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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:28:35 AM EST
But are objectively terrible options now?
I'll start: -Law enforcement in all its flavors: Police, corrections, FBI agent -Pharmacist -Career military -Lawyer |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:30:46 AM EST
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My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea.
Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:32:17 AM EST
[#2]
Victoria’s Secret photographer.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:36:48 AM EST
[#3]
Toll booth attendant (patronage job with free medical for life and a killer pension)
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:38:37 AM EST
[#4]
Lingerie model for Sears catalog.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:42:47 AM EST
[#5]
Taxi driver?
Radio shack manager Blockbuster manager |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:44:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: Miles_Urbanus]
[#6]
Lots of those cushy state and local government jobs have salaries that have been rapidly out paced by inflation.
Fast food jobs in rural Kentucky start at $12. $12 is the new minimum wage. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:44:43 AM EST
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Any kind of professional driver. Self driving vehicles are coming for those jobs.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:45:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: Any kind of professional driver. Self driving vehicles are coming for those jobs. It will happen but not rapidly. Hazmat drivers are probably safe for a decade or more. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:47:17 AM EST
[#9]
Pharmacist.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:51:29 AM EST
[#10]
Back in the 90's IT was the shit.
 Now you are just a glorified janitor...
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:51:36 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miles_Urbanus: It will happen but not rapidly. Hazmat drivers are probably safe for a decade or more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miles_Urbanus: Originally Posted By Jambalaya: Any kind of professional driver. Self driving vehicles are coming for those jobs. It will happen but not rapidly. Hazmat drivers are probably safe for a decade or more. Insurance and the first few billion dollar lawsuits when it kills a bus full of nuns is going to slow things to a crawl. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:53:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 10:59:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: GrizzlyAdams]
[#13]
Phone booth installers
Fax machine salesmen aol disk production mtv video dj |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:01:44 AM EST
[#14]
Bud Light brand ambassador.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:01:52 AM EST
[#15]
LE
Mil |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:10:07 AM EST
[#16]
Magpul Dynamics instructor
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OR, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:10:40 AM EST
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:14:47 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Originally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL My wife is ER, so her ability to just look at someone and most of the time tell what's wrong will probably still out pace AI for at least the remainder of her career. The PAs are a problem (no offense to any on this board). Some are great and a big help, especially when she's solo coverage overnight, but others are downright dangerous because they just don't know what they don't know, but think they're as smart or smarter than the doctors. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:15:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Originally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:15:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Miles_Urbanus: Lots of those cushy state and local government jobs have salaries that have been rapidly out paced by inflation. Fast food jobs in rural Kentucky start at $12. $12 is the new minimum wage. My girlfriend works for the State of Alabama as a receptionist / data entry / admin support person. She's making somewhere around $17 an hour. Even seven years ago when she started working for the state, that wasn't a terrible salary for an entry level position-especially considering the health insurance and pension benefits. Now, though, it isn't even enough for her to pay her bills. Since her divorce, she's had to live with her Mom and brother. I noticed this past Friday that the Target store had a sign on their door advertising part time seasonal openings which start at $15 an hour. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:18:18 AM EST
[#21]
Paper science
High school peer was all excited about pursuing that lucrative career option and thought I was dumb for pursuing a ‘generic’ engineering degree. Wonder how well that worked out for him? |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:21:16 AM EST
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cable guy
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:22:05 AM EST
[#23]
The guys who went career military 20 years ago should be retiring about now. That makes it the best career so far if you didn't get maimed or killed.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:34:15 AM EST
[#24]
Janitor at a peep show
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:35:46 AM EST
[#25]
School ADMINISTRATOR
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Posted: 11/20/2023 11:50:08 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... came to post this....definitely medicine, but because of beurocracy. I don't think AI will be doing my job anytime soon. I can barely understand what people are talking about some days, I don't think that a computer will be able to interpret meth speak. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:07:19 PM EST
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there's not a day that goes by that I don't regret getting into healthcare. I am trying to make sure my sons do something way the hell else.
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:36:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shazbat: Victoria’s Secret photographer. 
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:45:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: Any kind of professional driver. Self driving vehicles are coming for those jobs. What is your relationship with the industry? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:53:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: Any kind of professional driver. Self driving vehicles are coming for those jobs. I want to see one unload a flatbed of product or even dump gravel in the correct spot. I haven’t seen one back into a tight ass loading dock yet. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 12:54:04 PM EST
[#31]
When I was coming along:
Forester Telephone operator Farmer Math teacher Middle school teacher Now I would do some soul searching. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:06:38 PM EST
[#32]
Film projectionist
Disk drive repairman Printer repairman Computer hardware salesman |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:16:07 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. Let’s say he graduated college at 22. Med school at 26. Likely 200K or so in the hole. He then worked around 80 hours a week for about 60K a year for five or more years. So he was a 31 year old general or orthopedic surgeon maybe making 600K a year pretax, so maybe 450K after tax. Or he was an orthopedic spine fellowship, plastics guy, neurosurgeon starting closer to 35 at like 1M a year, so maybe 750K after tax. The chance a 40 year old surgeon in the USA is running around buying 10M dollar homes based on their medical pay approaches zero. The chance they are doing so because they are also involved in real estate, had family money, married money, have investments, got involved in a venture such as a stand alone direct pay out patient center, took an executive role with bonuses, etc. approaches 100%. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:17:38 PM EST
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THIS. Physician. It used to be you were held in high esteem. Now everyone thinks all you want is to be in their pocketbook, they think government insured loans means you got free education, and many even think you were complicit in the covid agenda to kill millions of persons.
My pay is lower than it was when it peaked in 2007 yet inflation is around 100% since then. Almost all the money basically comes from Medicare/Medicaid and there is ZERO political will to increase that reimbursement. Yet we do this for a job that sucks away our nights, weekends, holidays, etc. I almost dread my wife trying to make dinner plans with anyone because I am stressed all day worrying that I’ll end up making her a third wheel (again). Everyone of my peers literally can’t wait to retire and leave the world to the nurse practitioners (Lord help us). The smart kids today all know to go into engineering if they feel education is the answer for them. The only exception is possibly for females who hope to have a decent part time job because they know all the health care conglomerates are run by big HR departments that will protect them from whatever injustice they perceive. They tend to accept part time positions that also protect them from the onerous hours. Either that or they have very short careers leaving the profession even more short staffed. Sorry for the rant. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:21:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Originally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL Don’t count on that. Robotic surgery has come a long way and can theoretically be done far more efficiently using remote operators with only a few techs on site. There are many people working on that. And there is no reason the techs and “advanced” providers can’t simply move the surgeons out of the way; many can sew quite capably. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:21:30 PM EST
[Last Edit: Edge-To-Life]
[#36]
Health care
ETA: Every physician, nurse, RT, etc I’ve talked to lately seems to wish that they did something else. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:24:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 999monkeys: Originally Posted By Johnnymenudo: Originally Posted By DeltaV42: My wife would say physician. She was in undergrad 20 years ago and probably thought it was a great idea. Now? Government has made a big mess of everything, and MBA's have ruined everything else. She cringes when our daughter says she wants to be a doctor like Mommy. AI will probably be running most of it by the time she makes those decisions anyway... My kid is in med school now with me being very neutral on the whole thing. The suits have ruined medicine, but you can still make a good living and enjoy it, but it does not compare to 20-25 years ago. My kid wants to be a surgeon, so thankfully that will still require a human. I feel bad for primary care providers. They are being replaced by PA-Cs, and soon AI. A friend of mine involved in AI for dermatology use. Between digital scanning by phone and dermatoscope, it will tell you the DX with a high degree of probability. Then you get to do the biopsy anyway. LOL A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. Either you are being outright disingenuous for some reason (I dont know why you would) or that person is wealthy some other way. Inheritance, some other business, etc. Not even neurosurgeons pull close to that kind of money. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:29:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By itchydingdong: THIS. Physician. It used to be you were held in high esteem. Now everyone thinks all you want is to be in their pocketbook, they think government insured loans means you got free education, and many even think you were complicit in the covid agenda to kill millions of persons. My pay is lower than it was when it peaked in 2007 yet inflation is around 100% since then. Almost all the money basically comes from Medicare/Medicaid and there is ZERO political will to increase that reimbursement. Yet we do this for a job that sucks away our nights, weekends, holidays, etc. I almost dread my wife trying to make dinner plans with anyone because I am stressed all day worrying that I’ll end up making her a third wheel (again). Everyone of my peers literally can’t wait to retire and leave the world to the nurse practitioners (Lord help us). The smart kids today all know to go into engineering if they feel education is the answer for them. The only exception is possibly for females who hope to have a decent part time job because they know all the health care conglomerates are run by big HR departments that will protect them from whatever injustice they perceive. They tend to accept part time positions that also protect them from the onerous hours. Either that or they have very short careers leaving the profession even more short staffed. Sorry for the rant. Ironically (I also posted above about my ER physician wife) I'm a research and development engineer, get to play with new toys, just had a paid trip to Australia, and generally like my job (even if I do spend too much time making power point presentations). Wife really wants the girls to follow me, to the point that most toys are engineering based. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:29:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ramairthree: Let’s say he graduated college at 22. Med school at 26. Likely 200K or so in the hole. He then worked around 80 hours a week for about 60K a year for five or more years. So he was a 31 year old general or orthopedic surgeon maybe making 600K a year pretax, so maybe 450K after tax. Or he was an orthopedic spine fellowship, plastics guy, neurosurgeon starting closer to 35 at like 1M a year, so maybe 750K after tax. The chance a 40 year old surgeon in the USA is running around buying 10M dollar homes based on their medical pay approaches zero. The chance they are doing so because they are also involved in real estate, had family money, married money, have investments, got involved in a venture such as a stand alone direct pay out patient center, took an executive role with bonuses, etc. approaches 100%. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ramairthree: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. Let’s say he graduated college at 22. Med school at 26. Likely 200K or so in the hole. He then worked around 80 hours a week for about 60K a year for five or more years. So he was a 31 year old general or orthopedic surgeon maybe making 600K a year pretax, so maybe 450K after tax. Or he was an orthopedic spine fellowship, plastics guy, neurosurgeon starting closer to 35 at like 1M a year, so maybe 750K after tax. The chance a 40 year old surgeon in the USA is running around buying 10M dollar homes based on their medical pay approaches zero. The chance they are doing so because they are also involved in real estate, had family money, married money, have investments, got involved in a venture such as a stand alone direct pay out patient center, took an executive role with bonuses, etc. approaches 100%. Agreed. Even if said doctor somehow had already made full partner in a lucrative spine center with massive professional and technical components, he still isn’t buying 10 million dollar second homes. There is more to the story if it is true. The 99th percentile for docs is impossible to pin down and is reported low, but it is still south of 2 million. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:31:55 PM EST
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Manage the Photo-Mat in the parking lot at the mini-mall.
Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:37:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: neshomamench]
[#41]
Another way of looking at this is for some professions, it’s a buyers market.
I think LE is a strong candidate for that. Right now people can get LE jobs that are normally very difficult to get. For example, game wardens in Texas. Historically you had to have an autographed copy of the Bible, be an 87th generation applicant and be able to count to infinity in order to qualify for the test. …now, they are advertising openings. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:38:27 PM EST
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Anything IT related. Was a great job until India.
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:52:27 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ramairthree: Let’s say he graduated college at 22. Med school at 26. Likely 200K or so in the hole. He then worked around 80 hours a week for about 60K a year for five or more years. So he was a 31 year old general or orthopedic surgeon maybe making 600K a year pretax, so maybe 450K after tax. Or he was an orthopedic spine fellowship, plastics guy, neurosurgeon starting closer to 35 at like 1M a year, so maybe 750K after tax. The chance a 40 year old surgeon in the USA is running around buying 10M dollar homes based on their medical pay approaches zero. The chance they are doing so because they are also involved in real estate, had family money, married money, have investments, got involved in a venture such as a stand alone direct pay out patient center, took an executive role with bonuses, etc. approaches 100%. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ramairthree: Originally Posted By 999monkeys: A friend who is a surgeon just bought his second home, age 40. He paid $10 million for it. So I’d say things aren’t all that bad. Let’s say he graduated college at 22. Med school at 26. Likely 200K or so in the hole. He then worked around 80 hours a week for about 60K a year for five or more years. So he was a 31 year old general or orthopedic surgeon maybe making 600K a year pretax, so maybe 450K after tax. Or he was an orthopedic spine fellowship, plastics guy, neurosurgeon starting closer to 35 at like 1M a year, so maybe 750K after tax. The chance a 40 year old surgeon in the USA is running around buying 10M dollar homes based on their medical pay approaches zero. The chance they are doing so because they are also involved in real estate, had family money, married money, have investments, got involved in a venture such as a stand alone direct pay out patient center, took an executive role with bonuses, etc. approaches 100%. Ok, will fact check with the wife. Brb. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 1:58:47 PM EST
[#44]
Video rental store owner.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:00:25 PM EST
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I’m a physical therapist of about 10 years. Reimbursement is at an all time low, red tape an all time high, and hospitals/big chains are buying up everything, forcing a ‘more numbers less quality’ mentality across the board.
It’s not a bad job by any stretch, but as y’all like to say the ‘salad days’ are long gone |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:02:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woodchuck1: What is your relationship with the industry? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Woodchuck1: Originally Posted By Jambalaya: Any kind of professional driver. Self driving vehicles are coming for those jobs. What is your relationship with the industry? I have a kid who wants to be a truck driver. 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:04:19 PM EST
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IT in general....
Some specialties are still generally a good field, most corp jobs are soul-sucking. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:04:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmillie: I want to see one unload a flatbed of product or even dump gravel in the correct spot. I haven't seen one back into a tight ass loading dock yet. You will probably have a "last quarter mile" driver, sort of how river pilots work for oceangoing vessels. But long highway stretches are going to be the first to go. |
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:15:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jambalaya: I have a kid who wants to be a truck driver.  |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 11/20/2023 2:17:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: vagrenadeer]
[#50]
Commercial book illustration
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