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Posted: 10/13/2021 7:39:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:39:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 7:40:20 PM EDT by Grug]
all of them at once

Velocimag, Stinger, stuff like that otherwise.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:40:01 PM EDT
Stingers?
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:41:15 PM EDT
Velocitor
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:43:25 PM EDT
Probably any of them. Aguila 60 grain SSS subsonic really does tumble in flight too. Living room distance, and it tumbles. That would be as good of a choice as any.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:44:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 7:44:38 PM EDT by HammerHammer]
Those solid copper CCI loads might work. They’re something like 19 grains at 1800fps. Good luck finding some though.

Otherwise… Velocitors, Stingers or MiniMags.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:44:21 PM EDT
Another vote for velocitor.

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:44:26 PM EDT
I would go look at ballistic gelatin penetration and expansion for a short barrel, but here is a free bump in case one of the GD autists can regurgitate or link that info up.

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:45:10 PM EDT
Stinger or Velocitor
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:45:42 PM EDT
9mm
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:47:30 PM EDT
CB Shorts
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:48:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 7:52:09 PM EDT by Knothead71]
Federal just came out with a new .22lr cartridge designed for self defense. I think it's called Punch but not sure. I haven't tried it yet but on my next long break from work I'm going to see how it does in my M and P .22 pistol. Might be worth a look, OP
ETA link
https://www.federalpremium.com/rimfire/personal-defense-punch-rimfire/11-PD22L1.html
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:49:14 PM EDT
Wasn't there someone loading 22 LR bullets in a 12 gauge shotgun shell? I vote that.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:50:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
Stingers?
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That would get my vote.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:50:42 PM EDT
CCI Stinger or any of the other hyper-velocity offerings. MAKE CERTAIN whatever she chooses will load, shoot and eject from her gun. Try to get her to run at least a hundred (preferably two hundred) rounds through it to vet the ammo/gun combination, learn to confidently hit a bad-guy size target at practical distances and learn to load and empty her gun efficiently.

Please start with the FOUR ABSOLUTES of safe gun handling.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:51:19 PM EDT
Don’t know if you can find the remington yellow jacket anymore, but I would look for them stinger’s of something along that line.
Think speed and a bullet that deforms
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:52:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By basp2005:
9mm
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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:52:28 PM EDT
I just bought some Winchester "Silvertip" segmented HPs (at WallyWorld of all places.) Don't know much about it, but it was in stock and I thought I would give it a try.

"1
Segmenting Hollow Point
Achieves devestating energy transfer by splitting into four pieces upon impact, while the bullet base still achieves deep penetration.
2
Optimized for Short Barrels
Powder is tailored for common personal defense firearms to deliver the velocity required to initiate segmentation upon impact.
"

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https://winchester.com/Products/Ammunition/Rimfire/Silvertip-Rimfire

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:53:12 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Grug:
all of them at once

Velocimag, Stinger, stuff like that otherwise.
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DANG - FPNI and beat
came here to say THIS LOL
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:53:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By basp2005:
9mm
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Lol insraelis did some work with .22’s. Also that gangbanger killed that cop with a glock in .22.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:55:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By basp2005:
9mm
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This!
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 7:55:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Makarov:
CCI Stinger or any of the other hyper-velocity offerings. MAKE CERTAIN whatever she chooses will load, shoot and eject from her gun. Try to get her to run at least a hundred (preferably two hundred) rounds through it to vet the ammo/gun combination, learn to confidently hit a bad-guy size target at practical distances and learn to load and empty her gun efficiently.

Please start with the FOUR ABSOLUTES of safe gun handling.
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Hmm - it's a revolver so it will definitely load and eject. Most likely no problem igniting the rounds either.
Fast Defensive reloading a 22LR though is something I would like to see

Maybe a good Miculek challenge! Do they make speed clips for 22LR Airweight?
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:01:50 PM EDT
Something made by CCI, which IME is the most likely to go bang when the hammer drops.

This is the reason that I think WMR should be the only .22 rimfire to consider for defense.  In general, it seems to be made with much more care and is more likely to have priming compound around the entire rim.  The enhances terminal ballistics while still having minimal recoil also doesn't hurt.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:07:52 PM EDT
These two should be near the top:

Aguila Interceptor 40gr @1470 fps and 195ft/lb

Aguila Supermaximum 30gr @1700fps and 193ft/lb

Both have slightly more energy than Stingers (4ft/lb and 2ft/lb respectively).

Good luck finding either because I haven't been able to find them for 5+ years.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:12:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By vkeith:
These two should be near the top:

Aguila Interceptor 40gr @1470 fps and 195ft/lb

Aguila Supermaximum 30gr @1700fps and 193ft/lb

Both have slightly more energy than Stingers (4ft/lb and 2ft/lb respectively).

Good luck finding either because I haven't been able to find them for 5+ years.
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Velocitors are 40 @ 1435
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:12:48 PM EDT
.22 for self defense..LOL
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:15:33 PM EDT
Put 'em in an A180, I imagine most any would do if you hit 'em 40 or 50 times.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:15:43 PM EDT
Out of a pistol I don’t think any will expand but I’m voting for Velocitor.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:16:30 PM EDT
Early this year I bought an LCP II in .22LR mainly because I wanted a pistol that would fit in a swimsuit or workout shorts pocket. I was going to get a .380, but there was no ammo anywhere to be found and I had a pile of .22.

CCI Mini Mags have been perfect so far and it’s what I carry.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:18:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:19:17 PM EDT
22LR Beehive
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:20:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:22:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By basp2005:
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Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:22:28 PM EDT
.22 HP is the best short range sniper round of all time, any of them work well if you can hit the head.  If you can't you better have a big dog or something a little more stout.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:24:42 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Singlestack_Wonder:
.22 for self defense..LOL
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1. The presence of a gun stops the majority of bad encounters.
2. Bad guys rarely opt to stick around for a gun fight.
3. People carrying a gun for self defense are not required to chase down the bad guy and put them behind bars.  They simply need to break contact.
3. A gun that someone is comfortable with beats a deadlier caliber they are afraid of or incapable of shooting accurately.
4. .22 has a sizable body count attached to it.

lol
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:24:43 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Happy_Hour_Hero:
Velocitor
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Only this!
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:25:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Makarov:
CCI Stinger or any of the other hyper-velocity offerings. MAKE CERTAIN whatever she chooses will load, shoot and eject from her gun. Try to get her to run at least a hundred (preferably two hundred) rounds through it to vet the ammo/gun combination, learn to confidently hit a bad-guy size target at practical distances and learn to load and empty her gun efficiently.

Please start with the FOUR ABSOLUTES of safe gun handling.
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Can’t run a slide or semi and we’re worried about reloading a wheel gun?
Doesn’t seem practical to me
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:27:37 PM EDT
I’d use Stingers.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:28:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:29:29 PM EDT
Winchester 42gr Subsonic

The Ultimate (((Almost))) 22 Ballistic High Speed Slomo Video

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:30:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 8:30:54 PM EDT by Ringsting]
10mm jhp identifing as a .22lr
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:32:19 PM EDT
Stinger.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:37:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 8:38:13 PM EDT by martin248]
A case of Lapua X-Act match grade 22lr

Because it's pricy, and if you had some you could sell it for good money and buy a better gun.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:44:11 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:44:18 PM EDT
Forget the Federal Punch. The boxes I shot were standard velocity, 1070 fps.  Not sure what the point is.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:46:14 PM EDT
Federal GameShok has a decent punch for a 40gr bullet.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:48:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Ivan1:

Lol insraelis did some work with .22’s. Also that gangbanger killed that cop with a glock in .22.
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.22’s absolutely can kill people.

It just sucks at it.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:49:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:51:05 PM EDT
Stinger, Velocitor or Aguila SuperMax
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:55:21 PM EDT
OP, ignore the peanut gallery. My wife carries a .22lr Ruger LCR loaded with Velocitors.
I’ve been carrying an LCP II in .22 on and off. I have seen plenty of dead people who were ended with a .22 and none of them complained.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 8:56:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/13/2021 8:59:13 PM EDT by FG24U]
How about one designed for SD?

Federal Punch
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