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Posted: 7/13/2020 4:02:41 PM EDT
White House goes public with attacks on Fauci
Tensions between the White House and Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious diseases expert, are spilling into the open as officials openly attack the doctor for his public health advice during the coronavirus pandemic. Fauci's advice has often run contrary to President Trump’s views, and the attacks on Fauci have begun to look like a traditional negative political campaign against an opponent. Yet this time, the opponent is a public health expert and career civil servant working within the administration. Dan Scavino, deputy chief of staff for communications, shared a cartoon on his Facebook page late Sunday that depicted Fauci as a faucet flushing the U.S. economy down the drain with overzealous health guidance to slow the spread of the pandemic. The cartoon, which shows Fauci declaring schools should remain closed and calling for “indefinite lockdowns,” did not accurately portray what Fauci has advised in public. Adm. Brett Giroir, the administration’s testing czar, downplayed any riff within the White House coronavirus task force before offering some criticism of Fauci. “I respect Dr. Fauci a lot, but Dr. Fauci is not 100 percent right and he also doesn't necessarily, and he admits that, have the whole national interest in mind,” Giroir told “Meet the Press” on Sunday. “He looks at it from a very narrow public health point of view.” There have been tensions between Trump and Fauci throughout the pandemic. The president has repeatedly downplayed the severity of the virus, broken with the advice of his own public health experts and painted rosy but at times misleading pictures of the U.S. response. Fauci, who has served four decades in his current post, has offered blunt talk on the dangers of the pandemic that has directly contradicted the president from time to time. But the latest criticisms mark a shift as the White House has begun publicly undermining one of the leading public health voices in the administration at a time when multiple states are struggling to get new outbreaks under control. White House trade adviser Peter Navarro, whom the president tapped to manage the use of the Defense Production Act, said he personally proceeds with caution before heeding Fauci’s advice. Trump said last week that Fauci is a nice man but that he's "made a lot of mistakes." A White House official this weekend sent media outlets a lengthy list of “mistakes” Fauci has made since the pandemic began, like his comment in March that there is no need for people to wear masks. That comment came before scientists knew people could spread the virus without showing symptoms, and Fauci, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other experts now urge people to use face coverings in public. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507027-white-house-goes-public-with-attacks-on-fauci Attached File |
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Fauci is a bureaucrat with a medical degree. He has no concept of how people in the real world live.
ChiCom ---> W.H.O. ---> Fauci. |
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Fauxi should have been fired after he contradicted himself for the 87th time.
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You would think that Trump would have solicited a 2nd. 3rd 4th and 5th opinion before destroying the US economy on the word of a lifer government hack with gross conflicts of interest with scum like Bill Gates
It seems very suspicious considering Trumps track record of being betrayed, set up, framed and persecuted by government lifers pursuing the previous administrations Marxist agenda. I’m not buying any of this... this shutting down of the economy, mandatory mask and social distancing bullshit is to condition and terrorize the public into accepting the Gates/Fauci depopulation, sterilization vaccination ... it sure as hell looks like Trump is playing all of us for suckers |
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one gets the feeling that had .gov insisted that as a whole the elderly, the infirm, those prone to upper resp infections stay home, had certain state governors not insisted on putting COVID patients in with non-COVID patients we might not have had to shut the whole thing down......had they treated this like a really, really, really, bad flu and insisted if you're sick stay home this could have all been avoided. .Gov got a real test case out of this. It tested its power to wreck the economy and it succeeded.
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Not a good look for Trump.
Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. |
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Fauci applying Westmoreland body count doctrine to the war on Covid 19 & Covid 19.5
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Quoted: You would think that Trump would have solicited a 2nd. 3rd 4th and 5th opinion before destroying the US economy on the word of a lifer government hack with gross conflicts of interest with scum like Bill Gates It seems very suspicious considering Trumps track record of being betrayed, set up, framed and persecuted by government lifers pursuing the previous administrations Marxist agenda. I’m not buying any of this... this shutting down of the economy, mandatory mask and social distancing bullshit is to condition and terrorize the public into accepting the Gates/Fauci depopulation, sterilization vaccination ... it sure as hell looks like Trump is playing all of us for suckers View Quote more likely it was TRump that was played by the Fauci/Gates/WHO team. But, imagine if you will what HRC's response would have been......one of her bestest buddies is Dr. Immanual |
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Fauci was quiet during the riots and only came back out as soon as the rallies started again. This guy is a fraud.
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a lot of people learned something this year
and it's that not all Doctors always do whats best for the care of people |
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Quoted: Not a good look for Trump. Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. View Quote When your "advisor" is blamed for the problems YOU were in charge of dealing with, it makes it seem as though you made him THE decider, rather than the advisor. Infectious disease experts are not economic experts. Nor are they mental heath experts. Nor are they National Security experts. Nor are they education experts. Assemble the experts, get all their input, then make your decisions, THEN take responsibility for the results. Manage expectations along the way. |
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He turned in to a political advocate as soon as he was put in the limelight.
He lied, a lot. Trump put his faith in to him to do it right and he abused that faith. Fuck Fauci. |
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Fauci is bad news. Agree with much of prior post.
Trump got rolled on this whole covid thing. Trump should have fired him long ago. The disturbing thing is how little power trump has or is willing to use. Covid a bad flu thats highly infectious. Should have quarantined the vunerable early on. Trump should have and now preach about isolating the vunerable. Fat, old and weak immune systems. |
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Quoted: When your "advisor" is blamed for the problems YOU were in charge of dealing with, it makes it seem as though you made him THE decider, rather than the advisor. Infectious disease experts are not economic experts. Nor are they mental heath experts. Assemble the experts, get all their input, then make your decisions, THEN take responsibility for the results. Manage expectations along the way. View Quote You get it. |
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Quoted: Not a good look for Trump. Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. View Quote Fuck that. The man was fake impeached based on bullshit developed by people that were supposed to be working for him. Drain the swamp includes career bureaucrats. |
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Quoted: Fuck that. The man was fake impeached based on bullshit developed by people that were supposed to be working for him. Drain the swamp includes career bureaucrats. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not a good look for Trump. Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. Fuck that. The man was fake impeached based on bullshit developed by people that were supposed to be working for him. Drain the swamp includes career bureaucrats. There comes a point where you have to take some responsibility for your own decisions. If you refuse to do so, you only prove you were never actually in charge. Trump's done nothing "wrong" regarding the Pandemic. But it IS and was always going to be a shit-show. Just deal with it. |
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I didn't like how he was going to torture Harry Tasker, thank God Harry picked his hand cuffs
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Quoted: more likely it was TRump that was played by the Fauci/Gates/WHO team. But, imagine if you will what HRC's response would have been......one of her bestest buddies is Dr. Immanual View Quote You are entitled to believe that the 4D chess master was again led down the primrose path by traitors inside government.. but after the 5th 6th 7th use of this excuse it becomes implausible. Trump is pushing this operation warp speed vaccination that Gates and Fauci have interest in and Trump is also allowing Gates to give MSM interviews like he is part of Trumps administration... If Trump had our best interest at heart a Epstein Island pedophile and depopulation advocate like Bill Gates would be in prison.. And certainly not pushing his vaccine on the American people with Trump backing it |
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Fauci is a purist. He tells us what the perfect remedy should be without regard for any collateral results. That's fair, it's for the politicians to decide how much collateral damage they want to impose by softening the medicine.
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Quoted: Fuck that. The man was fake impeached based on bullshit developed by people that were supposed to be working for him. Drain the swamp includes career bureaucrats. View Quote Then Trump should fire Fauci. But simply blaming Fauci makes Trump look weak. Americans understand it was a dynamic situation. Hell, 6 months later we still can’t agree on how to handle it. But as the president, it is a limp dick move to not stand up and lead. You’re either the big man in charge, or your not. And if you just blame other people, you come across as not ever really having been in charge in the first place. |
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View Quote I heard that Fauci called Cuomo (the little one) daily to ask him how he is doing when he allegedly came down with the china flu... I think part of the criticism from the Trump team is that they know Fauci gave all kinds of fucked up bad advice throughout the pandemic but they also know he is too popular to just fire in typical trump fashion. I will not be surprised when Fauci writes he tell-all book criticizing Trump for everything. |
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Quoted: Then Trump should fire Fauci. But simply blaming Fauci makes Trump look weak. Americans understand it was a dynamic situation. Hell, 6 months later we still can’t agree on how to handle it. But as the president, it is a limp dick move to not stand up and lead. You’re either the big man in charge, or your not. And if you just blame other people, you come across as not ever really having been in charge in the first place. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Fuck that. The man was fake impeached based on bullshit developed by people that were supposed to be working for him. Drain the swamp includes career bureaucrats. Then Trump should fire Fauci. But simply blaming Fauci makes Trump look weak. Americans understand it was a dynamic situation. Hell, 6 months later we still can’t agree on how to handle it. But as the president, it is a limp dick move to not stand up and lead. You’re either the big man in charge, or your not. And if you just blame other people, you come across as not ever really having been in charge in the first place. When it comes to things pertaining to health, you pick leaders with degrees in medicine to lead the charge. Fauci failed. I think he has a thing for China and didn't like the travel ban. |
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Quoted: There comes a point where you have to take some responsibility for your own decisions. If you refuse to do so, you only prove you were never actually in charge. Trump's done nothing "wrong" regarding the Pandemic. But it IS and was always going to be a shit-show. Just deal with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a good look for Trump. Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. Fuck that. The man was fake impeached based on bullshit developed by people that were supposed to be working for him. Drain the swamp includes career bureaucrats. There comes a point where you have to take some responsibility for your own decisions. If you refuse to do so, you only prove you were never actually in charge. Trump's done nothing "wrong" regarding the Pandemic. But it IS and was always going to be a shit-show. Just deal with it. Of course it is a shit show. He could come up with a cure himself and it would be criticized. Trump leads a government where the overwhelming majority of people in it, either actively or passively sabotage him because they put their departments and themselves above the good of the American people and Trump has been trying to change things. The normal rules of leadership don’t apply and he can’t get rid of everyone. |
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Quoted: There comes a point where you have to take some responsibility for your own decisions. If you refuse to do so, you only prove you were never actually in charge. Trump's done nothing "wrong" regarding the Pandemic. But it IS and was always going to be a shit-show. Just deal with it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not a good look for Trump. Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. Fuck that. The man was fake impeached based on bullshit developed by people that were supposed to be working for him. Drain the swamp includes career bureaucrats. There comes a point where you have to take some responsibility for your own decisions. If you refuse to do so, you only prove you were never actually in charge. Trump's done nothing "wrong" regarding the Pandemic. But it IS and was always going to be a shit-show. Just deal with it. Meh. Trump could no more fire Fauci in March then he could fire Mueller a month after he was installed. He had the authority and the facts on his side, but the people on the left side of the bell curve would have lost their shit. |
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I suspect that the end game with all this is to use social, economic and governmental peer pressure to force you into taking this operation warp speed vaccine.... If you refuse you will be required to continue wearing a mask where those that submit won’t... Kind of like the Jews with their Star of David armbands..vaccine refusers will also face employment, travel and other economic and social penalties.
Very suspicious that they will go to these lengths to get you to comply |
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Quoted: When it comes to things pertaining to health, you pick leaders with degrees in medicine to lead the charge. Fauci failed. I think he has a thing for China and didn't like the travel ban. View Quote Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. And public health advice may not actually be the best thing for the country, in a macro sense. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. |
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Quoted: Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action for the country. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: When it comes to things pertaining to health, you pick leaders with degrees in medicine to lead the charge. Fauci failed. I think he has a thing for China and didn't like the travel ban. Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action for the country. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. Fauci told the president 2.5 million people would die if the economy wasn't shut down. Fauci knew that was bullshit. |
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Quoted: You would think that Trump would have solicited a 2nd. 3rd 4th and 5th opinion before destroying the US economy on the word of a lifer government hack with gross conflicts of interest with scum like Bill Gates It seems very suspicious considering Trumps track record of being betrayed, set up, framed and persecuted by government lifers pursuing the previous administrations Marxist agenda. I’m not buying any of this... this shutting down of the economy, mandatory mask and social distancing bullshit is to condition and terrorize the public into accepting the Gates/Fauci depopulation, sterilization vaccination ... it sure as hell looks like Trump is playing all of us for suckers View Quote Or he realized people were going to freak out over it either way. Remember him saying it didn't matter what he thought at the start of it? He could have brought out 87 docs and the media and doomers would have still pushed it. |
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Quoted: Or he realized people were going to freak out over it either way. Remember him saying it didn't matter what he thought at the start of it? He could have brought out 87 docs and the media and doomers would have still pushed it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: You would think that Trump would have solicited a 2nd. 3rd 4th and 5th opinion before destroying the US economy on the word of a lifer government hack with gross conflicts of interest with scum like Bill Gates It seems very suspicious considering Trumps track record of being betrayed, set up, framed and persecuted by government lifers pursuing the previous administrations Marxist agenda. I’m not buying any of this... this shutting down of the economy, mandatory mask and social distancing bullshit is to condition and terrorize the public into accepting the Gates/Fauci depopulation, sterilization vaccination ... it sure as hell looks like Trump is playing all of us for suckers Or he realized people were going to freak out over it either way. Remember him saying it didn't matter what he thought at the start of it? He could have brought out 87 docs and the media and doomers would have still pushed it. Yup |
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Quoted: Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action for the country. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: When it comes to things pertaining to health, you pick leaders with degrees in medicine to lead the charge. Fauci failed. I think he has a thing for China and didn't like the travel ban. Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action for the country. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. That highlighted in bold would be a scapegoat. You're telling me that he wouldn't know what a lockdown would cause, second-order effects, if allowed to happen given the economic and politically charged environment we live in? |
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The damage has already been done.. Fauci is a typical DNC government hustler who used his position and power to make deals with criminal scum bags like Bill Gates in gross conflict of interest to line his pockets... What good does it do for Trump to fire Fauci when Trump is pushing the vaccine that Fauci has a financial stake in on the American people?
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Quoted: Fauci is a doctor. He is not an economist, politician, or foreign policy expert. He gave, what I can only assume, to be his best advice at the time solely in the interest of public health. And public health advice may not actually be the best thing for the country, in a macro sense. It is then up to executive branch leadership to weigh the medical advice with every other competing factor, and lay out the best course of action. If he truly failed, he should be fired. But at this point I think Trump is just looking for a scapegoat. View Quote I disagree with the scapegoat angle. I think Trump is setting up an explanation as to why he intends to go forward contrary to Mr. Fauci's advice. All I hear in the media is how Fauci disagrees with Trump. Trump does not need to fire him; he can simply sideline him after explaining why he disagrees with Fauci. Maybe Trump will fire him and maybe he wont, but my guess is he might just keep him out of the spotlight. Trump might have him focus on the vaccine or something as opposed to having him continue to be involved in the public health crisis. |
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Quoted: Quoted: When your "advisor" is blamed for the problems YOU were in charge of dealing with, it makes it seem as though you made him THE decider, rather than the advisor. Infectious disease experts are not economic experts. Nor are they mental heath experts. Assemble the experts, get all their input, then make your decisions, THEN take responsibility for the results. Manage expectations along the way. You get it. You guys are right.... |
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Quoted: Not a good look for Trump. Say what you want about Fauci, but publicly blaming subordinates in your own administration is not the way a President should lead. View Quote Keeping him employed at taxpayer expense is not good leadership. Constantly following bad advice is not good leadership. You should fire that people that continuously give you bad information/advice. It shows your team they are accountable. That is leadership. I didn't vote for Trump because he had a degree in (insert science here). I expected him to have good advisors on that subject. Anyone that gives the President bad advice when actual science proves otherwise should be fired. I would have been fired for giving my boss as much bad advice as Facui has given to all of us this year. He's shown that he is nothing more than an egotistical political bureaucrat who thinks he can't be replaced. |
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Fauci has been head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases since 1984. I really doubt Trump got him the job. Fauci needs to get something right for once instead of hiding behind his position.
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Fauxi is just a career swamp creature who provides a deceptive voice for China, the WHO, & the UN.
He was wrong in February, and wrong again many times after. No reason to take him seriously now. |
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Trump's problem was he listened to him too much in the early stages. The CDC is the problem, not Trump. The state governors fucked this up 1000 more times than Trump ever could.
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The biggest problem with Fauci is that the left takes him seriously and literally.
Boy, he sure did deliver for them. |
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Quoted: Fauci told the president 2.5 million people would die if the economy wasn't shut down. Fauci knew that was bullshit. View Quote And this was advice that the president COULD NOT ignore. The truth of the matter is no one really knew what would happen, which was a consequence of China hiding the ball and deliberately facilitating entry of the virus on our shores. And China is the key issue here. Think of it this way. We have at least two carrier groups in the South China Sea (presumably along with many other assets), which is a very unusual circumstance. Today, we came out in direct opposition to China's nine-dash-line territorial claims. We also have the destruction of the one country/two systems treaty arrangement in Hong Kong, which China knew would most likely result in a decoupling of its economy from most of the rest of the world. The China trade deal is more or less dead. Anyone else smelling war on the wind, and coming very soon? If one were a bit more conspiratorial, one would wonder about a Chinese amphib burning in port in April and now a mysterious fire on one of our amphibs. |
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Quoted: You guys are right.... View Quote Actually, they are wrong. The idea behind this was to create a no win situation for Trump. If he kept the economy open, the media would talk about how people are dying like flies. If he kept it closed, it would destroy his greatest accomplishment. The more and more I think about it, the more I think China released this virus deliberately. China clearly felt that an authoritarian regime would be able to manage the health and social consequences better than a democracy. Before the virus, Trump had China checkmated economically. Fauci, perhaps unwittingly, was a tool to be used against Trump. He, as a doctor, would be innately conservative about public health. Note that Trump opposed shutdowns in the beginning but was shouted down. As noted above, it was a no win situation. |
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Fauci should have been shown the basement door to mt. weather back in April. Attacking him, while absolutely correct, probably needs another strategy.
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