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Posted: 12/16/2020 5:05:12 PM EDT
Everywhere I look for a vacation home outside the U.S. with ocean front property seems to have a significant crime problem, particularly with regard to burglary and murder.

Either that or I have to look in the E.U., which is a total non-starter, because they will arrest you for saying mean things.

Is there anywhere? I'm starting to think there is not.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:17:00 PM EDT
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There is a reason cheap beach front property exists.

Chose 2

Cheap

Beach front property

Safe

ETA wrong number I'm stupid
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:17:44 PM EDT
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I would think Croatia (europe) and Panama (central) be among the best total values but probably not the cheapest.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:20:30 PM EDT
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Interestingly, I am considering Panama.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:21:59 PM EDT
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Costa Rica?  When I was last there, it was a bunch of American Ex-pats and retired people.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:24:20 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:24:31 PM EDT
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Wrong answer.  Have you seen the Croatian women?  


Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:25:58 PM EDT
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Costa Rica. Huge expat communities.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:28:24 PM EDT
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Southwestern India.

Miles and miles of coconut trees and white sand beaches.  Only people are some local fishing villages that will stare at you because they think you’re a celebrity.  They’ve only seen white people in the movies.  

Don’t think you can actually own land, however.  Not sure how many countries actually allow foreigners to ‘own’ property.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:29:13 PM EDT
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Off to research Costa Rica!
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:31:30 PM EDT
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I have  a waterfront property for sale on a carribean island, think there was one lovers quarrel that someone got dead last year but pretty crime free place. Women do no look like Croatians.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:33:27 PM EDT
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Rent for a couple years.

Do not buy
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:36:12 PM EDT
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Looked into it. Almost every country has shittier property owning laws for non natives and can take it with little due process.

If I wanted to do that I would spend the money on an investment account in another market (like Swiss). Use the interest/dividends to spend time all over. You can rent ocean front for a few hundred a month some places so it wouldn’t take a huge nut to do this.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:40:32 PM EDT
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If I had to leave the US, I'd aim for Croatia. I've been more than once, and I'd go again.

Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:52:42 PM EDT
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Bahamas. Abaco, Exumas, ??
Its expensive but violent crime is not all that common.
Turks and Caicos.

Edit: you’re getting broken into no matter where you go.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:54:23 PM EDT
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Costa Rica is really safe.

There are many more but my jam is CR.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:54:49 PM EDT
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Denmark or Iceland maybe.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:55:21 PM EDT
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Uhm....Chile. Zero crime. Solid Economy. Super awesome folks and its a mirror image of California coasts. I have family there and go every couple years; its like going to Europe.

Below is Viña del Mar, where seafood is cheap and world class, along with beer and nice living.






Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:57:03 PM EDT
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Monaco
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:58:33 PM EDT
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I would definitely do this in any new country.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 5:59:56 PM EDT
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Canada.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:05:08 PM EDT
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Norway has some beautiful beach front property. Not sure if you will want to go swimming though. Hypothermia optional.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:08:22 PM EDT
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Greece?
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:15:25 PM EDT
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Some of the beach property in Brazil is cheap.

After spending some time down there, I have a spot that I would like to live.  

I'd say India, Thailand, or the surrounding area should be cheap as hell.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:17:35 PM EDT
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There’s only one answer.

Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:18:50 PM EDT
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Looked into it. Almost every country has shittier property owning laws for non natives and can take it with little due process.

If I wanted to do that I would spend the money on an investment account in another market (like Swiss). Use the interest/dividends to spend time all over. You can rent ocean front for a few hundred a month some places so it wouldn’t take a huge nut to do this.
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I have animals that must come with me. Not optional.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:21:41 PM EDT
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Ambergris Caye

You can find good deals here. The crime is not bad. The cost is reasonable. It is quick to get back to the US.
Lots of Canadian expats live there.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:22:53 PM EDT
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I would do Croatia in a minute. Adriatic is beautiful, felt safe on the islands or mainland.

Depending where you are there seems to be a lot of Germans, but I think that’s mostly on the north.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:24:33 PM EDT
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Take a lesson from the Chinese... build your own island.  

You can subdivide to pay for the costs.  Or start your own country, declare war on the US, immediately surrender, then demand foreign aid to rebuild.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:31:29 PM EDT
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Montenegro. Look it up!
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:31:55 PM EDT
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Uhm....Chile. Zero crime. Solid Economy. Super awesome folks and its a mirror image of California coasts. I have family there and go every couple years; its like going to Europe.

Below is Viña del Mar, where seafood is cheap and world class, along with beer and nice living.


https://www.touropia.com/gfx/b/2016/12/Vina_del_mar.jpg

https://ecelaspanish.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Vina-Del-Mar-Destination-1024x680.jpg

https://strapi-images-prod.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/vina-del-mar-chile-shutterstock_1095170075_d115bcc1d4.jpeg
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They WERE a good choice. They just voted to get rid of their Constitution and have been infected with the cancel culture. Socialism is going to come in hard and destroy the place.

Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:39:42 PM EDT
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Croatia (throw in Montenegro and Serbia as well) is one of the nicest places I've visited in Europe, and I've been all over.  Crystal clear water, beautiful coastlines, friendly people, and low cost of living.  However, due to Russians buying up everything in sight, they have made foreign ownership of property more difficult.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:41:17 PM EDT
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They WERE a good choice. They just voted to get rid of their Constitution and have been infected with the cancel culture. Socialism is going to come in hard and destroy the place.

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Uhm....Chile. Zero crime. Solid Economy. Super awesome folks and its a mirror image of California coasts. I have family there and go every couple years; its like going to Europe.

Below is Viña del Mar, where seafood is cheap and world class, along with beer and nice living.


https://www.touropia.com/gfx/b/2016/12/Vina_del_mar.jpg

https://ecelaspanish.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Vina-Del-Mar-Destination-1024x680.jpg

https://strapi-images-prod.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/vina-del-mar-chile-shutterstock_1095170075_d115bcc1d4.jpeg



They WERE a good choice. They just voted to get rid of their Constitution and have been infected with the cancel culture. Socialism is going to come in hard and destroy the place.


That's exactly what I found while researching.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:44:52 PM EDT
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They WERE a good choice. They just voted to get rid of their Constitution and have been infected with the cancel culture. Socialism is going to come in hard and destroy the place.

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Uhm....Chile. Zero crime. Solid Economy. Super awesome folks and its a mirror image of California coasts. I have family there and go every couple years; its like going to Europe.

Below is Viña del Mar, where seafood is cheap and world class, along with beer and nice living.


https://www.touropia.com/gfx/b/2016/12/Vina_del_mar.jpg

https://ecelaspanish.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Vina-Del-Mar-Destination-1024x680.jpg

https://strapi-images-prod.s3.us-west-1.amazonaws.com/vina-del-mar-chile-shutterstock_1095170075_d115bcc1d4.jpeg



They WERE a good choice. They just voted to get rid of their Constitution and have been infected with the cancel culture. Socialism is going to come in hard and destroy the place.



Not at all, i talk to my family there all the time. Their constitution has changed lots of times; its not like here in the US.  Basically, some stuff had to change. For example, when getting a bank loan -- they ask for references; like "who do you know".  Which is crazy. And i agree -- thats BS. So if you're not from a good family of name, you cannot get a home loan or business loan or get into a good school. And that stuff needed to change.  

Sort of like "no more descrimination" by name.  I wont say race as there are only white euro-latin folks there. When i grew up there, i didnt see a black person the first 14 years of my life.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:45:43 PM EDT
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Why are we taking dying off the table?
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:46:21 PM EDT
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#vampirevalues
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:51:11 PM EDT
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Costa Rica?  When I was last there, it was a bunch of American Ex-pats and retired people.
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Murder rate per capita is 3x that of the US. Taxes are insane and forget "affordable" cars.    Residency is difficult unless you are rich.  Property has to be guarded 24/7.  Most expensive country in Central America.  Unemployment hitting 50%.  Pandemic restrictions have destroyed the economy and tourism, which is the same thing.  Energy costs are insane.

Imagine California but fucked up to the 100th power.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:52:18 PM EDT
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Costa Rica is really safe.

There are many more but my jam is CR.
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Ahh....no. Not "really" safe.

https://www.osac.gov/Country/Costa%20Rica/Content/Detail/Report/e21b7a07-15a4-4fda-93ca-18e81f6fbd8c
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:57:07 PM EDT
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After falling in love with Jamaica decades ago we looked at buying a place there. Money and location was right. THEN we started thinking about what happens if we couldn't get there. Soon after fuel prices spiked, airline tickets spiked and,,,,AA cancelled flights and we would not have been able to go. Dodged a bullet. Just sayin.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 6:57:28 PM EDT
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No, it isn't.  Nationwide murder rate is higher than Shitcago.  Costa Rica's is 10.6 per 100k and Shitcago's is 9.1.  US nation wide is 5 per 100k.

It's dangerous as fuck and getting worse.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:03:43 PM EDT
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Southwestern India.

Miles and miles of coconut trees and white sand beaches.  Only people are some local fishing villages that will stare at you because they think you’re a celebrity.  They’ve only seen white people in the movies.  

Don’t think you can actually own land, however.  Not sure how many countries actually allow foreigners to ‘own’ property.
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Kerala is gods own country
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:04:00 PM EDT
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Texas
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:19:39 PM EDT
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Belize
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:20:15 PM EDT
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No, it isn't.  Nationwide murder rate is higher than Shitcago.  Costa Rica's is 10.6 per 100k and Shitcago's is 9.1.  US nation wide is 5 per 100k.

It's dangerous as fuck and getting worse.
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Can I own and carry guns there?
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:23:22 PM EDT
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Murder rate per capita is 3x that of the US. Taxes are insane and forget "affordable" cars.    Residency is difficult unless you are rich.  Property has to be guarded 24/7.  Most expensive country in Central America.  Unemployment hitting 50%.  Pandemic restrictions have destroyed the economy and tourism, which is the same thing.  Energy costs are insane.

Imagine California but fucked up to the 100th power.
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No, it isn't.  Nationwide murder rate is higher than Shitcago.  Costa Rica's is 10.6 per 100k and Shitcago's is 9.1.  US nation wide is 5 per 100k.

It's dangerous as fuck and getting worse.
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That's ok. Probably better to leave it to little white girl backpackers and the rest of us
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:25:59 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:28:33 PM EDT
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Yeah Costa Rica....Guanacaste area but it won’t be cheap.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:29:29 PM EDT
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My sister has a bungalow a block from the beach in Malta.

Nice area, but touristy.

We haven’t been there for almost a year.

Hope it’s still there.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:29:30 PM EDT
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OP asked beach front. The only real dangerous place is the Capitol. Not beach front.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:30:24 PM EDT
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Kerala is gods own country
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Southwestern India.

Miles and miles of coconut trees and white sand beaches.  Only people are some local fishing villages that will stare at you because they think you're a celebrity.  They've only seen white people in the movies.  

Don't think you can actually own land, however.  Not sure how many countries actually allow foreigners to 'own' property.

Kerala is gods own country
My BIL is from Kerla.  It is still India.
Link Posted: 12/16/2020 7:35:25 PM EDT
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No, it isn't.  Nationwide murder rate is higher than Shitcago.  Costa Rica's is 10.6 per 100k and Shitcago's is 9.1.  US nation wide is 5 per 100k.

It's dangerous as fuck and getting worse.

Can I own and carry guns there?

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