before we started to extract it?
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:14:26 PM EDT
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I dont, because I’m not a basement dwelling conspiracy theorist retard.

You can see the process rather quickly if you visit any boggy area with decaying biomass… there is an obvious oil slick.

As for the control of resources… it’s obvious what’s going on with these assholes. but the source of oil and gas is pretty simple.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:15:05 PM EDT
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Hollow Earth, of course.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:15:25 PM EDT
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I think it does two things. It created an emotional issue for votes, and provides and opportunity to misappropriate funds.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:15:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MtnMusic:


Hollow Earth, of course.
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Originally Posted By Chadnutz:
Where does the hydrogen and carbon come from that is being converted as fast or faster than it is being extracted?


Hollow Earth, of course.

Mole people farts.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:15:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: governmentman] [#13]
The term is 'abiogenic', not 'abiotic'.

And no, it's not credible.

Deep rock samples show decreasing pore space with depth. This makes the deep microbial argument difficult to believe.

If oil formed in the mantle, there would be large scale oil seepage along fault lines - particularly at oceanic rift zones.

Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:16:29 PM EDT
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I'm on the fence. Could be, could not be.
But we didn't stop using whale oil because we ran out of whales.
We can turn sunlight into electricity without plants, pressure, or huge amounts of time.

ETA: A biogenic source could be tiny, but still possible. Would it give us unlimited oil? Of course not.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:17:03 PM EDT
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How do you dismiss the composition of the hydrocarbons? Specifically the 13C isotope?

I can't get past that.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:17:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By EVR:
I do.

I'm of a mind to think the elites want oil shut down b/c of intense envy that its more or less endless supply lessens the distance b/t their opulent lifestyles and the lifestyles of the common man.

And thus they give us the BS line about declining reserves and the need for "alternative" sources which will in the short term make them bank but in the long term will NEVER replace petro.
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I work for an organization that supports oil and gas research. I have heard this topic discussed a few times and basically there is no consensus on abiotic oil deposits either way. Most oil we extract has shown signs of biological origin, but not all. Geological oil, stuff formed withing the earth from geological processes may very well be possible.

I'm not Rock Wizard and I don't profess to know their craft, just some conversations I have been privy to over the years.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:17:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
The term is 'abiogenic', not 'abiotic'.

And no, it's not credible.
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Hmmmm.....that username.....
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:18:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By EVR:
I do.

I'm of a mind to think the elites want oil shut down b/c of intense envy that its more or less endless supply lessens the distance b/t their opulent lifestyles and the lifestyles of the common man.

And thus they give us the BS line about declining reserves and the need for "alternative" sources which will in the short term make them bank but in the long term will NEVER replace petro.
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I think it’s more of a selfish desire to preserve the resources so they can keep their opulent lifestyle while the peasants take the bus and freeze in the cold.

Wtf is this abiotic theory of petroleum origin, I’ve heard of the biogenic gas theory which is basically an excuse someone made up for why their decline curve model doesn’t work.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:18:38 PM EDT
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We already know about plate tectonics.  
I am no geologist, but its not very far fetched.  I doubt that oil is from giant fields of dead dinosaurs it is from vegetation, swamps and forests that have been subducted.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:18:45 PM EDT
[#20]
oil and natural gas is 100% dinosaur no question. anyone who says otherwise is stupid.
The science is settled.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:22:52 PM EDT
[#21]
I agree with the OP.

Dinosaurs my ass. It’s a “renewable” resource that the earth continues to produce.

Scarcity is the model of control.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:23:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
oil and natural gas is 100% dinosaur no question. anyone who says otherwise is stupid.
The science is settled.
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Well that’s certainly a term that went to shit during Covid.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:24:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Krauss:
I agree with the OP.

Dinosaurs my ass. It’s a “renewable” resource that the earth continues to produce.

Scarcity is the model of control.
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No one said it was all dinosaurs.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:25:01 PM EDT
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I don't, mainly because I can't follow the logic.

Also, the people who expound this theory have an annoying habit of expounding really wacky shit like nuclear weapons are a hoax.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:25:38 PM EDT
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40+ years in the oil business.  Don't buy the abiotic thing.

That being said, there is still a LOT of oil waiting to be used.

People ask me, "how many years of oil do we have?".

The correct answer is to ask, "at what price".

We have been pretty good at producing more oil with improved technology (fracking, horizontal drilling, seismic surveying, etc.).

No EV for me!
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:27:08 PM EDT
[#26]
Nobody with a brain.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:28:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Krauss:
I agree with the OP.

Dinosaurs my ass. It’s a “renewable” resource that the earth continues to produce.

Scarcity is the model of control.
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And again, nobody with a brain thinks crude oil comes from dinosaurs.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:31:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By DJPodratz:
40+ years in the oil business.  Don't buy the abiotic thing.

That being said, there is still a LOT of oil waiting to be used.

People ask me, "how many years of oil do we have?".

The correct answer is to ask, "at what price".


We have been pretty good at producing more oil with improved technology (fracking, horizontal drilling, seismic surveying, etc.).

No EV for me!
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Bingo!
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:32:08 PM EDT
[#29]
Its the black blood of the earth.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:32:39 PM EDT
[#30]
They don’t tell the truth about much of anything.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:32:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Xyster7212:

The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs.
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Originally Posted By Xyster7212:
Originally Posted By Madcat207:
Might help if you share details of a theory no one know about..

The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs.

So, what does it involve I'm curious?
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:33:38 PM EDT
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Where oil come from?

You see, organic matter, buried long ago, like dinosaurs, reefs, plant life.....

Dinosaurs. Got it.

And boom, John Q Public runs with it.

It's complicated and we would all fall asleep even trying to sort through the definitions of the terminology used to describe the minutiae of the research.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:38:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse:



No one said it was all dinosaurs.
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Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse:
Originally Posted By Krauss:
I agree with the OP.

Dinosaurs my ass. It’s a “renewable” resource that the earth continues to produce.

Scarcity is the model of control.



No one said it was all dinosaurs.

You have to be at that level of ignorance to believe any of this.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:50:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SAE:

So, what does it involve I'm curious?
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Originally Posted By SAE:
Originally Posted By Xyster7212:
Originally Posted By Madcat207:
Might help if you share details of a theory no one know about..

The theory in a nutshell: oil comes from a deep geological process that doesn't involve dead dinosaurs.

So, what does it involve I'm curious?
Hydrogen and carbon being exposed to heat and pressure.
like a refinery.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:52:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Firearmsenthusiast:


I work for an organization that supports oil and gas research. I have heard this topic discussed a few times and basically there is no consensus on abiotic oil deposits either way. Most oil we extract has shown signs of biological origin, but not all. Geological oil, stuff formed withing the earth from geological processes may very well be possible.

I'm not Rock Wizard and I don't profess to know their craft, just some conversations I have been privy to over the years.
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I think this is the correct answer.

As to some of the other responses:

1)  It's both abiotic and abiogenic. Take your pick
2)  No one said the stuff is produced at every conceivable replacement level.   It's entirely possible that supplies could be depleted.
3)  There is no correlation at all to a 6,000 year old earth.

I'm actually surprised at the level of ignorance related to this topic. Not stupidity tho there might be some posted here but rather, ignorance.

As @Firearmsenthusiast stated, there is no consensus.  It is an open question.  

But the vastness of reserves has to be taken into account and certainly "at what price" they can be tapped is key. A key point also is total pollyanna to believe that wind or solar will ever supply the world's energy needs.

I served on a power company board for some time.  It's oil, nuke, dam and natural gas or nothing.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:53:42 PM EDT
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Sounds like a load of bullshit that doesn't pass even the most basic smell test
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:54:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse:



No one said it was all dinosaurs.
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Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse:
Originally Posted By Krauss:
I agree with the OP.

Dinosaurs my ass. It's a "renewable" resource that the earth continues to produce.

Scarcity is the model of control.



No one said it was all dinosaurs.
Except schools with textbooks.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:55:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
oil and natural gas is 100% dinosaur no question. anyone who says otherwise is stupid.
The science is settled.
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Dinosaur or vegetation?
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:56:38 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
Except schools with textbooks.
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Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse:
Originally Posted By Krauss:
I agree with the OP.

Dinosaurs my ass. It's a "renewable" resource that the earth continues to produce.

Scarcity is the model of control.



No one said it was all dinosaurs.
Except schools with textbooks.

If they are, they need to be tossed. Dinosaurs never had the biomass to produce the reserves we had/have.

Think much smaller.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:57:13 PM EDT
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Has anyone ever found any cellular breakdown material in raw petroleum? Seems to me that if its origin is organic, there should be some trace of the original organics left.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:59:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SuperX925:

If they are, they need to be tossed. Dinosaurs never had the biomass to produce the reserves we had/have.

Think much smaller.
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Originally Posted By SuperX925:
Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse:
Originally Posted By Krauss:
I agree with the OP.

Dinosaurs my ass. It's a "renewable" resource that the earth continues to produce.

Scarcity is the model of control.



No one said it was all dinosaurs.
Except schools with textbooks.

If they are, they need to be tossed. Dinosaurs never had the biomass to produce the reserves we had/have.

Think much smaller.


I have always assumed it was algae or similar.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:01:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT:


I have always assumed it was algae or similar.
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Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT:
Originally Posted By SuperX925:
Originally Posted By AnticitizenOne:
Originally Posted By TheWhiteHorse:
Originally Posted By Krauss:
I agree with the OP.

Dinosaurs my ass. It's a "renewable" resource that the earth continues to produce.

Scarcity is the model of control.



No one said it was all dinosaurs.
Except schools with textbooks.

If they are, they need to be tossed. Dinosaurs never had the biomass to produce the reserves we had/have.

Think much smaller.


I have always assumed it was algae or similar.

Correct. Diatoms.

Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:03:38 PM EDT
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I remain very open to the idea.

"Fossil" fuels is still just a theory.

Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:05:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:05:36 PM EDT
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I refuse to use the term fossil fuels. To suppose that all the oil and natural gas in the earth is from dead dinosaurs is preposterous.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:07:12 PM EDT
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I refuse to use the term fossil fuels. To suppose that all the oil and natural gas in the earth is from dead dinosaurs is preposterous.
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That’s because it isn’t.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:09:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SuperX925:

Correct. Diatoms.

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The fossilized shells of Diatoms are mined locally here, Diatomaceous Earth.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:16:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MobileHomie:


The fossilized shells of Diatoms are mined locally here, Diatomaceous Earth.
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Originally Posted By MobileHomie:
Originally Posted By SuperX925:

Correct. Diatoms.



The fossilized shells of Diatoms are mined locally here, Diatomaceous Earth.

Yep. They make up 50% of the biomass in our oceans right now. They create about 30% of the oxygen we breathe.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:21:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TxRabbitBane] [#49]
Weak case. Going with no until there’s a better argument.

Only in GD would the origin of petrochemicals be a conspiracy theory.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:23:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MobileHomie:
We already know about plate tectonics.  
I am no geologist, but its not very far fetched.  I doubt that oil is from giant fields of dead dinosaurs it is from vegetation, swamps and forests that have been subducted.
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Maybe a dash of dead dinosaur, and Reptilian Overlords.
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