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Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:05:51 PM EST
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You’re damn right!
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:07:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AZNetEng:
It's ARF. Do both.

"Here is a copy of the Constitution."
"Inside is a handout with the CV of the assholes who can't seem to read and understand it."
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
Originally Posted By DocGlockster:
What might help is to hand out copies of the Constitution and more importantly to be on camera doing it at every opportunity.
Handing out leaflets with home addresses and pictures of each lawmaker that has sponsored or cosponsored the antigun legislation may prove more effective.
It's ARF. Do both.

"Here is a copy of the Constitution."
"Inside is a handout with the CV of the assholes who can't seem to read and understand it."
I think this is a fantastic idea.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:11:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By barnbwt:
Sounds like they're jockeying to become the face of the movement & portray us as anarchists, if you ask me.

They take orders, remember? So who is ordering them to riot as we peacefully protest, and why?
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Originally Posted By barnbwt:
Originally Posted By New2AR15s:
Sounds like antifa is figuring out the fascists in gov are on all sides
Sounds like they're jockeying to become the face of the movement & portray us as anarchists, if you ask me.

They take orders, remember? So who is ordering them to riot as we peacefully protest, and why?
I think many here would agree if given only 2 choices Anarchy is better than Tyranny and remember to most Dems they already think owning guns and open carry is anarchy so who gives a fuck

And to the second point we won’t know that until Lobby Day, the antifa that are against gun bills may not be the same as the ones who always riot and burn shit. Just like non gun people don’t understand the difference between Fudds and non

Eta not trying to be argumentative towards you personally just offering a different side but Incould be 100% wrong who knows
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:12:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Undefined:
It'd be cool to get several thousand of the Silent Brigade stickers (or print it on business cards). Remove the rally date from the image.

Start leaving them everywhere. Restaurants, stores, doctors offices, gas stations, parks, schools....

A gentle reminder that gun owners have overwhelming numbers.
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Ooohh. This is fantastic.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:14:41 PM EST
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If you VA peeps have not started the official recall process on every single one of the dems, you need to do it now.

It is possible to sue them all for violating
42 U.S. Code § 1983.Civil action for deprivation of rights
http://jailhouselaw.org/section-1983-lawsuits/?

Imagine if each rep and senator was directly sued by the populace of the city county and state.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:17:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By D_J:
I spoke to someone at Best Buy. You have to buy the phone and then buy the service "card", which requires a phone number and/or credit card to activate.
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Originally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By EastcARstle:

Thanks! Practical question: what is the process for buying a "burner phone"? Can it be done truly anonymously or does one have to show ID or the like when buying one?
Buy one at Walgreens and pay with cash.
I spoke to someone at Best Buy. You have to buy the phone and then buy the service "card", which requires a phone number and/or credit card to activate.
Use a visa gift card, purchased with cash.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:20:12 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Parke1:
Ooohh. This is fantastic.
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Originally Posted By Parke1:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
It'd be cool to get several thousand of the Silent Brigade stickers (or print it on business cards). Remove the rally date from the image.

Start leaving them everywhere. Restaurants, stores, doctors offices, gas stations, parks, schools....

A gentle reminder that gun owners have overwhelming numbers.
Ooohh. This is fantastic.
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Originally Posted By Parke1:
Ooohh. This is fantastic.
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Originally Posted By Parke1:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
It'd be cool to get several thousand of the Silent Brigade stickers (or print it on business cards). Remove the rally date from the image.

Start leaving them everywhere. Restaurants, stores, doctors offices, gas stations, parks, schools....

A gentle reminder that gun owners have overwhelming numbers.
Ooohh. This is fantastic.
Silent Brigade logo on one side, and on the other side couple of very brief bullet points on what this is about (freedom vs. tyranny, civil rights of you and your children and greatchildren), plus a "would you like to know more" URL.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:22:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By D_J:

I spoke to someone at Best Buy. You have to buy the phone and then buy the service "card", which requires a phone number and/or credit card to activate.
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Tacfone. Walmart. Pay Cash. Wear a hat.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:25:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sq40:

Use a visa gift card, purchased with cash.
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When activating the phone and/or gift card go through free public wifi/TOR/VPN

If any site asks for an email, do the same thing.

Sign up for a free email account and go through free public wifi/TOR/VPN
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:25:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sq40:
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By EastcARstle:

Thanks! Practical question: what is the process for buying a "burner phone"? Can it be done truly anonymously or does one have to show ID or the like when buying one?
Buy one at Walgreens and pay with cash.
I spoke to someone at Best Buy. You have to buy the phone and then buy the service "card", which requires a phone number and/or credit card to activate.
Use a visa gift card, purchased with cash.
Have you actually tried that out? Does it work?
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Originally Posted By EastcARstle:

Have you actually tried that out? Does it work?
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The tracfone and the minutes card can be bought with cash. No internet required to setup the phone either.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:33:04 PM EST
Just got a VCDL alert that they are voting on some gun bills on Monday.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:34:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hsracer201:
Just got a VCDL alert that they are voting on some gun bills on Monday.
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Yup, committee votes to refer them to the full body for passage.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:36:45 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ka-tetof1:
I’ve said this for weeks. Can’t hold a national election if one of the states is in chaos.
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Originally Posted By ka-tetof1:
Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
This one was just posted...


HOUSE BILL NO. 1545
Offered January 10, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1, relating to discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism enhancement.
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Patron-- Samirah
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Committee Referral Pending
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1 as follows:

§ 17.1-805.1. Discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism.

A. For purposes of this section, an act of domestic terrorism includes any violation that is an act of violence as defined in § 19.2-297.1 or any felony violation of § 18.2-52, 18.2-52.1, 18.2-53, 18.2-53.1, 18.2-56.1, 18.2-57, 18.2-83, 18.2-108.1, 18.2-121, 18.2-127, 18.2-128, 18.2-138, 18.2-186.4, 18.2-279, 18.2-282, 18.2-282.1, 18.2-289, 18.2-300, 18.2-308.1, 18.2-308.2, 18.2-308.2:01, 18.2-312, 18.2-423, 18.2-423.01, 18.2-423.1, or 18.2-423.2, with the intent to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.

B. In addition to any increases in the midpoint of an initial recommended sentencing range calculated in accordance with § 17.1-805, the midpoint of the recommended sentencing range for any act of domestic terrorism shall be further increased by 200 percent in all cases.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
they are already expecting violence, and doing their best to legislate their way through it.virginia will ABSOLUTELY be in a violent insurgency within 6 months. theres ZERO way this is not some demented democrat plan from federal democrats, bloomburg and soros, to kick off violence to wreck the 2020 election for trump.
I’ve said this for weeks. Can’t hold a national election if one of the states is in chaos.
Perhaps, but I wouldn't bet on it. We had an election during the Civil War after all.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:37:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By hsracer201:
Just got a VCDL alert that they are voting on some gun bills on Monday.
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The day of the NRA lobby day.

That should be interesting
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:39:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By Parke1:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
It'd be cool to get several thousand of the Silent Brigade stickers (or print it on business cards). Remove the rally date from the image.

Start leaving them everywhere. Restaurants, stores, doctors offices, gas stations, parks, schools....

A gentle reminder that gun owners have overwhelming numbers.
Ooohh. This is fantastic.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/92687/stencil_JPG-1228993.JPG
Errr . . know a guy that owns a large computer controlled CO2 laser . . .
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:40:11 PM EST
Update on Richmond Fire/EMS plans.
They will have a CP on Marshall between 8th and 9th.
I suggest that as teams get sorted out that each Med leader touch base with them.

I’ll post this on the other thread as well and post pertinent updates.
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Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

The Democratic legislators have exactly ZERO interest in talking to you. They are interested in talking to their own Democratic voters. You have nothing to say that they are interested in.
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Isn't the 20th a holiday? Will they even be there?
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MLK day, federal holiday, 20 Jan

@txjim42
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Originally Posted By txjim42:
Isn't the 20th a holiday? Will they even be there?
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Yes, VCDL does this on MLK day every year
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:45:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By txjim42:
Isn't the 20th a holiday? Will they even be there?
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Yes, the GA is in session on that day
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:47:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By LoginName:

When activating the phone and/or gift card go through free public wifi/TOR/VPN

If any site asks for an email, do the same thing.

Sign up for a free email account and go through free public wifi/TOR/VPN
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Mailinator.com gives you instant burner email addresses.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:48:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ka-tetof1:
I've said this for weeks. Can't hold a national election if one of the states is in chaos.
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Sure can.
Check the elections of 1862/3 and 1864.
Just because we had a secession crisis with 11 states trying to leave the union doesn't mean that elections won't be held.
Those 11 succeeding states didn't send representatives after 1862.
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Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:51:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Gotterdammerung:

Yes, VCDL does this on MLK day every year
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It was actually called Lee/Jackson day first.........think about that and what's happening now
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:51:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Use a visa gift card, purchased with cash.
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Originally Posted By sq40:
Originally Posted By D_J:
Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Originally Posted By EastcARstle:

Thanks! Practical question: what is the process for buying a "burner phone"? Can it be done truly anonymously or does one have to show ID or the like when buying one?
Buy one at Walgreens and pay with cash.
I spoke to someone at Best Buy. You have to buy the phone and then buy the service "card", which requires a phone number and/or credit card to activate.
Use a visa gift card, purchased with cash.
I was given a visa Giftcard for the holidays. I needed to give personal information to activate it.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:54:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:
The tracfone and the minutes card can be bought with cash. No internet required to setup the phone either.
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Originally Posted By allensaldi:
Originally Posted By EastcARstle:
Have you actually tried that out? Does it work?
The tracfone and the minutes card can be bought with cash. No internet required to setup the phone either.
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Same with gophone(att), tmobile, and straight talk at Wal-Mart.
The clerk in electronics can help you.
Straight talk can activate by texting a minutes card number bought for cash at Wal-Mart.
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Link Posted: 1/10/2020 5:56:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
they are already expecting violence, and doing their best to legislate their way through it.virginia will ABSOLUTELY be in a violent insurgency within 6 months. theres ZERO way this is not some demented democrat plan from federal democrats, bloomburg and soros, to kick off violence to wreck the 2020 election for trump.
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
This one was just posted...


HOUSE BILL NO. 1545
Offered January 10, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1, relating to discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism enhancement.
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Patron-- Samirah
----------
Committee Referral Pending
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1 as follows:

§ 17.1-805.1. Discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism.

A. For purposes of this section, an act of domestic terrorism includes any violation that is an act of violence as defined in § 19.2-297.1 or any felony violation of § 18.2-52, 18.2-52.1, 18.2-53, 18.2-53.1, 18.2-56.1, 18.2-57, 18.2-83, 18.2-108.1, 18.2-121, 18.2-127, 18.2-128, 18.2-138, 18.2-186.4, 18.2-279, 18.2-282, 18.2-282.1, 18.2-289, 18.2-300, 18.2-308.1, 18.2-308.2, 18.2-308.2:01, 18.2-312, 18.2-423, 18.2-423.01, 18.2-423.1, or 18.2-423.2, with the intent to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.

B. In addition to any increases in the midpoint of an initial recommended sentencing range calculated in accordance with § 17.1-805, the midpoint of the recommended sentencing range for any act of domestic terrorism shall be further increased by 200 percent in all cases.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
they are already expecting violence, and doing their best to legislate their way through it.virginia will ABSOLUTELY be in a violent insurgency within 6 months. theres ZERO way this is not some demented democrat plan from federal democrats, bloomburg and soros, to kick off violence to wreck the 2020 election for trump.
They are Expecting violence...

Violence.

They simply are not capable of comprehending what that would look like.

Let’s break this down.

Out of 100k protesters, lets say more than half are armed.

The magazine capacities will likely range from 15 to 60 rounds.

Averaging it all out... a safe estimate 50,000 people with an Average capacity of dumping 30rds ready.

Some are faster, others slower to react and fire.

Given all of that, in the first sixty seconds, about 1.5 million rounds would be discharged at various targets.

By the three minute mark, with reloads and faster reaction, they would probably surpass 6 million rounds expended total.

All within a half of a square mile.

Think of that three minutes.... nobody wants that.
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I honestly hope they pass every motherfucking Communist trash bill on the docket. Because if they did that it would finally wake up the FUDD bastards that negotiate away our rights every time they can. Make them felons for owning some Barnes all copper bullets. Make them terrorists for speaking forcefully at their BoS meetings. Arrest everyone with a over 10 round magazine. Check in mother's purses for illegal guns. Arrest people for having a single .38 round in the bottom of their pocket. The mask would be all of the way off. Heck - I hope there is vigorous and extreme enforcement. Roadblocks, door to door searches, total Gestapo madness - all of it would spell the end of the Democratic party in VA and probably most of the South.

I hope they do it because that is how we win. That is how we become We the People again - we have to unite against something. And the Dems would make a fine target.

So please. Please do it. Fucking bring it you yellow bastards that I'm sure are reading this. I double fucking dog dare the Communist trash to actually put their money on the line and go through with what they've threatened. It would be glorious. It would be a true revolution.
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Originally Posted By sq40:

They are Expecting violence...

Violence.

They simply are not capable of comprehending what that would look like.

Let's break this down.

Out of 100k protesters, lets say more than half are armed.

The magazine capacities will likely range from 15 to 60 rounds.

Averaging it all out... a safe estimate 50,000 people with an Average capacity of dumping 30rds ready.

Some are faster, others slower to react and fire.

Given all of that, in the first sixty seconds, about 1.5 million rounds would be discharged at various targets.

By the three minute mark, with reloads and faster reaction, they would probably surpass 6 million rounds expended total.

All within a half of a square mile.

Think of that three minutes....
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:
I just want to reiterate an idea I posted earlier:

It would be good to have a mechanism in place to fundraise, so that if any LEO in VA is faced with an unlawful order concerning gun rights, etc, etc, we can offer them the freedom to resign and seek employment elsewhere while we pay the a weekly stipend to cover expenses.
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No LEO is going to be quitting their job over these laws.

It's nice to imagine or believe that dozens or hundreds or thousands will toss their badge on the ground and walk out, but it's simply not going to happen. It hasn't happened anywhere this stuff has been implemented. Not one is throwing away their current and future employment prospects (and pensions). A promised "stipend" is not going to change that.

Such ideas are not even worth a momentary thought.
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Originally Posted By cinco1:
Willing agent provocateur on both sides.

Ever catch the shit globalists pulled in Kiev during the Maiden riots? Footage of a sniper first shooting at the cops and then switching position to shoot at the protestors... story here
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@cinco1 I had never heard of this incident. I appreciate the information and will look into this further.
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Originally Posted By EastcARstle:
Silent Brigade logo on one side, and on the other side couple of very brief bullet points on what this is about (freedom vs. tyranny, civil rights of you and your children and greatchildren), plus a "would you like to know more" URL.
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Originally Posted By EastcARstle:
Originally Posted By Parke1:
Originally Posted By Undefined:
It'd be cool to get several thousand of the Silent Brigade stickers (or print it on business cards). Remove the rally date from the image.

Start leaving them everywhere. Restaurants, stores, doctors offices, gas stations, parks, schools....

A gentle reminder that gun owners have overwhelming numbers.
Ooohh. This is fantastic.
Silent Brigade logo on one side, and on the other side couple of very brief bullet points on what this is about (freedom vs. tyranny, civil rights of you and your children and greatchildren), plus a "would you like to know more" URL.
A QR code, pointing to a website summarising all the treachery.
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It will never happen but god wouldn't that be a kick square in the nuts for the Communists if it did . . .
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Originally Posted By Nord:

No LEO is going to be quitting their job over these laws.

Such ideas are not even worth a momentary thought.
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There's only one way to find out, and if it fails I"m sure the money can be repurposed.

I don't think the psychological power of having a slush fund to buy out all the cops and VANG that the left thinks will be enforcing these new laws should be underestimated.
They'd happily use incentives to buy us off and split our loyalties and get us to snitch on each other. We're fools not to try it. But, again, there's -0- chance of me personally taking the idea and running with it. Soif you dislike the idea, rest assured, you don't have to worry about stopping me.
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You'll know shit has gotten real when the sandbags and checkpoints get deployed down the center line of State street in Bristol.
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Tennessee would welcome SWVA with open arms.
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Originally Posted By arowneragain:

There's only one way to find out, and if it fails I"m sure the money can be repurposed.

I don't think the psychological power of having a slush fund to buy out all the cops and VANG that the left thinks will be enforcing these new laws should be underestimated.
They'd happily use incentives to buy us off and split our loyalties and get us to snitch on each other. We're fools not to try it. But, again, there's -0- chance of me personally taking the idea and running with it. Soif you dislike the idea, rest assured, you don't have to worry about stopping me.
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I think you've perhaps misinterpreted what I mean. In an ideal world exactly what you proposed would happen, I would love for it to happen. I don't want to "stop you" from anything.

I'm telling you that people are not going to throw away their careers for this. Because it's not even about covering a few weeks or months between jobs, it's that they would most likely be throwing away all future prospect of employment in law enforcement. I'm not saying I don't want your idea to happen, I'm saying it won't- with or with a promised stipend.
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What bills are they trying to rush through on Monday?
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I updated the list to include those on the agenda Monday.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/2286219_Official-Comprehensive-list-of-Virginia-2020-Gun-Bills-UPDATE-5.html
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Originally Posted By Nord:
I think you've perhaps misinterpreted what I mean. In an ideal world exactly what you proposed would happen, I would love for it to happen. I don't want to "stop you" from anything. I'm telling you that people are not going to throw away their careers for this. Because it's not even about covering a few weeks or months between jobs, it's that they would most likely be throwing away all future prospect of employment in law enforcement. I'm not saying I don't want your idea to happen, I'm saying it won't.
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Originally Posted By Nord:
Originally Posted By arowneragain:

There's only one way to find out, and if it fails I"m sure the money can be repurposed.

I don't think the psychological power of having a slush fund to buy out all the cops and VANG that the left thinks will be enforcing these new laws should be underestimated.
They'd happily use incentives to buy us off and split our loyalties and get us to snitch on each other. We're fools not to try it. But, again, there's -0- chance of me personally taking the idea and running with it. Soif you dislike the idea, rest assured, you don't have to worry about stopping me.
I think you've perhaps misinterpreted what I mean. In an ideal world exactly what you proposed would happen, I would love for it to happen. I don't want to "stop you" from anything. I'm telling you that people are not going to throw away their careers for this. Because it's not even about covering a few weeks or months between jobs, it's that they would most likely be throwing away all future prospect of employment in law enforcement. I'm not saying I don't want your idea to happen, I'm saying it won't.
I left a great job over a fundamental ethics issue. I was on a fast track to VP and then CEO.

Don't say "won't" because nobody knows what people will do when it comes down to matters of personal integrity.

"Most" "might" not. Saying "All" "won't" presumes omniscient vision. Nobody here has that.

There are good LE out there.
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@cinco1 I had never heard of this incident. I appreciate the information and will look into this further.
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Willing agent provocateur on both sides.

Ever catch the shit globalists pulled in Kiev during the Maiden riots? Footage of a sniper first shooting at the cops and then switching position to shoot at the protestors... story here
@cinco1 I had never heard of this incident. I appreciate the information and will look into this further.
The shooter is a Ukrainian alpha member who turned out to be a Russian sleeper agent from the Crimean platoon. He defected to Russia and serves in a Russian sf unit last I heard. There were also a couple svr operatives from Russia brought in for crisis management who did the same.

The police were hestitant to follow the directives involving shooting civis that were coming from yanukovich. Supposedly it was all done under Russian control.
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I honestly hope they pass every motherfucking Communist trash bill on the docket. Because if they did that it would finally wake up the FUDD bastards that negotiate away our rights every time they can. Make them felons for owning some Barnes all copper bullets. Make them terrorists for speaking forcefully at their BoS meetings. Arrest everyone with a over 10 round magazine. Check in mother's purses for illegal guns. Arrest people for having a single .38 round in the bottom of their pocket. The mask would be all of the way off. Heck - I hope there is vigorous and extreme enforcement. Roadblocks, door to door searches, total Gestapo madness - all of it would spell the end of the Democratic party in VA and probably most of the South.

I hope they do it because that is how we win. That is how we become We the People again - we have to unite against something. And the Dems would make a fine target.

So please. Please do it. Fucking bring it you yellow bastards that I'm sure are reading this. I double fucking dog dare the Communist trash to actually put their money on the line and go through with what they've threatened. It would be glorious. It would be a true revolution.
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There's only one way to find out, and if it fails I"m sure the money can be repurposed.

I don't think the psychological power of having a slush fund to buy out all the cops and VANG that the left thinks will be enforcing these new laws should be underestimated.
They'd happily use incentives to buy us off and split our loyalties and get us to snitch on each other. We're fools not to try it. But, again, there's -0- chance of me personally taking the idea and running with it. Soif you dislike the idea, rest assured, you don't have to worry about stopping me.
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No LEO is going to be quitting their job over these laws.

Such ideas are not even worth a momentary thought.
There's only one way to find out, and if it fails I"m sure the money can be repurposed.

I don't think the psychological power of having a slush fund to buy out all the cops and VANG that the left thinks will be enforcing these new laws should be underestimated.
They'd happily use incentives to buy us off and split our loyalties and get us to snitch on each other. We're fools not to try it. But, again, there's -0- chance of me personally taking the idea and running with it. Soif you dislike the idea, rest assured, you don't have to worry about stopping me.
It’s a good idea for people who get fired or otherwise attacked for their participation. If NPR repeats that we’re Nazis often enough, it’s true.
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