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Posted: 10/23/2021 7:54:01 AM EDT
[#1]
Right on! I hope you stick it up their ass. Best of luck.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 7:59:15 AM EDT
[#2]
Good luck! I wish you success but am skeptical it will happen.
The Federal Government didn't mandate anything for you. It's your company that should be suing them. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:04:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck! I wish you success but am skeptical it will happen. The Federal Government didn't mandate anything for you. It's your company that should be suing them. I don’t know the specifics of who’s being dictectly sued but the government did mandate this for federal contractors. This isn’t the 100 employee osha nonsense. I do know they’re suing on 2 fronts as employees and as shareholders in the form of a derivative suit. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:05:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good luck! I wish you success but am skeptical it will happen. The Federal Government didn't mandate anything for you. It's your company that should be suing them. Almost this. The Potato's EO is not clearly legal. He can certainly dictate what is required to enter a government installation but otherwise, he really doesn't have the authority to dictate what happens in private businesses, even when they have government contracts. It might be wise to hold out for the OSHA rules and attack both the EO and OSHA. It would be bad to fight one front and win only to find that you are still bound by the other. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:08:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost this. The Potato's EO is not clearly legal. He can certainly dictate what is required to enter a government installation but otherwise, he really doesn't have the authority to dictate what happens in private businesses, even when they have government contracts. It might be wise to hold out for the OSHA rules and attack both the EO and OSHA. It would be bad to fight one front and win only to find that you are still bound by the other. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good luck! I wish you success but am skeptical it will happen. The Federal Government didn't mandate anything for you. It's your company that should be suing them. Almost this. The Potato's EO is not clearly legal. He can certainly dictate what is required to enter a government installation but otherwise, he really doesn't have the authority to dictate what happens in private businesses, even when they have government contracts. It might be wise to hold out for the OSHA rules and attack both the EO and OSHA. It would be bad to fight one front and win only to find that you are still bound by the other. Well we’re being fired December 8th so time isn’t on our side. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:09:22 AM EDT
[#6]
Fight.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:13:06 AM EDT
[#7]
Excellent news!
Keep fighting. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:13:21 AM EDT
[#8]
Hope you win. They are obviously violating the constitution and far overstepping their bounds. They don't even have a fact based reasonable position for doing so.
They just keep parroting the same lies that are growing more apparent day by day. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:13:55 AM EDT
[#9]
Hold the line
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:35:42 AM EDT
[#10]
Give em Hell!
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:38:42 AM EDT
[#11]
Fighting is all we have left at this point... Give em hell!
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:42:05 AM EDT
[#12]
Wouldn't walking out of job constitute abandonment?
Glad your fighting, but I'd be careful that you aren't jeopardizing your job otherways |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:42:10 AM EDT
[#13]
More people need to be like OP and his associates
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:44:38 AM EDT
[#14]
I pray you win and this nonsense/bs goes away.
I start my dream job in little over a month from now (pending security investigation (not worried one bit, it's just a formality) one condition is having a vax card or rel/med exemption before start date.  |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:49:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't walking out of job constitute abandonment? Glad your fighting, but I'd be careful that you aren't jeopardizing your job otherways I don’t care. It’s fucking war they want, it’s war they’re getting. This is my hill and I’ll burn everything I’ve built to the fucking ground before I bow a knee to any man. Period. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:49:36 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fight. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:51:01 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wouldn't walking out of job constitute abandonment? Glad your fighting, but I'd be careful that you aren't jeopardizing your job otherways Respectfully, sir, take your job and shove it. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:58:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care. It’s fucking war they want, it’s war they’re getting. This is my hill and I’ll burn everything I’ve built to the fucking ground before I bow a knee to any man. Period.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:59:11 AM EDT
[#19]
Yes!! Thank you for standing up against this tyranny.
I'm waiting for my religious exemption to be reviewed (and likely denied). Will not comply |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:08:40 AM EDT
[#20]
Thats great OP... its going to take this to push it back!
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:09:37 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: My company announced the mandate since we build military and commercial aircraft flight system. Effecting over 12-15k US employees in our company. 600 of us got together and raised 30k dollars to retain the same lawyer who beat Cuomo and his mandates 4 times here in NY. We’re also walking out on Monday along with 4 other local (global) aerospace companies. It’s time we the people show them their paycheck depend on us working. Is your workplace a federal contractor? Or do you just have federal contracts that are worked on? Out of curiosity. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:12:37 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: More people need to be like OP and his associates |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:16:32 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care. It’s fucking war they want, it’s war they’re getting. This is my hill and I’ll burn everything I’ve built to the fucking ground before I bow a knee to any man. Period. I am on board with this |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:20:38 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is your workplace a federal contractor? Or do you just have federal contracts that are worked on? Out of curiosity. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My company announced the mandate since we build military and commercial aircraft flight system. Effecting over 12-15k US employees in our company. 600 of us got together and raised 30k dollars to retain the same lawyer who beat Cuomo and his mandates 4 times here in NY. We’re also walking out on Monday along with 4 other local (global) aerospace companies. It’s time we the people show them their paycheck depend on us working. Is your workplace a federal contractor? Or do you just have federal contracts that are worked on? Out of curiosity. Federal contractors. We build everything from flight controls for f35s blackhawks V22 f15 legacy programs etc. and commercial side Boeing airbus etc. then our space program supply nasa and defense materials for all other branch’s. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:22:09 AM EDT
[#25]
Get some.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:28:45 AM EDT
[#26]
Awesome, hold the line
In before ARFCOM GMO's explain at great length how he's going to lose and how much that pleases them? |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:29:23 AM EDT
[#27]
Good job, OP!
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:30:10 AM EDT
[#28]
Let's go Brandon!
Prayers for your fight ahead. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:32:49 AM EDT
[#29]
Give them 9 kinds of hell brother!
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:36:42 AM EDT
[#30]
Good Luck and keep us posted.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:38:46 AM EDT
[#31]
I hope you win!
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:43:23 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes!! Thank you for standing up against this tyranny. I'm waiting for my religious exemption to be reviewed (and likely denied). Will not comply Have any of them been approved, at all, servicewide? We have a new SFC that is cooling his heels in a 30 level position because the CSM won't put him in a 40 lvl position until his exemption is resolved. For the OP, I hope it work out for you...I really do...but I foresee a lot of job openings coming up in the near future at your company. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:52:52 AM EDT
[#33]
Good luck getting a judge with common sense and possesses the real definition of justice.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:53:42 AM EDT
[#34]
I'm certainly not pleased to see anyone lose their jobs or anything else.
A long time ago I was a young Sailor just out of Training. One of my buddies was really cool and smart. Great guy to hang out with. He knew he was smarter than that stupid asshole Chief we worked for. He was determined to show that Chief who was smartest! I watched as the Chief slowly started to break him. One Captains Mast at a time. Started out as an E-4 and in short order ended up as an E-1 confined to quarters, doing extra duty every night and receiving half pay for an E1. I on the other hand kept my mouth shut and did what I was told. Maybe I was a quisling? Or maybe my buddy was just stupid for fighting a battle he could not win. Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome, hold the line In before ARFCOM GMO's explain at great length how he's going to lose and how much that pleases them? |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:53:42 AM EDT
[#35]
Good for you. How can I contribute?
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Posted: 10/23/2021 9:54:49 AM EDT
[#36]
Awesome. Best of luck. Prayers for your success.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:00:25 AM EDT
[#37]
Stand firm OP. We need more of these to happen and go to court now.
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:11:13 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Good for you. How can I contribute? We have a donation link but I think I need approval to post it? @Striker what do you need from me? |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:24:39 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It might be wise to hold out for the OSHA rules and attack both the EO and OSHA. It would be bad to fight one front and win only to find that you are still bound by the other. But no one knows when the OSHA rule is going to be published....if ever, and the clock IS ticking on the EO's and needs to be addressed sooner rather than later. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:27:37 AM EDT
[#40]
Threads like these make me happy
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:28:11 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm certainly not pleased to see anyone lose their jobs or anything else. A long time ago I was a young Sailor just out of Training. One of my buddies was really cool and smart. Great guy to hang out with. He knew he was smarter than that stupid asshole Chief we worked for. He was determined to show that Chief who was smartest! I watched as the Chief slowly started to break him. One Captains Mast at a time. Started out as an E-4 and in short order ended up as an E-1 confined to quarters, doing extra duty every night and receiving half pay for an E1. I on the other hand kept my mouth shut and did what I was told. Maybe I was a quisling? Or maybe my buddy was just stupid for fighting a battle he could not win. A key aspect of being a working professional is learning to navigate through the inevitable bullshit. Surrendering your morals is quite a different thing and anathema to being a professional. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:48:32 AM EDT
[#42]
600 out of how many employees? Is it enough for the company to feel the pain?
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:50:15 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 600 out of how many employees? Is it enough for the company to feel the pain? Currently 600 out of 3500 in one plant. High level managers, production, and engineering. It will hurt. They’re behind millions as it is. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:51:56 AM EDT
[#44]
A large group in my company have collectively retained Robert Barnes.
It's important that if they have an exemption process, that you use it. And a religious exemption is the most precarious for an employer to handle. It has the most "do's and don'ts" from their perspective. It's the level of talent that these companies will lose much more than the numbers. It's not the janitors that are opposed to this. It's the most highly educated, the product "plank owners," and the top producers. If companies really fire people, this will be the biggest corporate backfire since ever. Diversity is great and all, but nobody pays this much for a diversity quality product. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:52:00 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care. It’s fucking war they want, it’s war they’re getting. This is my hill and I’ll burn everything I’ve built to the fucking ground before I bow a knee to any man. Period. ?? |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 10:53:16 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hold the line |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 11:12:04 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t care. It’s fucking war they want, it’s war they’re getting. This is my hill and I’ll burn everything I’ve built to the fucking ground before I bow a knee to any man. Period. Thank you sir. If more men still had balls this would have never made it this far. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 11:31:51 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Federal contractors. We build everything from flight controls for f35s blackhawks V22 f15 legacy programs etc. and commercial side Boeing airbus etc. then our space program supply nasa and defense materials for all other branch’s. Gotcha, good luck to you sir and hold steady! Reason i asked is because some workplaces that i thought would require it have not. Not quite sure the reasoning besides bending the knee. |
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Posted: 10/23/2021 11:37:17 AM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: My company announced the mandate since we build military and commercial aircraft flight system. Effecting over 12-15k US employees in our company. 600 of us got together and raised 30k dollars to retain the same lawyer who beat Cuomo and his mandates 4 times here in NY. We’re also walking out on Monday along with 4 other local (global) aerospace companies. It’s time we the people show them their paycheck depend on us working. God bless you! That's friggin awesome! 
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Posted: 10/23/2021 11:43:26 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: A key aspect of being a working professional is learning to navigate through the inevitable bullshit. Surrendering your morals is quite a different thing and anathema to being a professional. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm certainly not pleased to see anyone lose their jobs or anything else. A long time ago I was a young Sailor just out of Training. One of my buddies was really cool and smart. Great guy to hang out with. He knew he was smarter than that stupid asshole Chief we worked for. He was determined to show that Chief who was smartest! I watched as the Chief slowly started to break him. One Captains Mast at a time. Started out as an E-4 and in short order ended up as an E-1 confined to quarters, doing extra duty every night and receiving half pay for an E1. I on the other hand kept my mouth shut and did what I was told. Maybe I was a quisling? Or maybe my buddy was just stupid for fighting a battle he could not win. A key aspect of being a working professional is learning to navigate through the inevitable bullshit. Surrendering your morals is quite a different thing and anathema to being a professional. Presenting the mark in order to buy or sell might remove your name from the book of life. Why risk it? |
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