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Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:37:47 PM EDT
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ya i dont buy it but thats just me
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page 2 belongs to me!!!
exactly....

the ice age after all that water from..........  

as in the days of Noah....
Link Posted: 5/14/2022 11:42:08 PM EDT
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Gulf of Mexico
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the ejecta doesnt exist though... ya it looks like someting buuuuut, it doesnt have the evidence of an impact....

also, i heard it described that you couldnt flash freeze wooly mammoths except if you got bigger temp swings than we get now.  ive heard models  htat say afer Flood,  the day to night temp swings were 100-300*F, or something like that. ive given up committing facts and figures to deep memory as folks are gonna hear and beleive what they want, so i need to free up hdd space, lolz
Link Posted: 5/15/2022 12:13:54 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 5/15/2022 10:34:40 AM EDT
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Uh huh. Working for them now.
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I just spent a couple months working close to the site where the impact happened, Merida mx. The burnt layers of rock are clearly evident in the road cuts there. Like 10-15' of just burnt pink limestone.



Uh huh. Working for them now.
No shit? Damn, wish I'd have known, we had some good long breaks, could have grabbed some tacos for lunch or something.
I hope your job goes much more smoothly than ours did, that place is a clusterfuck.
Link Posted: 5/15/2022 10:38:34 AM EDT
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I just impressed that we had video back then
Link Posted: 5/15/2022 10:45:52 AM EDT
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No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.

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Life Always Finds A Way

Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.

It is an interesting concept and one I have heard before.

Really should read up on it to know what is being talked about.
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Pretty clear both via depth maps showing the ejecta ring and center mound from "back slap", looking like other craters on dry land that have the little rise around lip of crater then center coming up again halfway or even to the former surface, example there is Crater Lake in the US, as well as gravity maps that show density in the area, posted below.

https://i.imgur.com/OxZ4qKX.gif


https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/158126/ED9AC833-C202-45DC-9304-03AFB37D2830_jpe-2384205.JPG

https://i.imgur.com/VnA4X7i.gif

Compared to Crater Lake, much smaller size, and rotated a bit (120 CW) as well:

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Crater lake is volcanic, not caused by a meteor. Not sure why you are using it as an example in comparison to an impact crater.
Link Posted: 5/15/2022 11:05:18 AM EDT
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Next time, let an American name the crater. "Chicxulub?" Snort.
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They'll need better tires.
Link Posted: 5/15/2022 11:30:58 AM EDT
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Fortunately for the dinosaurs they were not around to experience the unspeakable horrors of Jan 6th. Literally worst day in the history of the universe.
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No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.

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Life Always Finds A Way

Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it
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I've seen them. The most amazing thing proving their authenticity is that they use the exact same default font & margins as Microsoft Word 97.
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Fortunately for the dinosaurs they were not around to experience the unspeakable horrors of Jan 6th. Literally worst day in the history of the universe.
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I've seen them. The most amazing thing proving their authenticity is that they use the exact same default font & margins as Microsoft Word 97.
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So no "100,000" year old records. Got it
I've seen them. The most amazing thing proving their authenticity is that they use the exact same default font & margins as Microsoft Word 97.



Atlantians knew a good thing when they saw it.
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No shit? Damn, wish I'd have known, we had some good long breaks, could have grabbed some tacos for lunch or something.
I hope your job goes much more smoothly than ours did, that place is a clusterfuck.
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I meant them the omnipresent powers that be that try to hide the truth from us.
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So no “100,000” year old records. Got it
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Life Always Finds A Way

Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.
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Need a bigger wagon.
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Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.
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The point is incredibly simple and it's origins are clearly present in the entire post train you reposted.

We were told of written records dating back a hundred thousand years.

Proof of these records was requested.

Suddenly, Amber heard tells us we can't see the records because we wouldn't believe them.

Then, Amber Heard's lawyer swoops in to tell us to stop bulling her and to support her statement of 100,000 thousand year old written records by telling us that writing is only 5000 years old.
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Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.
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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?  

100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


What you said is correct.  However, I was replying to the poster who mentioned 100,000 year old records.   That is a specific assertation that kinda requires specific information to back it up, yes? I would love to see these "100,000 year old records."   That human civilization is older than we currently give it credit is almost a certainty and every once in a while a discovery pushes that clock back in time. However, claiming that there are 100,000 year old records--records, not ancient oral tradition, not cave paintings--but specific ancient records that provide data (after all, isn't that what a "record" would be?) That is a bold claim that one would be skeptical of and one would naturally want to see proof, yes?

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Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.
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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


i honestly can't tell if this quote chain is a science person arguing with a religion person, or an alternative science person arguing with a science person who is also a religion person.

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i honestly can't tell if this quote chain is a science person arguing with a religion person, or an alternative science person arguing with a science person who is also a religion person.

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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


i honestly can't tell if this quote chain is a science person arguing with a religion person, or an alternative science person arguing with a science person who is also a religion person.



?  I don't think anyting I said was "alternative" nor religious.
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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.



Yes.  There is no physical evidence of written communication. I have been looking at Gobekli Tepe.  I would have to believe, just looking at the way it was built, that there was someway mathematics was communicated from one group/generation to another.  There had to have been some knowledge transfer. It was built over a long period of time.  There was a knowledge of footings for support. Measurements for cutting the stone.   I think it is from 12,000 years ago.
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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


i honestly can't tell if this quote chain is a science person arguing with a religion person, or an alternative science person arguing with a science person who is also a religion person.


Fair question.  I'm a science person, but one that takes a critical view of the echo chamber "experts" tend to make around incomplete evidence.  I suppose some would call me alternative science, but remember that the Chicxulub impact was strongly attacked even after they literally found and dated the crater and layers, but is now considered mainstream.  The core concept of science is to question everything and refine all observations.
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Fair question.  I'm a science person, but one that takes a critical view of the echo chamber "experts" tend to make around incomplete evidence.  I suppose some would call me alternative science, but remember that the Chicxulub impact was strongly attacked even after they literally found and dated the crater and layers, but is now considered mainstream.  The core concept of science is to question everything and refine all observations.
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So asking to see 100,000 year old records should be routine and not wanting to share them should be a red flag.
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Yes.  There is no physical evidence of written communication. I have been looking at Gobekli Tepe.  I would have to believe, just looking at the way it was built, that there was someway mathematics was communicated from one group/generation to another.  There had to have been some knowledge transfer. It was built over a long period of time.  There was a knowledge of footings for support. Measurements for cutting the stone.   I think it is from 12,000 years ago.
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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.



Yes.  There is no physical evidence of written communication. I have been looking at Gobekli Tepe.  I would have to believe, just looking at the way it was built, that there was someway mathematics was communicated from one group/generation to another.  There had to have been some knowledge transfer. It was built over a long period of time.  There was a knowledge of footings for support. Measurements for cutting the stone.   I think it is from 12,000 years ago.



Like I said, every once in a while a discovery pushes the age back of civilization. And yes, it is reasonable to assume that building such a structure would require knowlege transfer, language, and perhaps even writing and mathematics. However, pusing back the known age of civilization a few thousand years is not the same as a an abrupt shift of 100,000 years. That Gobekli is one of our oldest known organized building sites at 12 K years ago doesn't support the idea of 100,000 year old records. That is nearly a tenfold difference.
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What you said is correct.  However, I was replying to the poster who mentioned 100,000 year old records.   That is a specific assertation that kinda requires specific information to back it up, yes? I would love to see these "100,000 year old records."   That human civilization is older than we currently give it credit is almost a certainty and every once in a while a discovery pushes that clock back in time. However, claiming that there are 100,000 year old records--records, not ancient oral tradition, not cave paintings--but specific ancient records that provide data (after all, isn't that what a "record" would be?) That is a bold claim that one would be skeptical of and one would naturally want to see proof, yes?

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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?  

100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


What you said is correct.  However, I was replying to the poster who mentioned 100,000 year old records.   That is a specific assertation that kinda requires specific information to back it up, yes? I would love to see these "100,000 year old records."   That human civilization is older than we currently give it credit is almost a certainty and every once in a while a discovery pushes that clock back in time. However, claiming that there are 100,000 year old records--records, not ancient oral tradition, not cave paintings--but specific ancient records that provide data (after all, isn't that what a "record" would be?) That is a bold claim that one would be skeptical of and one would naturally want to see proof, yes?


"Records" is an interesting word in this context.  Obviously we don't have records that meet today's standards of authenticity, but oral records shouldn't be ignored even knowing what thousands of years of the telephone game can do.  Imagine in the distant future archeologists saying WW2 didn't happen because we don't have holo signed quantum recordings of it.  I think there's a kernel of truth in just about every ancient legend, though few if any are literal history.
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So asking to see 100,000 year old records should be routine and not wanting to share them should be a red flag.
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Fair question.  I'm a science person, but one that takes a critical view of the echo chamber "experts" tend to make around incomplete evidence.  I suppose some would call me alternative science, but remember that the Chicxulub impact was strongly attacked even after they literally found and dated the crater and layers, but is now considered mainstream.  The core concept of science is to question everything and refine all observations.
So asking to see 100,000 year old records should be routine and not wanting to share them should be a red flag.


Absolutely.


IMHO, there is no such thing as "alternative science." Either an endeavor follows the scientific method or it doesn't.
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Absolutely.


IMHO, there is no such thing as "alternative science." Either an endeavor follows the scientific method or it doesn't.
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"Records" is an interesting word in this context.  Obviously we don't have records that meet today's standards of authenticity, but oral records shouldn't be ignored even knowing what thousands of years of the telephone game can do.  Imagine in the distant future archeologists saying WW2 didn't happen because we don't have holo signed quantum recordings of it.  I think there's a kernel of truth in just about every ancient legend, though few if any are literal history.
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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?  

100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


What you said is correct.  However, I was replying to the poster who mentioned 100,000 year old records.   That is a specific assertation that kinda requires specific information to back it up, yes? I would love to see these "100,000 year old records."   That human civilization is older than we currently give it credit is almost a certainty and every once in a while a discovery pushes that clock back in time. However, claiming that there are 100,000 year old records--records, not ancient oral tradition, not cave paintings--but specific ancient records that provide data (after all, isn't that what a "record" would be?) That is a bold claim that one would be skeptical of and one would naturally want to see proof, yes?


"Records" is an interesting word in this context.  Obviously we don't have records that meet today's standards of authenticity, but oral records shouldn't be ignored even knowing what thousands of years of the telephone game can do.  Imagine in the distant future archeologists saying WW2 didn't happen because we don't have holo signed quantum recordings of it.  I think there's a kernel of truth in just about every ancient legend, though few if any are literal history.


Oral histories are not records by any standard. They have their own position in research. They can be helpful or they can be complete myths or a combination of both. Like a game of telephone, the further one goes from the original story, the less accurate they become and, as such, really can't be considered a record of anything unless corroborated. Consider how false the "oral history" of the Ferguson shooting was compared to the actual facts of the case. Now consider the oral history of that incident, passed from story teller to story teller over a thousand years and you'll see that oral traditions going that far back really aren't dependable at all.  Can you point out a 100,000 year oral history? I certainly can't and considering the changes in language, culture, and humanity (considering that oral histories are very language and culture dependent)  itself during that time period, I'd suggest that a 100,000 year old oral history is an extremely unlikely thing. Regardless, he/she didn't say "oral history" or "legends" (and putting a 100,000 date on either would be laughable anyway) he/she specifically said "records." And, knowing that he/she is not someone from the distant future, he/she obviously meant "records" as we understand them today.
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Like I said, every once in a while a discovery pushes the age back of civilization. And yes, it is reasonable to assume that building such a structure would require knowlege transfer, language, and perhaps even writing and mathematics. However, pusing back the known age of civilization a few thousand years is not the same as a an abrupt shift of 100,000 years. That Gobekli is one of our oldest known organized building sites at 12 K years ago doesn't support the idea of 100,000 year old records. That is nearly a tenfold difference.
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Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?



I guess, it depends, on the meaning of communication.  The military still draws information on the ground with sticks and string to show what needs to be done. I will bet this goes back far into human history.


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100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.



Yes.  There is no physical evidence of written communication. I have been looking at Gobekli Tepe.  I would have to believe, just looking at the way it was built, that there was someway mathematics was communicated from one group/generation to another.  There had to have been some knowledge transfer. It was built over a long period of time.  There was a knowledge of footings for support. Measurements for cutting the stone.   I think it is from 12,000 years ago.



Like I said, every once in a while a discovery pushes the age back of civilization. And yes, it is reasonable to assume that building such a structure would require knowlege transfer, language, and perhaps even writing and mathematics. However, pusing back the known age of civilization a few thousand years is not the same as a an abrupt shift of 100,000 years. That Gobekli is one of our oldest known organized building sites at 12 K years ago doesn't support the idea of 100,000 year old records. That is nearly a tenfold difference.

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I meant them the omnipresent powers that be that try to hide the truth from us.
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I meant them the omnipresent powers that be that try to hide the truth from us.
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It was only 6-10km.

While a big rock, Earth was hit by bigger before the dinosaurs.

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People ate the dinosaurs.

There was no meteor.



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maybe it's a mistranslation. The earth was struck with meat eaters not a meteor
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Life Always Finds A Way

Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


i honestly can't tell if this quote chain is a science person arguing with a religion person, or an alternative science person arguing with a science person who is also a religion person.



?  I don't think anyting I said was "alternative" nor religious.



less talking to me.  more fighting with each other for my entertainment.

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Those guys don’t know shit about drilling solid iron. But, I do…

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Life Always Finds A Way

Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


i honestly can't tell if this quote chain is a science person arguing with a religion person, or an alternative science person arguing with a science person who is also a religion person.



?  I don't think anyting I said was "alternative" nor religious.



less talking to me.  more fighting with each other for my entertainment.

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Read up on the Great Dying.  The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs did less damage to living creatures than happened during the Great Dying.
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The point is incredibly simple and it's origins are clearly present in the entire post train you reposted.

We were told of written records dating back a hundred thousand years.

Proof of these records was requested.

Suddenly, Amber heard tells us we can't see the records because we wouldn't believe them.

Then, Amber Heard's lawyer swoops in to tell us to stop bulling her and to support her statement of 100,000 thousand year old written records by telling us that writing is only 5000 years old.
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you all do know the Devil put dinosaur bones in the earth to test man's faith in God
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The map displayed in the video was wrong.  It showed the arrangement of the continents today.  200 million years ago, the supercontinent Pangea had all the world’s landmass bunched together.  65 million years ago, it would have spread out somewhat, but would not be close to today’s arrangement.
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The point is incredibly simple and it's origins are clearly present in the entire post train you reposted.

We were told of written records dating back a hundred thousand years.

Proof of these records was requested.

Suddenly, Amber heard tells us we can't see the records because we wouldn't believe them.

Then, Amber Heard's lawyer swoops in to tell us to stop bulling her and to support her statement of 100,000 thousand year old written records by telling us that writing is only 5000 years old.
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I refuse to stop bulling Amber Heard. Damn her lawyer.
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the ejecta doesnt exist though... ya it looks like someting buuuuut, it doesnt have the evidence of an impact....

also, i heard it described that you couldnt flash freeze wooly mammoths except if you got bigger temp swings than we get now.  ive heard models  htat say afer Flood,  the day to night temp swings were 100-300*F, or something like that. ive given up committing facts and figures to deep memory as folks are gonna hear and beleive what they want, so i need to free up hdd space, lolz
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the ejecta doesnt exist though... ya it looks like someting buuuuut, it doesnt have the evidence of an impact....

also, i heard it described that you couldnt flash freeze wooly mammoths except if you got bigger temp swings than we get now.  ive heard models  htat say afer Flood,  the day to night temp swings were 100-300*F, or something like that. ive given up committing facts and figures to deep memory as folks are gonna hear and beleive what they want, so i need to free up hdd space, lolz

So you just decided there wasn't evidence of an impact?

There's a fuckload more evidence of an asteroid killing (the asteroid that left that crater, specifically) the dinosaurs than a "global flood" and those temperature swings?  Please tell me you're joking and you don't honestly believe that shit.
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Life Always Finds A Way

Religions worldwide all agree on more than one Historical Extinction Level Event and some say parts of The Bible are instruction Manual of sorts for how to restart civilization instead of needing to completely evolve again.  Some of those records can stretch back to a hundred thousand years ago.  How do you store that information where it is sure to last a million years though every type of event?  Some place that some survivors from a quirk area of Earth survived and grew enough into hunter gatherers until they found The Rules, perhaps saved in a few dozen places so it could be found before humans fight themselves back into extinction?


100 thousand year old records? Need to see that citation


No citation you would "accept" has that information.  Once any geology, archaeology, or other science career topic drifts into those areas, the people are quickly removed from their scholarly work and become "para-" doctors and scientists.  Same way people believing in ESP and UFOs were "para-science" but now that the .gov is out in the open discussing these "para-scientists" proofs and results, things are being said more and papers are actually being published instead of kept on the down low.

Archeologists are the worse.  Their version of history changes by centuries every 10 years and not always in the same direction even for the same location.   In short, "Official Sources" or "Valid Sources" are restricted sources since too much information in the hands of people who didn't get a doctorate is dangerous, same way a president who wasn't part of the club was "Dangerous".

There is plenty of evidence around especially in Mayan calendars and their shared ancestors back to the Inca Gods where the number of "cycles" is disputed but argued at a low of 4-6 and more, and those cycles are 26000 years each.  Similar calendars are in India and Sumaria.  They don't match up numerically due to different lengths of measurement units of day/month/year/etc, but on celestial events and other records of major geological or meteorological change, some approximation to the current definition of years can be made.  However, this is all "para-science" since nothing existed prior to 50,000 years ago that resembled modern humans, and people refuse to accept existence of other extinct creatures being our ancestors, not in the Darwinian profile, but the dinosaurs were the king of their age, smaller and smarter beings became kings after peaks of intelligence causing wasteful things settled down again (depending on how you call genocide as peaceful or not).  Inuit tribes kept records, they've all kept and shared records and they've all managed to save some information in a safe place, as their history includes the disaster and reborn events so attempts are made to try and secure something for the future survivors of whatever lies next.  Were doing it now with the Seed Vault in Norway and Clock of the Long Now in Nevada (temporarily paused at the moment, IIRC), as well as other places not publicized but rumored, lots of nuclear defense bunkers and constructions to hold tens of thousands for a while with everything needed to come out and kickstart life once safe again, or until they run out of some resource, anyway.

TL;DR - There is none other than supposition and doing piecewise match ups of known celestial events, Magnetic Creep of North Pole and possible rotation changes from asteroid strikes, and other indicators can be copied and pasted together to create many alternative histories, each as valid as our own mainstream history held so dear by The Professionals.


So no “100,000” year old records. Got it

Writing wasn't invented until about 5000 years ago but human civilization is most definitely older than that. Oral traditions are basically not possible to date. Plenty of art pieces dated to 30-40k years ago. If you're trying to make a point spit it out.


i honestly can't tell if this quote chain is a science person arguing with a religion person, or an alternative science person arguing with a science person who is also a religion person.



?  I don't think anyting I said was "alternative" nor religious.



less talking to me.  more fighting with each other for my entertainment.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26435/commodus_jpeg-2384970.JPG

Fair enough.



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That was an incredibly informative video. Thanks for posting!
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