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Posted: 3/21/2017 6:23:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/27/2020 7:57:52 AM EST by LittlePony]
:Random Updates will be at the top here in the OP:

new 2021 Telluride Nightfall edition, now with lots of black chrome

customers have been wanting this look from the moment it hit the lots earlier this year.



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hmm?

I will try to respond to your question with a mention @
or if you need me, PM or @ me.

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Number one things you should do to your kia
Change oil every 3.7-5k or so with spec oil.

Change your trans fluid every "60k severe" to "100k normal" with oem fluid, I don't care what the manual says, ignore it, i have seen to much shit first hand.

If you have a turbo engine
I would use synthetic oil, change oil every 3.7-4.7k, and have the turbo oil feed lines checked regularly at the dealer, once they get to about 60k miles they can leak or fail, it's a known potential issue., their is even a Service Action for this now.

Out of all the kias I have worked on, their is only one generation of a model that i recommend to stay away from, the 03 to 09 Sorento know as the BL platform, really any pre 2010 kia, save for the unique Amanti, all of them are starting to get old anyway

We ABSOLUTELY HATE aftermarket remote starts, i cant say for other manufactures, but are systems are sensitive anytime you tap in to something that was not designed to have any more strain on it, they can fuck up so much stuff its crazy, dash clusters, radios, power locks, freaking engine control problems, list goes on, OEM remote start or bust.

For god sakes if you're going to buy a Kia and you want one with the sunroof buy one with the sunroof and don't make some aftermarket company install one

People ask why Kia and Hyundai we're such crap cars back in the day.

Heres what I think, right after World War II Korea got a late start compared to Japan, and then immediately fell into war, so they had to start from scratch, and also unlike Japan at the time, South Korea was a dictatorship, then turned oligarchy,  and then finally to a democracy in 1987.

So after war and being under authoritarian rule for decades it was held back and pretty much all respects, Healthcare, technology, general standard of living everything, look at all the former republics of the Soviet Union and how they are still trying to play catch-up, centralized authoritarian regimes destroy everything, and hold the nation back, the only hope for a authoritarian regime to survive long-term, and not fall into technological stagnation, is probably to be some sort of federalist oligarchy.

So that's why I think Kia and Hyundai we're so far behind compared to everyone else, it's because the whole damn nation was behind everybody else, and to me the post authoritarian economic Miracle for South Korea is more impressive than Japan's ever was, considering South Korea had a 40-year late start.

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since its been asked here is the know common'ish issues on Kia/Hyundai engines, in no particular order i will use the just now previous generation of engines that were typicality from 2011 to 2016, there is hundreds of thousands of these types everywhere and they were all updated for the 2017 model year in one way or another, and most of those are too new to know what is going to happen just yet

first i will go over a common issue that is for all of the engines of this period that is typicality due to customer neglect and that is our oil control valves "ocv" for the Variable valve timing, they love to clog up over time if people are going 10-15k on the oil repeatedly over years and years, luckily they are fairly inexpensive and easy to replace

some of the variable valve runner systems on our engines will go out of wack or break, plastic water temperature control assemblies "thermostat housing for non kia people" that will crack, and GDI systems that need to have replacement procedures done perfectly or people might burn to death, but to continue.

first i will go over our most common complicated engine the 11-16 lambda v6 MPI/GDI
note 1: a uncommon issue but noteworthy on some of these is dependent on build date and plant manufacture 2011-13 MPI v6 sorentos, some of the VVT actuators were causing issues with ridiculous start up chatter due to a dry'ish vvt system
note 2: the most common issue on these engines is to have a oil pressure switch "or oil sending unit as non kia people call it" failure, it will function perfectly fine, but the internal seal will fail causing the engine valley to fill up and leak onto the transmission causing one hell of a mess, its a inexpensive part but takes a few hours a labor to get to, typically happens around the 60-90k mark

11-16 gamma I4
note 1: purge control solenoid valve failure, the dang things are just for emissions but they are quite common to go bad on any car with a gamma in it, dirt cheap and anyone can replace one
note 2: uncommon but bad cats, perhaps not necessarily the engines direct fault but were ever the kia souls got their cats from some of them will plug, melt or just straight up die, luckily now though this issue is now covered under a service campaign so this issue will typically be no cost to the customer now.

11-16 Nu I4
note 1: truly unforgiving of low oil, this engine only holds 4 US quarts of oil, if you only have 2 in it can hop time, notably on the exhaust cam
note 2: rare, but just enough to note, random timing chain tensioner failure, strangely most of the ones we have seen this happen to have not caused engine destruction despite being a interference engine, it will typically jump time on both cams and throw correlation codes up like mad, this seems to happen on cars that are near or over 100k so we typicality get a new tensioner and reset the timing and all is good again, but then some just simply destroyed. 3 also has the possibility of having premature cat failure but seemingly not as common as the gamma.

The American and even some of the Korean built 11-16 Theta GDI 2.4L or 2L turbo engine
it only has one issue really, everything else about it is fine, just one flaw ... just ... one, Hyundai plant in Alabama fucked up building nearly 2 million of them from 11 to 16, The MPI version that is typically the standard engine across the world that is still built and used to this day is great, same thing goes for the Mitsubishi and Chrysler version of the engine, but the GDI version that Hyundai developed after the fall of the Global Engine Alliance was the only version available in the states due to emission and gas mileage regulations on many models

The GDI version just simply push the design limits for the engine too far, notably taking out rod bearing like crazy, whether it is bearing clearances being to tight or the Pistons getting too hot i dont know, but NONE of our other GDI engines have this issue, just this one engine that came out of that god forsaken plant in Alabama, it is not good for us, costing the Group as a whole tens of millions of dollars but luckily its days are now numbered so i will be glad when i will never have to see these dang things ever again

in somewhat related news to the above subaru just wrapped up a class action for a similar issue on their flat engines rod bearings from 2012-2017 but with no recall issued, maybe our bearing sources were the same, dont know and almost impossible to figure out since i am not in the know

but there you go that is our most common engine issues, and really ... thats just all we see ... they just work
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:25:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/21/2017 6:26:10 PM EST by fla556guy]
Are they the new honda?  As in....reliable, cheap, and all that...or ???

Also, are the tech refs in korean?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:26:12 PM EST
Is there enough room in the trunk for more than one dead hooker?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:27:17 PM EST
Nothing
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:27:41 PM EST
does the timing belt on an 06 sportage really need to be changed at 60K?

the one we have is just at 57K
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:27:46 PM EST
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Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:29:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/21/2017 6:29:54 PM EST by beitodesstrafe]
For whatever it's worth, I recently spent some time in the Hyundai plant in Alabama for work. They build a couple engine lines for the Kia plant near by.

I was very impressed with the assembly line and the knowledge of the workers there.

(I'm .gov, not affiliated with the company).
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:30:21 PM EST
Was it you or BP that posted the pic and had people guess how many guns you had on? Still amazes me how such a small framed guy had so many guns.
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:31:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/21/2017 6:31:48 PM EST by LittlePony]
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Are they the new honda?  As in....reliable, cheap, and all that...or ???

Also, are the tech refs in korean?
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reliable? enough so to have a 10 year 100k mile power train warranty

cheap yes, engines are primitive compared to competitors, we do not have any Variable valve lift tech, we only have variable valve timing, so no VTECH KICK IN action
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:31:31 PM EST
Can you get me wholesale price on this?

Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:31:54 PM EST
If I buy a K900, will all the town's milfs try to holler at me when I roll up to Starbucks?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:32:04 PM EST
Why would I drive a little car when I can drive a lifted, topless Jeep?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:32:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Goosemaster:
Is there enough room in the trunk for more than one dead hooker?
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get a sedona, you can fit plenty...
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:32:20 PM EST
Do you work for Kia public relations?  If not, then upgrade from a poor man's lexus to the real thing.

Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:32:41 PM EST
The 3.8 Lambda circa 2007/8 was a potentially very good engine, but crippled by totally defective timing chain tensioners.

Has KIA learned their lesson, and brought enough Japanese designers over on the boat, or hired German engineers, to unfuck themselves? (Never mind those KIA engines that had crank bolts fail and the engines were wrecked.)

Can they make an engine today that is not a grenade and a complete liability?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:33:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By my2Dogs:
does the timing belt on an 06 sportage really need to be changed at 60K?

the one we have is just at 57K
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do it now, 11 year old fabric reinforced rubber is simply not the same as it use to be
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:34:27 PM EST
A family friend owns a LARGE multi brand auto dealership.

He states that new Kia's are some of the best cars, in
terms of quality, that he sells.
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:35:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TacticalComputing:
Was it you or BP that posted the pic and had people guess how many guns you had on? Still amazes me how such a small framed guy had so many guns.
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my old edc

Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:35:42 PM EST
Do they make a hot hatchback, and how fast can it go around Hammerhead?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:36:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LittlePony:
my old edc

http://i.imgur.com/MAjGyF8.jpg
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Originally Posted By LittlePony:
Originally Posted By TacticalComputing:
Was it you or BP that posted the pic and had people guess how many guns you had on? Still amazes me how such a small framed guy had so many guns.
my old edc

http://i.imgur.com/MAjGyF8.jpg
that's impressive.
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:36:41 PM EST
how hard will the dealerships work to avoid letting me use that 10 year 100000 mile warranty?  if i was 1000 miles late on an oil change two years ago, am i totally screwed?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:37:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By midcap:
If I buy a K900, will all the town's milfs try to holler at me when I roll up to Starbucks?
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i wrote a little saying:



its a Kia

you will go completely unnoticed

but people that know, will know
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:37:30 PM EST
Meh..Kia priced themselves out of the entry level market
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:39:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AlamTX:
Do you work for Kia public relations?  If not, then upgrade from a poor man's lexus to the real thing.

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ha ha ha ha ha



no, you can keep your fancy Toyota, i have no hate for them though, they are number one in reliability for a reason
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:41:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LittlePony:


my old edc

http://i.imgur.com/MAjGyF8.jpg
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Agent 47 doesn't even carry that kind of firepower
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:41:49 PM EST
Where in Japan are they made?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:42:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PapaFoxtrot:
The 3.8 Lambda circa 2007/8 was a potentially very good engine, but crippled by totally defective timing chain tensioners.

Has KIA learned their lesson, and brought enough Japanese designers over on the boat, or hired German engineers, to unfuck themselves? (Never mind those KIA engines that had crank bolts fail and the engines were wrecked.)

Can they make an engine today that is not a grenade and a complete liability?
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the old lambda had some issues..., they were alot of new stuff for KIA and Hyundai to do on there own, now they are fine, but every once in a while on the newer lambda 2 engines a oil pressure switch will fail and spit oil in the  valley below the intake and make a mess on your floor, a big mess.
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:43:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LowBeta:
Do they make a hot hatchback, and how fast can it go around Hammerhead?
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we have a turbo soul now, and a turbo forte, they are nice
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:44:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BrickFrog:
how hard will the dealerships work to avoid letting me use that 10 year 100000 mile warranty?  if i was 1000 miles late on an oil change two years ago, am i totally screwed?
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uhhhhhhhhh, good luck
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:44:20 PM EST
I'm 64.  I bought a new 2012 Kia Soul in October of 2011.  I now have 25.3K miles on it.  Will this Kia Soul last me until I'm 100 and ready to buy my mid-life crisis Corvette and finally old enough to have to step down to a low-performance bike like a Harley?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:45:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MSC182:
Where in Japan are they made?
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they are made in korea and the us along with a few other places
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:47:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/21/2017 6:48:15 PM EST by SCPigpen]
I have a soul with just under 30k miles.
So far it's been a decent little car.

What should I be looking for in terms of stuff that will be breaking soon?

Eta: it's a 14 with the smaller engine.
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:47:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By die-tryin:
Meh..Kia priced themselves out of the entry level market
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uhhhh dont know what you are talking about we have anything from a 14k rio to a 62k k900

we have things for most people.

heck the new niro starts at 22k
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:48:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SCPigpen:
I have a soul with just under 30k miles.
So far it's been a decent little car.

What should I be looking for in terms of stuff that will be breaking soon?
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what year?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:49:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LittlePony:


what year?
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See edit.
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:49:46 PM EST
Why in the hell does Kia have proprietary speakers that have some obscure dimension, and also that stupid plastic mounting bracket that has another obscure dimension?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:52:02 PM EST
Is Kia the current version of 2009 Hunydai? who were very undervalued, well put together, and prices hadn't gone through the roof yet on them?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:52:15 PM EST
Are you worried about Hyundai peeing on you to establish dominance?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:52:57 PM EST
They have any good FWD cars with big spoilers?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:53:47 PM EST
Are there any model years of the Sedona to avoid due to reliability issues?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:53:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Are they the new honda?  As in....reliable, cheap, and all that...or ???

Also, are the tech refs in korean?
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Please...Id never buy a damn kia!
Honda all rhe way!
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:54:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LittlePony:
i wrote a little saying:



its a Kia

you will go completely unnoticed

but people that know, will know
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Originally Posted By LittlePony:
Originally Posted By midcap:
If I buy a K900, will all the town's milfs try to holler at me when I roll up to Starbucks?
i wrote a little saying:



its a Kia

you will go completely unnoticed

but people that know, will know
nice.
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:55:00 PM EST
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Hahaha...lmao, no shit. Dont want to know a damn thing about those cars!
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 6:57:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By myitinaw:

A family friend owns a LARGE multi brand auto dealership.

He states that new Kia's are some of the best cars, in
terms of quality, that he sells.
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Please....dont know until that crap has been on the road for some time.
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 7:01:27 PM EST
What color coveralls do the Koreans make you wear?

Link Posted: 3/21/2017 7:01:30 PM EST
Serious question, how reliable would this car be?  How much life left in it?  I might be looking for an "econobox gearshifter".

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/693490508/overview/
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 7:03:20 PM EST
Why don't they make anything cool?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 7:07:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LittlePony:


https://cdn.meme.am/instances/9327593.jpg

they are made in korea and the us along with a few other places
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There are fairly significant rumors that the fuel pumps are made in North Korea as part of an industrial exchange program...
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 7:09:38 PM EST
Are the engine blocks cast or MIM'd?
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 7:11:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/21/2017 7:13:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/16/2018 12:25:04 PM EST by LittlePony]
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See edit.
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Should be fine if you get a check engine light it could be a p0441, Which is a simple software update
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