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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:19:35 PM EST
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Television Broadcast Engineer.
Broadcast anything, really. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:23:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: I have a kid who wants to be a truck driver.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: Originally Posted By Woodchuck1: Originally Posted By Jambalaya: Any kind of professional driver. Self driving vehicles are coming for those jobs. What is your relationship with the industry? I have a kid who wants to be a truck driver.  Swift Trucking by any chance  
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 3:04:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kokodude: Television Broadcast Engineer. Broadcast anything, really. I have a relative that did this. He did a one year certificate in the 60s at the local technician college in “electronics”. He started work at a local NBC affiliate station in a city/county back around 1970 in a city of about 120K/county 200K. He basically repaired all the cameras, tapes, van broadcast equipment, some tower equipment, etc. He was always tuned to the station at home as he was always on call to go fix stuff. By the 80s the same degree at the now community college/tech school was an associates electronics and electrical technology. The demographics of the county/city were changing as well. By 2000 or so it was now a state college and the same level cert was a B.S. in Electrical Engineering Technology. He finally retired in 2010. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 3:53:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itchydingdong: THIS. My pay is lower than it was when it peaked in Everyone of my peers literally can’t wait to retire and leave the world to The smart kids today all know to go into engineering if they feel education is the answer for them. The only exception is possibly for females who hope to have a decent part time job Sorry for the rant. #metoo Made a few changes to adapt to my profession. Everything left (and especially bolded) is spot on. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 4:21:49 PM EST
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Nursing
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Posted: 11/20/2023 4:29:14 PM EST
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Law enforcement still has potential but I'd want to be very selective on the type of agency and locale I'd be working for. Still plenty of good people out there who appreciate officers as long as you stay out of large blue cities
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Posted: 11/20/2023 4:40:35 PM EST
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Petroleum geologist/exploration geophysicist
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Posted: 11/20/2023 4:50:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: foxxnhound]
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Fucking horse trainers can make bank if you can find your nitch. The gal my daughter takes lessons from also trains horses and she is the sole bread winner. Her husband quit his 100K a year job to watch the kids.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 4:51:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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20 years ago or thereabouts, the Military, annoying, but really not so terrible considering you could be fully retired by 38 years old, ( took me until 43 ) including free healthcare and dental for life. These days, not so much. But not many jobs for high school grads that offered such.
Part of my service was national guard, and i was working in the steel workers union, many coworkers flat called me a idiot / dumbass for joining, when my iraq deployment came around. 2 years later, after a big layoff, i would occasionally run into those guys, they were working various jobs, 40, 60, 80 hour weeks, busting ass, looking at working until at least 65, when i said i didnt work, was fully retired at 43, many said " must be fucking nice", with jealous tone, i always replied, recruiting office was open to everyone, doesnt seem so " stupid " thay i joined up now, does it ? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 4:57:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ramairthree: Let’s say he graduated college at 22. Med school at 26. Likely 200K or so in the hole. He then worked around 80 hours a week for about 60K a year for five or more years. So he was a 31 year old general or orthopedic surgeon maybe making 600K a year pretax, so maybe 450K after tax. Or he was an orthopedic spine fellowship, plastics guy, neurosurgeon starting closer to 35 at like 1M a year, so maybe 750K after tax. The chance a 40 year old surgeon in the USA is running around buying 10M dollar homes based on their medical pay approaches zero. The chance they are doing so because they are also involved in real estate, had family money, married money, have investments, got involved in a venture such as a stand alone direct pay out patient center, took an executive role with bonuses, etc. approaches 100%. In what world are people making 600k - 1000k per year only paying 25% total tax? Federal alone would be mostly hitting the 32% bracket, most below that is 22-24%. They you have Social Security (capped) and Medicare/Medicaid. State income tax may or may not be a factor. People in Texas might be paying 37%, people in California closer to 49%. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 4:58:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion10182011: Back in the 90's IT was the shit.  Now you are just a glorified janitor... IT is going to expand in ways we don’t know as of yet. What’s going to change is what can be automated |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 5:04:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fullautoguy: IT is going to expand in ways we don’t know as of yet. What’s going to change is what can be automated Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fullautoguy: Originally Posted By Orion10182011: Back in the 90's IT was the shit. Now you are just a glorified janitor...IT is going to expand in ways we don’t know as of yet. What’s going to change is what can be automated The writing is on the wall, it’s going to be commoditized. The barrier to entry is dropping fast. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 5:18:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: In what world are people making 600k - 1000k per year only paying 25% total tax? Federal alone would be mostly hitting the 32% bracket, most below that is 22-24%. They you have Social Security (capped) and Medicare/Medicaid. State income tax may or may not be a factor. People in Texas might be paying 37%, people in California closer to 49%. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: Originally Posted By ramairthree: Let’s say he graduated college at 22. Med school at 26. Likely 200K or so in the hole. He then worked around 80 hours a week for about 60K a year for five or more years. So he was a 31 year old general or orthopedic surgeon maybe making 600K a year pretax, so maybe 450K after tax. Or he was an orthopedic spine fellowship, plastics guy, neurosurgeon starting closer to 35 at like 1M a year, so maybe 750K after tax. The chance a 40 year old surgeon in the USA is running around buying 10M dollar homes based on their medical pay approaches zero. The chance they are doing so because they are also involved in real estate, had family money, married money, have investments, got involved in a venture such as a stand alone direct pay out patient center, took an executive role with bonuses, etc. approaches 100%. In what world are people making 600k - 1000k per year only paying 25% total tax? Federal alone would be mostly hitting the 32% bracket, most below that is 22-24%. They you have Social Security (capped) and Medicare/Medicaid. State income tax may or may not be a factor. People in Texas might be paying 37%, people in California closer to 49%. I asked but don’t have an answer back yet with exact details, but even if the house is $3m less than I thought, and the guy 5 years older, it’s not exactly a woe is me, subsistence style existence. My facts may be off a bit, but not by a factor large enough to change the point. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 5:59:17 PM EST
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Machinist
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:10:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: tortilla-flats]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ATLDiver: IT in general.... Some specialties are still generally a good field, most corp jobs are soul-sucking. ETA: Office Space is 24 years old. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:14:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shazbat: Victoria’s Secret photographer. They just went back to using sexy models. They lost too much on the fat chicks. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:28:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench: Another way of looking at this is for some professions, it’s a buyers market. I think LE is a strong candidate for that. Right now people can get LE jobs that are normally very difficult to get. For example, game wardens in Texas. Historically you had to have an autographed copy of the Bible, be an 87th generation applicant and be able to count to infinity in order to qualify for the test. …now, they are advertising openings. Our state police's most recent academy had only eleven cadets. That's the lowest I have seen in 20+ years. They just received a 25% pay increase and it still won't increase recruitment. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 6:31:15 PM EST
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I recall 20 years ago being a drug sales rep was an awesome job...
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:26:47 PM EST
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20 years ago, “journalist” was still an actual career.
When The Devil Wears Prada came out (2006), being a magazine editor was still an important and powerful job. If you were about to fly on a plane or sit in a waiting room, magazines were important for light, quick reads. The smartphone and social media killed all that. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:32:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEb: Paper science High school peer was all excited about pursuing that lucrative career option and thought I was dumb for pursuing a ‘generic’ engineering degree. Wonder how well that worked out for him? This would be over 20 years ago, but having someone from industry come into the classroom, and rave about making $75k, after completing undergrad, then doing 5 years of a doctorate, then God knows how many years post-doc...was a little discouraging. Probably different if you discover the Next Big Thing and have equity in the company. But so is winning the Powerball. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 8:35:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itchydingdong: THIS. Physician. It used to be you were held in high esteem. Now everyone thinks all you want is to be in their pocketbook, they think government insured loans means you got free education, and many even think you were complicit in the covid agenda to kill millions of persons. My pay is lower than it was when it peaked in 2007 yet inflation is around 100% since then. Almost all the money basically comes from Medicare/Medicaid and there is ZERO political will to increase that reimbursement. Yet we do this for a job that sucks away our nights, weekends, holidays, etc. I almost dread my wife trying to make dinner plans with anyone because I am stressed all day worrying that I’ll end up making her a third wheel (again). Everyone of my peers literally can’t wait to retire and leave the world to the nurse practitioners (Lord help us). The smart kids today all know to go into engineering if they feel education is the answer for them. The only exception is possibly for females who hope to have a decent part time job because they know all the health care conglomerates are run by big HR departments that will protect them from whatever injustice they perceive. They tend to accept part time positions that also protect them from the onerous hours. Either that or they have very short careers leaving the profession even more short staffed. Sorry for the rant. I'm assuming you're a Urologist based on your username |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:01:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MikeMilligan: But are objectively terrible options now? I'll start: -Law enforcement in all its flavors: Police, corrections, FBI agent -Pharmacist -Career military -Lawyer You hit the nail on the head with Police and military... But I'd recommend the military 100 times over to a young person over police work. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:45:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: I asked but don’t have an answer back yet with exact details, but even if the house is $3m less than I thought, and the guy 5 years older, it’s not exactly a woe is me, subsistence style existence. My facts may be off a bit, but not by a factor large enough to change the point. The math does not add up for 50 year old docs and 7 million dollar second homes either. It just doesnt. If we assume that the 95th percentile for doc income is 1 million dollars and we do "cant afford anything else 5 times income mortgage) that is about 5 million bucks worth of personal residential real estate, no matter how many homes you are talking about. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:48:12 PM EST
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I finished school for computer wizardry right before the dot com bubble. So that was pretty awesome for awhile.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:50:57 PM EST
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OH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 9:59:04 PM EST
[#26]
Travel Agent. All but gone now
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:02:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion10182011: Back in the 90's IT was the shit. Now you are just a glorified janitor...Yup, the curry boys have taken that over with H1Bs |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:03:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedAngus: Made a few changes to adapt to my profession. Everything left (and especially bolded) is spot on. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:20:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: BuckeyeRifleman]
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Firefighter/paramedic. Military.
I’m too deep in it now to change, but I don’t recommend it to young people. Everyone wanted the job security/pension that public safety offered after the 08 crash. You would have hundreds of applications for just one position. I felt like I won the literal lottery when I got hired. Hell even the GOP was going after public sector unions out of some misperceived sense of justice, which was a huge political blunder. I looked hard at trying to do the airline thing when I was a young man. At the time, firefighters had a much better lifestyle than most regional airline pilots, to include pay. Regional guys were making literal McDonalds money. The majors were doing well, but that was a pipe dream at the time. I ended up flying for the military later in life instead. Here we are 15 years later and the airlines are going gangbuster with hiring and pay, and I feel poorer than ever, despite being in the top percentile of firefighters with regards to income. Yet I’m too far along to a pension to switch careers. That part is still good thankfully. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:27:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By laxman09: Pharmacist.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:46:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: didn't know you are a vet. Equine vet and also have a cow/calf operation. Both seem to offer a better tax write-off than living, but they’re all I’ve ever known and what I’ve gotten used to. I’ve come to believe it’s more how one adapts to their income than how much one makes that defines a good job/income. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:51:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: In what world are people making 600k - 1000k per year only paying 25% total tax? Federal alone would be mostly hitting the 32% bracket, most below that is 22-24%. They you have Social Security (capped) and Medicare/Medicaid. State income tax may or may not be a factor. People in Texas might be paying 37%, people in California closer to 49%. I was simply listing effective federal income tax rate. Not FICA, state income tax, property tax, etc. to show how even an exaggerated income was not feasible with running around buying a primary and secondary 10M dollar home. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:11:26 PM EST
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I started in IT 30 years ago, then it was industrial technology. I stopped when the instructor wouldn't get off my ass wanting me to hire him at my job or give him a refernce. Figured I was wasting my time.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:12:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: I asked but don’t have an answer back yet with exact details, but even if the house is $3m less than I thought, and the guy 5 years older, it’s not exactly a woe is me, subsistence style existence. My facts may be off a bit, but not by a factor large enough to change the point. If he was a neurosurgeon, that 5 years changes the equation significantly. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:15:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: I asked but don’t have an answer back yet with exact details, but even if the house is $3m less than I thought, and the guy 5 years older, it’s not exactly a woe is me, subsistence style existence. My facts may be off a bit, but not by a factor large enough to change the point. 10M dollar homes, let alone second 10M dollar homes, are not remotely the norm for physicians. You’re “factors” are not remotely on par with your “point” that people that went into debt with no income for eight years plus then made about $14.87 an hour for another five plus years then working about 60 hours a week, plus additional call hours, making on average in the USA maybe 500K a year pre-taxes. Let’s say a 40 year old surgeon crushed four years of bio, Chem, organic Chem, biochem, Calc, physics, etc. for their undergrad degree at state for a cost of 100K. Let’s say then averaged 80 hours a week in class, lab, studying, getting ready for MCATs, etc. Then crushed four years of med school. That’s about 120 semester hours/ four years of academics jammed into two years, then two years of clinical rotations, studying, boards, etc. let’s say that cost them 150K. That’s another four years of 80 hour weeks. Now they spent five years minimum making, say, 50K a year as a resident, again 80 hours or so a week of clinical times, studying, call, etc. Thats 250K for education and 250K of pay over a 13 year period. About 54,000 hours for a net income of zero. Now, they got a great job. Between clinic, CME, OR, hospital, call, let’s say they now have a “Cush” lifestyle of 60 hours a week. It’s probably closer to 80. They have been paid 500K a year for the past nine years. Another 28,000 hours worked. So, over a 22 year period, not counting taxes, interest, professional expenses separate from education costs, having a car, someplace to live, insurance, etc. they grossed 4.5M. Less than 55 bucks an hour. Not to mention that over 87% of people are not remotely capable of completing, accomplishing, or performing what they do for a living. And they could have been making 55 an hour for far longer or making far more / hour with a basic engineering degree let along if they had done comp sci/tech or econ/MBA, etc. And you are literally so unknowledgeable of the basic data regarding it or performing the basic math that you think typical doctors/surgeons are running around buying spare 10M homes as the norm. |
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CT, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:18:21 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightstalker: School ADMINISTRATOR Certified Teacher is up there as well. Some of the non-certified jobs are actually more worthwhile now. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:25:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: If he was a neurosurgeon, that 5 years changes the equation significantly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: I asked but don’t have an answer back yet with exact details, but even if the house is $3m less than I thought, and the guy 5 years older, it’s not exactly a woe is me, subsistence style existence. My facts may be off a bit, but not by a factor large enough to change the point. If he was a neurosurgeon, that 5 years changes the equation significantly. How? And 18 year old goes to college for four years. Then med school for four years. Then 50K a year or so for seven years. Then at 33 with a net gross of zero, not counting loan interest, etc. 34 if a fellow ship, 35 if endovascular, Then average 800K a year until 40 or 45, pre-tax, You think they have a 7M home and second 7M dollar home, let alone 10M homes? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:28:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Insurance and the first few billion dollar lawsuits when it kills a bus full of nuns is going to slow things to a crawl. insurance wants the statistically safer car. which will be a automated car by then. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:35:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... @DeltaV42 While I completely agree being a doctor is a complete shit show and I would not recommend it, AI cannot replace a doc. It definitely can assist certain specialties such as radiology. But the practice of medicine is complex and nuanced. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:39:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Originally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. @999monkeys Do you actually believe what you just wrote, Lol. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:42:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: there's not a day that goes by that I don't regret getting into healthcare. I am trying to make sure my sons do something way the hell else. @steviesterno16 My sons are 100% against going into medicine. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:48:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itchydingdong: THIS. Physician. It used to be you were held in high esteem. Now everyone thinks all you want is to be in their pocketbook, they think government insured loans means you got free education, and many even think you were complicit in the covid agenda to kill millions of persons. My pay is lower than it was when it peaked in 2007 yet inflation is around 100% since then. Almost all the money basically comes from Medicare/Medicaid and there is ZERO political will to increase that reimbursement. Yet we do this for a job that sucks away our nights, weekends, holidays, etc. I almost dread my wife trying to make dinner plans with anyone because I am stressed all day worrying that I’ll end up making her a third wheel (again). Everyone of my peers literally can’t wait to retire and leave the world to the nurse practitioners (Lord help us). The smart kids today all know to go into engineering if they feel education is the answer for them. The only exception is possibly for females who hope to have a decent part time job because they know all the health care conglomerates are run by big HR departments that will protect them from whatever injustice they perceive. They tend to accept part time positions that also protect them from the onerous hours. Either that or they have very short careers leaving the profession even more short staffed. Sorry for the rant. @itchydingdong +1 Women definitely have done a lot of damage to the culture of medicine. ~ 50% of med school graduates are women but they were only ~ 25% in 1980. And the newer generation of women are not hard chargers like they were back then either. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:56:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: neshomamench]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: If he was a neurosurgeon, that 5 years changes the equation significantly. Not really. Most neurosurgeons make under 1 million a year....even if many get close and are, on average, among the highest paid docs. Even the highest paid among them (mid size metro in fly over country with crazy pro and tech component, or department head that is a world class Chiari specialist or the like....) all but an insane exception is buying 7 million dollar second home on doctor income. Again, 99th percentile is under 2 million. Yeah, making a million or so a year is a lot of money....but it isnt private jet or 10 million dollar second home money. Anomalies aside, the guy that owns a dozen Taco Bells or a chain of mattress stores or HVAC company running 30 trucks makes more than almost any doc, (from doc income only) Sure, you take a Radiologist that owns 10 imaging centers, or a Neuro or Ortho Spine doc than owns the most lucratve spine center in a big metro aside.... (again, anomalies...) the cap for doc income is about 1.4 ish million...and that is for the highest paid specialties in the highest paid locations or, after many, many years, the top of academia. (it isnt the same to make a million a year for 30 years, like some partners in lucrative specialties in mid sized metros as it is to make 400K a year and top out at the end at 1.5 toward the end, like top....TOP academia...) Most people do not realize it, because it is against what most people think, but, on average, docs make less in the big cities and less at the most prestigous places. Bread and butter doc in fly over mid sized metro tends to make the most. TLDR: Docs make good money. More than most, but there is a limit for all but a very rare and anomalies few. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:04:27 AM EST
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Interesting thread
These are the most unhappy professionals I come across in my extended friendship group General Practitioners - 9 key conditions and oldies with age related unfixable problems Corporate Lawyers - same shit different day, horrendous clients Corporate Accountants - literally every year is the same, like ground hog day with no escape Pharmacists - give boxes of drugs to people and sell any old shit to keep the lights on Most happy Tradesmen that run their own businesses - solving problems and building useful things Engineers - doesn't matter which type - solving problems and building useful thins Can't wait to get out crowd Mid-ranking Army and state law enforcement officers - many of these guys think they wasted their lives Farmers on marginal land - massive loans with no sight in end. Senior public servants - massive politicisation and dreadful politicians at both state and federal level (the stripe doesn't matter) |
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USA
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:12:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: @999monkeys Do you actually believe what you just wrote, Lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C-4: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Originally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. @999monkeys Do you actually believe what you just wrote, Lol. My wife was looking it up on Zillow as she told me about it. Whether it was really $10m or she rounded up, I’m not sure. But will find out. Orthopedic spine surgeon, fwiw |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:17:51 AM EST
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Low effort clickbait content illustrator.
AI has to be eating their lunch these days. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:22:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: My wife was looking it up on Zillow as she told me about it. Whether it was really $10m or she rounded up, I’m not sure. But will find out. Orthopedic spine surgeon, fwiw Ortho spine is indeed one of the highest paid docs. but....not 10 million (or 7 million) second home money. Academic 50 year old ortho spine is 600-800K. Academic, top in the country department head, 800-2 million....but it aint no 45 year old guy. Private practice big city employed is 800-1 million. Private practice big city partner (and that is about the full partner age) is 800-1.4 million. Private practice, mid sized metro, highest paying situation partner, with crazy technical component, 900-2.2 million. None of these people are the person you describe. The math is what it is. Seriously. 10 million dollar second home guy....assuming his first home is also 10 million dollars is 100 million dollar net worth guy or 5 million or more (in reality a lot more) a year....and for many years, income guy. that is well....WELL....fuck WAY outside the income of over 99% of doctors. even if we assume his first home was 1 dollar....it is still WAY outside the income of 99% of doctors. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:28:48 AM EST
[Last Edit: Woodchuck1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: I have a kid who wants to be a truck driver. @Jambalaya This is not snarky, this is my experience and perspective. I do not know of a faster path for someone to make 100k/yr than getting a Class A CDL, and being willing to work. We aren’t going anywhere in the foreseeable future, regardless of what the techie guys keep promising. The autonomous-trucks-are-just-around-the-corner devotees have been shrilly yelling over themselves for the last…several years now, and yet we are no closer now, than we were, to an autonomous truck taking our jobs. It’s not happening on any time schedule that intersects with reality. I say this as someone who would NOT recommend trucking, at least, not without some serious caveats and suggestions of other things to do for a career. But if someone is interested, and wants to do it…do it well, be the best (and most specialized) driver that you can be, and take the advice of those of us that have ‘made it’ in the industry - we might know a thing or two, and be able to advise someone starting out how to make their way up the ladder faster. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:30:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 999monkeys]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench: Ortho spine is indeed one of the highest paid docs. but....not 10 million (or 7 million) second home money. Academic 50 year old ortho spine is 600-800K. Academic, top in the country department head, 800-2 million....but it aint no 45 year old guy. Private practice big city employed is 800-1 million. Private practice big city partner (and that is about the full partner age) is 800-1.4 million. Private practice, mid sized metro, highest paying situation partner, with crazy technical component, 900-2.2 million. None of these people are the person you describe. The math is what it is. Seriously. 10 million dollar second home guy....assuming his first home is also 10 million dollars is 100 million dollar net worth guy or 5 million or more (in reality a lot more) a year....and for many years, income guy. that is well....WELL....fuck WAY outside the income of over 99% of doctors. even if we assume his first home was 1 dollar....it is still WAY outside the income of 99% of doctors. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neshomamench: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: My wife was looking it up on Zillow as she told me about it. Whether it was really $10m or she rounded up, I’m not sure. But will find out. Orthopedic spine surgeon, fwiw Ortho spine is indeed one of the highest paid docs. but....not 10 million (or 7 million) second home money. Academic 50 year old ortho spine is 600-800K. Academic, top in the country department head, 800-2 million....but it aint no 45 year old guy. Private practice big city employed is 800-1 million. Private practice big city partner (and that is about the full partner age) is 800-1.4 million. Private practice, mid sized metro, highest paying situation partner, with crazy technical component, 900-2.2 million. None of these people are the person you describe. The math is what it is. Seriously. 10 million dollar second home guy....assuming his first home is also 10 million dollars is 100 million dollar net worth guy or 5 million or more (in reality a lot more) a year....and for many years, income guy. that is well....WELL....fuck WAY outside the income of over 99% of doctors. even if we assume his first home was 1 dollar....it is still WAY outside the income of 99% of doctors. I’m not questioning your stats. But this is typical GD. Forest for trees, if the guy is pulling in $1m per year, then the poster I was replying to should not be too concerned that surgeon is a poor choice/poverty level existence. Keep in mind, context is important. Perhaps the home was $7 million, and perhaps his wife comes from money (I dunno). But that doesn’t change the point that if my son wanted to become a surgeon and the salary was what your post above says it is, I wouldn’t be too concerned about my son’s financial future. But in GD, people will often argue very fine points that aren’t relevant to the overall. |
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Posted: 11/21/2023 12:32:18 AM EST
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Women of Enron.
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