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Link Posted: 1/10/2020 4:31:23 PM EDT
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HOUSE BILL NO. 1545
Offered January 10, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1, relating to discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism enhancement.
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Patron-- Samirah
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Committee Referral Pending
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1 as follows:

§ 17.1-805.1. Discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism.

A. For purposes of this section, an act of domestic terrorism includes any violation that is an act of violence as defined in § 19.2-297.1 or any felony violation of § 18.2-52, 18.2-52.1, 18.2-53, 18.2-53.1, 18.2-56.1, 18.2-57, 18.2-83, 18.2-108.1, 18.2-121, 18.2-127, 18.2-128, 18.2-138, 18.2-186.4, 18.2-279, 18.2-282, 18.2-282.1, 18.2-289, 18.2-300, 18.2-308.1, 18.2-308.2, 18.2-308.2:01, 18.2-312, 18.2-423, 18.2-423.01, 18.2-423.1, or 18.2-423.2, with the intent to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.

B. In addition to any increases in the midpoint of an initial recommended sentencing range calculated in accordance with § 17.1-805, the midpoint of the recommended sentencing range for any act of domestic terrorism shall be further increased by 200 percent in all cases.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
they are already expecting violence, and doing their best to legislate their way through it.virginia will ABSOLUTELY be in a violent insurgency within 6 months. theres ZERO way this is not some demented democrat plan from federal democrats, bloomburg and soros, to kick off violence to wreck the 2020 election for trump.
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I actually hope they do something as underhanded as this.  It would completely finish their work of alienating every single voter outside of Fairfax and it would fire up their opposition to nuclear level.  Seriously - there would be rioting in the streets.

Do it bitches.  Please.  Do something that stupid.
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If they wanted to pass these gun laws before 1/20, they could likely pull it off.

A simple majority is all that is required for quorum in each house, and 4/5ths majority of those voting is all that is required to pass emergency legislation. They could show up at midnight with no Republicans in attendance, satisfy the quorum requirements and the 4/5th of those voting requirement, and push these bills through with immediate effect.

Translation: You need a simple majority of those voting, and a minimum of 2/5ths of the total members, to pass anything. For emergency bills you can skip some steps, but then require 4/5ths of those voting.

Let's do the numbers:

HOUSE: 55 D, 45 R
Minimum present for quorum: 51
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 40
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present (assuming all 55 D's are there): 44

SENATE: 21 D, 19 R
Minimum present for quorum: 21
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 16
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present: 17
I actually hope they do something as underhanded as this.  It would completely finish their work of alienating every single voter outside of Fairfax and it would fire up their opposition to nuclear level.  Seriously - there would be rioting in the streets.

Do it bitches.  Please.  Do something that stupid.
Wouldn’t have to worry about the big igloo then, the people would burn Richmond to the ground.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 4:36:20 PM EDT
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By these rules almost every one of the sanctuary BoS meetings could have ended in the arrest of many on domestic terrorism charges.  Heck - they could legally arrest every single person at the Rattlesnake Rally that wore any sort of tac gear and had a grumpy look or chanted a slogan that the filthy disgusting Communists didn't like.

Please pass this.  Please be serious about it.  **PLEASE** start arresting normal Joes and Janes that are just expressing their opinions with passion and forcefulness.  Please be that stupid.
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By these rules almost every one of the sanctuary BoS meetings could have ended in the arrest of many on domestic terrorism charges.  Heck - they could legally arrest every single person at the Rattlesnake Rally that wore any sort of tac gear and had a grumpy look or chanted a slogan that the filthy disgusting Communists didn't like.

Please pass this.  Please be serious about it.  **PLEASE** start arresting normal Joes and Janes that are just expressing their opinions with passion and forcefulness.  Please be that stupid.
yup.. this one sentence could be used to cover almost any mean words.. protests.. etc.

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. intimidate or coerce a civilian population  influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.
plus this. anyone who claims you scared them while holding a gun, or mean words.. terrorist !

in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 4:41:55 PM EDT
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Here's one of the many statutes it references:

If a Karen sees a gun within 1000 feet of a school...

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By these rules almost every one of the sanctuary BoS meetings could have ended in the arrest of many on domestic terrorism charges.  Heck - they could legally arrest every single person at the Rattlesnake Rally that wore any sort of tac gear and had a grumpy look or chanted a slogan that the Commies didn't like.

Please pass this.  Please be serious about it.  **PLEASE** start arresting normal Joes and Janes that are just expressing their opinions with passion and forcefulness.  Please be that stupid.
Here's one of the many statutes it references:

If a Karen sees a gun within 1000 feet of a school...


§ 18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.

B. Any police officer in the performance of his duty, in making an arrest under the provisions of this section, shall not be civilly liable in damages for injuries or death resulting to the person being arrested if he had reason to believe that the person being arrested was pointing, holding, or brandishing such firearm or air or gas operated weapon, or object that was similar in appearance, with intent to induce fear in the mind of another.

C. For purposes of this section, the word "firearm" means any weapon that will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel single or multiple projectiles by the action of an explosion of a combustible material. The word "ammunition," as used herein, shall mean a cartridge, pellet, ball, missile or projectile adapted for use in a firearm.
So the King's men will have a license to murder citizens for holding "an object similar in appearance" to a weapon.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 4:43:15 PM EDT
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After seeing all these anti-gun laws they plan on passing, and now new proposed laws to make anyone who resists in anyway, a TERRORIST, who likely will receive a LIFE sentence at best...yeah theres violence coming people.

you cant pass all this shit. ( and we have not really even been paying attention to all the OTHER freedom crushing bills / bills designed to fuck everyone over while helping democrats etc. or what they might propose in the next few days as well.

i honestly dont see how, if they pass even 25% of this shit, Virginia wont be in a Guerilla war / insurgency within the next 6 months.

Its fucking guaranteed at this point, and thats even IF they dont try some sketchy bullshit on the 20th...  top of everything else.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 4:44:17 PM EDT
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Virginia on CBN news, too.

I found this one inspiring.  I'm not up on what Virginians as a whole think of Mark Warner, but I like a lot of the citizens' statements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYU1FO_TnnI
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That's my county and those are my neighbors. I know most of them that spoke. Best people you could ever want to meet.

Oh, and the reporter is House of Delagates Minority Leader, Todd Gilbert's wife.
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 4:48:46 PM EDT
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Wouldn’t have to worry about the big igloo then, the people would burn Richmond to the ground.
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If they wanted to pass these gun laws before 1/20, they could likely pull it off.

A simple majority is all that is required for quorum in each house, and 4/5ths majority of those voting is all that is required to pass emergency legislation. They could show up at midnight with no Republicans in attendance, satisfy the quorum requirements and the 4/5th of those voting requirement, and push these bills through with immediate effect.

Translation: You need a simple majority of those voting, and a minimum of 2/5ths of the total members, to pass anything. For emergency bills you can skip some steps, but then require 4/5ths of those voting.

Let's do the numbers:

HOUSE: 55 D, 45 R
Minimum present for quorum: 51
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 40
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present (assuming all 55 D's are there): 44

SENATE: 21 D, 19 R
Minimum present for quorum: 21
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 16
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present: 17
I actually hope they do something as underhanded as this.  It would completely finish their work of alienating every single voter outside of Fairfax and it would fire up their opposition to nuclear level.  Seriously - there would be rioting in the streets.

Do it bitches.  Please.  Do something that stupid.
Wouldn’t have to worry about the big igloo then, the people would burn Richmond to the ground.
Again?
Link Posted: 1/10/2020 4:55:20 PM EDT
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HOUSE BILL NO. 1545
Offered January 10, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1, relating to discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism enhancement.
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Patron-- Samirah
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Committee Referral Pending
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1 as follows:

§ 17.1-805.1. Discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism.

A. For purposes of this section, an act of domestic terrorism includes any violation that is an act of violence as defined in § 19.2-297.1 or any felony violation of § 18.2-52, 18.2-52.1, 18.2-53, 18.2-53.1, 18.2-56.1, 18.2-57, 18.2-83, 18.2-108.1, 18.2-121, 18.2-127, 18.2-128, 18.2-138, 18.2-186.4, 18.2-279, 18.2-282, 18.2-282.1, 18.2-289, 18.2-300, 18.2-308.1, 18.2-308.2, 18.2-308.2:01, 18.2-312, 18.2-423, 18.2-423.01, 18.2-423.1, or 18.2-423.2, with the intent to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.

B. In addition to any increases in the midpoint of an initial recommended sentencing range calculated in accordance with § 17.1-805, the midpoint of the recommended sentencing range for any act of domestic terrorism shall be further increased by 200 percent in all cases.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
None of these bills, none of there actions - NONE OF THIS - can be explained away by ignorance, naivete or just that they're playing politics to their side.

They know what they've done.  They know how people feel about it.  They know where this is heading.

Now, after the onslaught of despotic bills, inflammatory rhetoric and threats - they start whipping up some new bills to harshen up the penalties for those that seek to petition and redress their grievances, personally?

They know whats coming.  They're stacking the sandbags higher.
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After seeing all these anti-gun laws they plan on passing, and now new proposed laws to make anyone who resists in anyway, a TERRORIST, who likely will receive a LIFE sentence at best...yeah theres violence coming people.

you cant pass all this shit. ( and we have not really even been paying attention to all the OTHER freedom crushing bills / bills designed to fuck everyone over while helping democrats etc. or what they might propose in the next few days as well.

i honestly dont see how, if they pass even 25% of this shit, Virginia wont be in a Guerilla war / insurgency within the next 6 months.

Its fucking guaranteed at this point, and thats even IF they dont try some sketchy bullshit on the 20th...  top of everything else.
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I'm just wondering who will fire the first shot. Right now, my money is on a cop with a chip on his shoulder.
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Well that's just fucking weird.
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Plus anyone can make em. Wouldn't necessarily be full color, but a line drawing on Avery you print em business cards makes everyone, everywhere able to run a batch on demand and spread around. Virginia, and anywhere tyrants exist.
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The Silent Brigade stickers (or business cards, which are cheaper anyway) on the other hand are an excellent idea. Far more difficult for the MSM to twist into some imminent threat.
All that is needed to make that possible is a high resolution copy of the image with the rally date removed.
Plus anyone can make em. Wouldn't necessarily be full color, but a line drawing on Avery you print em business cards makes everyone, everywhere able to run a batch on demand and spread around. Virginia, and anywhere tyrants exist.
Fedex Office, officemax, office depot.
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I'm just wondering who will fire the first shot. Right now, my money is on a cop with a chip on his shoulder.
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Willing agent provocateur on both sides.

Ever catch the shit globalists pulled in Kiev during the Maiden riots?  Footage of a sniper first shooting at the cops and then switching position to shoot at the protestors...  story here
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I'm just wondering who will fire the first shot. Right now, my money is on a cop with a chip on his shoulder.
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Trooper. That's my guess.

At this point, Im in agreement, they are trying to provoke a response. If they get it,  then they use the result.
If not, they pass what ever any way and laugh that we did nothing, and will comply.
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It is a strange situation when Antifa is calling out the existence of common ground.
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I was impressed with the VCDL guy on Bearing Arms. He didn’t discourage bringing long guns and it sounded like he was encouraging people outside to have them.

He also said these laws could lead to bloodshed if people see no other recourse although Cam talked it down a little after he said it.
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They aren't wrong.

Most of the mid / center left people where I work want ubcs but scoff at mag bans awb and registration / felonies.

And that's the ones that vote dem who aren't flaming retards. Center left and centrists don't want that shit
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I know it’s interesting to speculate, but we might need a separate thread, maybe in Team, to talk about the “What Ifs”.
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Remove battery if possible.

Wrap the bagged burner phone in  a towel then stick it in a steel military ammo can and close the can.

And leave your real phone at home.

Buy a burner somewhere reroute to the rally.  Charge it at the library or a McDonald's. Then turn it off and remove the battery.

Don't enter any number from home
Don't sign in to any websites.
Dont check your email.
Don't register the phone online.
Don't pay for service online.

Only use this phone for this event.

Don't hand out personal information to people you don't already know who aren't actual organizers.

You can give the burner number freely.  But make sure they know it won't work after you leave the capitol grounds.

Dispose of the SIM card after the event. As in take it and the battery out and bag phone before you go to your car.

Dispose of the phone separately after the event. Hammer it or give it to some homeless man.
You can always save it for the next time you need it... But don't open the can at home or even in your hometown.

And if you drove yourself, your car was noted as being there.

Finally...
You can't be too paranoid when they have the resources of a government and really are out to get you.
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POSSIBLY USEFUL PERSEC INFO FOR ATTENDEES:

If you have concerns about getting your electronic footprint being swept (cell phone ping, GPS, credit cards, car key fob, etc), the smartest thing is obviously to leave your phone, car key fob and all credit cards at home or stored somewhere.

This is not an option for many including me. I picked this 2x pack of Faraday bags up and they work well from my testing. These will obviously block electronic signals to and from the phone.

Amazon Link

One of the revelations from Snowden (I believe) is that every iPhone has a FM radio in it, and it is used to both broadcast a unique radio 'fingerprint' and 'read' the fingerprints around you. Genius but sneaky. These bags should stop that. Snowden on Joe Rogan also talked about how the Google Streetview vans also read wifi networks everywhere and attach GPS coordinates to them. So your phone can have zero connection to a cell tower and no GPS signal, but they can triangulate your location based on the Wifi SSIDs that the phone is seeing. Again, genius but sneaky. A good Faraday cage/bag will prevent that.

HOWEVER, smart phones have a TON of onboard memory and I assume my phone has the ability to record audio with no signal, and then upload it later automatically. I tested the bags and they do NOT stop the microphones in the phone from picking up sound. I had the phone in a bag, in a pant pocket, and recorded a voice memo of a conversation. The playback of the voice memo was much more faint but easily still discernible. FWIW I put the phone in a bag into a Pelican 1050 and it was faint but still discernible.

If you feel like you want to minimize your electronic footprint as I do, you'll want to wrap the phone in something like foam or rubber to minimize sound getting to it. Think a swimmer's rubber skullcap and you're on the right path -> BUT TEST IT FIRST BY MAKING A VOICE MEMO AND MAKING SURE IT WORKS!!!

The covert audio recording is of particular interest to me as people will be having conversations and discussions face-to-face on various topics in Richmond. The Faraday bags are cheap and work for limiting ELINT/SIGINT, but please be smart about audio too as there is ZERO reason to serve as a human sensor for something that may be easily twisted/misconstrued later by tyrants. PERSEC but I am very knowledgeable about digital audio/video editing software and cutting up a recording of your voice to form a different sentence is child's play.

If anyone has better suggestions, I would welcome some practical/easy solutions.
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Remove battery if possible.

Wrap the bagged burner phone in  a towel then stick it in a steel military ammo can and close the can.

And leave your real phone at home.

Buy a burner somewhere reroute to the rally.  Charge it at the library or a McDonald's. Then turn it off and remove the battery.

Don't enter any number from home
Don't sign in to any websites.
Dont check your email.
Don't register the phone online.
Don't pay for service online.

Only use this phone for this event.

Don't hand out personal information to people you don't already know who aren't actual organizers.

You can give the burner number freely.  But make sure they know it won't work after you leave the capitol grounds.

Dispose of the SIM card after the event. As in take it and the battery out and bag phone before you go to your car.

Dispose of the phone separately after the event. Hammer it or give it to some homeless man.
You can always save it for the next time you need it... But don't open the can at home or even in your hometown.

And if you drove yourself, your car was noted as being there.

Finally...
You can't be too paranoid when they have the resources of a government and really are out to get you.
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Thanks! Practical question: what is the process for buying a "burner phone"? Can it be done truly anonymously or does one have to show ID or the like when buying one?
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Agreed.  But it's going to suck to be one of the guys doing the lobbying (like myself).  That means disarmed with my wife, son, and parents on a long walk through the city and during the long walk home through possible leftist and Antifa bastards.  And the good lord even knows what else might happen . . .
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Could we or VCDL set up a gun check table so you can give one of us your gun and get a claim check? When you get done warning your legislator you come back, give your claim check, and now you can go back to being part of the armed rally.
Sounds like an unnecessary handling of arms.
Agreed.  But it's going to suck to be one of the guys doing the lobbying (like myself).  That means disarmed with my wife, son, and parents on a long walk through the city and during the long walk home through possible leftist and Antifa bastards.  And the good lord even knows what else might happen . . .
With all due respect...

Our legislators haven't been listening to us for quite some time.  They laugh at us behind our backs.

January 20th is going to be a peaceful rally to show what they could be up against if they ignore our Constitution and the Second Amendment.

Show up with your gear and keep your family outside next to those who are standing up for your 'teaching moment'.

Or leave your guns at home, bring your family in the building, and point to the politicians who created the 'assembly' outside and say:
"Letters, phone calls, emails, speaking to them at the podium have fallen upon deaf ears and these are The Ruling Class who want to be your Master.  See how sweetly they smile at you?  See how sincere their handshakes are?  They are the one's who go home to their gated communities,  travel while surrounded by armed men, and laugh at you and your desire to be free."

I think your kids will get an education either way.
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If they wanted to pass these gun laws before 1/20, they could likely pull it off.

A simple majority is all that is required for quorum in each house, and 4/5ths majority of those voting is all that is required to pass emergency legislation. They could show up at midnight with no Republicans in attendance, satisfy the quorum requirements and the 4/5th of those voting requirement, and push these bills through with immediate effect.

Translation: You need a simple majority of those voting, and a minimum of 2/5ths of the total members, to pass anything. For emergency bills you can skip some steps, but then require 4/5ths of those voting.

Let's do the numbers:

HOUSE: 55 D, 45 R
Minimum present for quorum: 51
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 40
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present (assuming all 55 D's are there): 44

SENATE: 21 D, 19 R
Minimum present for quorum: 21
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 16
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present: 17
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If they wanted to pass these gun laws before 1/20, they could likely pull it off.

A simple majority is all that is required for quorum in each house, and 4/5ths majority of those voting is all that is required to pass emergency legislation. They could show up at midnight with no Republicans in attendance, satisfy the quorum requirements and the 4/5th of those voting requirement, and push these bills through with immediate effect.


Article IV. Legislature
Section 11. Enactment of laws
No law shall be enacted except by bill. A bill may originate in either house, may be approved or rejected by the other, or may be amended by either, with the concurrence of the other. No bill shall become a law unless, prior to its passage:
(a) it has been referred to a committee of each house, considered by such committee in session, and reported;
(b) it has been printed by the house in which it originated prior to its passage therein;
(c) it has been read by its title, or its title has been printed in a daily calendar, on three different calendar days in each house; and
(d) upon its final passage a vote has been taken thereon in each house, the name of each member voting for and against recorded in the journal, and a majority of those voting in each house, which majority shall include at least two-fifths of the members elected to that house, recorded in the affirmative.
Only in the manner required in subparagraph (d) of this section shall an amendment to a bill by one house be concurred in by the other, or a conference report be adopted by either house, or either house discharge a committee from the consideration of a bill and consider the same as if reported. The printing and reading, or either, required in subparagraphs (b) and (c) of this section, may be dispensed with in a bill to codify the laws of the Commonwealth, and in the case of an emergency by a vote of four-fifths of the members voting in each house, the name of each member voting and how he voted to be recorded in the journal.

Article IV. Legislature
Section 13. Effective date of laws
All laws enacted at a regular session, including laws which are enacted by reason of actions taken during the reconvened session following a regular session, but excluding a general appropriation law, shall take effect on the first day of July following the adjournment of the session of the General Assembly at which it has been enacted; and all laws enacted at a special session, including laws which are enacted by reason of actions taken during the reconvened session following a special session but excluding a general appropriation law, shall take effect on the first day of the fourth month following the month of adjournment of the special session; unless in the case of an emergency (which emergency shall be expressed in the body of the bill) the General Assembly shall specify an earlier date by a vote of four-fifths of the members voting in each house, the name of each member voting and how he voted to be recorded in the journal, or unless a subsequent date is specified in the body of the bill or by general law.
Translation: You need a simple majority of those voting, and a minimum of 2/5ths of the total members, to pass anything. For emergency bills you can skip some steps, but then require 4/5ths of those voting.

Let's do the numbers:

HOUSE: 55 D, 45 R
Minimum present for quorum: 51
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 40
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present (assuming all 55 D's are there): 44

SENATE: 21 D, 19 R
Minimum present for quorum: 21
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 16
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present: 17
And if they do that they will almost guarantee an armed conflict.  
They wont, they will wait and pass it with a simple majority.
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And if they do that they will almost guarantee an armed conflict.  
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The aftermath would be interesting. They won't though.
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Agreed.  But it's going to suck to be one of the guys doing the lobbying (like myself).  That means disarmed with my wife, son, and parents on a long walk through the city and during the long walk home through possible leftist and Antifa bastards.  And the good lord even knows what else might happen . . .
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Anyone planning on speaking, carry whatever you are bringing without a round in the chamber and a gay-assed chamber marker to indicate it is, in fact not chambered.
Hand that weapon to a friend, spouse, life-partner, whatever.
Present your speech. Leave, and collect your weapon.
Probably not a great idea to then chamber a round, and avoid a discharge of some sort, but if shit kicks off, it's easy enough to get yourself in the fight.
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Since we're writing letters tonight, here's my random bourbon fueled ranting. A bit too wordy, but oh well.
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The relationship between the legislature and the people is a courtship, and on the subject of civil rights, in particular the right to keep and bear arms, the people of Virginia are clearly, without hesitation or reservation, informing the legislature that they do not consent to their advances. "No" means "No", and in matters of such consequence it means not waiting for others, including the courts, to decide the issue. The people of Virginia will not allow a handful of political activists to defile and sully the liberty that is not only a part of every Virginian's birthright and heritage, but also an intrinsic component of their very identity.

What Governor Northam and the legislature fails to realize is that what they seek to take from Virginians cannot be taken, it can only be given. Virginia will not be disarmed by force, and Virginians are joining together in unprecedented unity to make clear that they will never willingly give up their liberty. Perhaps the legislature could invest the funds they have earmarked toward trying to wage war upon the citizens of the commonwealth toward more noble goals, such as bringing Latin classes back to the public schools. SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS.
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I want some of your bourbon This is some of the most brilliant writing I've seen on here yet. Absolutely clear, brief and to the point, but with depth and sophistication in content and execution.
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It is a strange situation when Antifa is calling out the existence of common ground.
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It is a strange situation when Antifa is calling out the existence of common ground.
It isn’t their first post on this topic, and some of us have been saying for the last month that antifa is on our side on this issue, even if not on most others.

It’s not surprising at all. Just like it’s not surprising that DSA Delegate Lee Carter opposes many gun control bills.

Something something politics, something something strange bedfellows ...
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I think going inside and speaking is pointless, I wouldn't bother. You aren't going to say anything to them that will change their mind without it also being labeled a threat, they hate you -- simple as that.
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If that is 80% true, then the democrats are stomping on their dicks with combat boots with crampons affixed.

Wow.
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I've thought this myself.
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It'd be cool to get several thousand of the Silent Brigade stickers (or print it on business cards). Remove the rally date from the image.

Start leaving them everywhere. Restaurants, stores, doctors offices, gas stations, parks, schools....

A gentle reminder that gun owners have overwhelming numbers.
I've thought this myself.
+1
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Not virtue signalling here, but I just donated another $70 to VCDL to cover 2 bus tickets for my brothers and sisters who can attend the rally.  Something those of us who can't go, can do to help.
vcdl.org
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It isn’t their first post on this topic, and some of us have been saying for the last month that antifa is on our side on this issue, even if not on most others.

It’s not surprising at all. Just like it’s not surprising that DSA Delegate Lee Carter opposes many gun control bills.

Something something politics, something something strange bedfellows ...
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It is a strange situation when Antifa is calling out the existence of common ground.
It isn’t their first post on this topic, and some of us have been saying for the last month that antifa is on our side on this issue, even if not on most others.

It’s not surprising at all. Just like it’s not surprising that DSA Delegate Lee Carter opposes many gun control bills.

Something something politics, something something strange bedfellows ...
The far left, the real left, hates liberals, too. Always have.
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The Democratic legislators have exactly ZERO interest in talking to you.  They are interested in talking to their own Democratic voters.  You have nothing to say that they are interested in.
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I think going inside and speaking is pointless, I wouldn't bother. You aren't going to say anything to them that will change their mind without it also being labeled a threat, they hate you -- simple as that.
The Democratic legislators have exactly ZERO interest in talking to you.  They are interested in talking to their own Democratic voters.  You have nothing to say that they are interested in.
Absolutely correct.  The rhetoric, political atmosphere, etc. is so poisoned now that rational, reasonable discourse is impossible.  If the Governor was a true leader, he would call for a moratorium on the anti-gun legislation while everyone cools off.  But he's not a true leader so we will see what happens when political opponents quit talking with each other.  It's definitely going to be epic so fasten your seatbelts!
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It is, and it’ll be interesting to see how the media gets around already spinning it as “racist, white people”. Lol.
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The aftermath would be interesting. They won't though.
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And if they do that they will almost guarantee an armed conflict.  
They wont, they will wait and pass it with a simple majority.
The aftermath would be interesting. They won't though.
It would.  I mean, let's be real.  
If they did that they probably wouldn't survive the week.  They aren't that stupid.  They will just wait it out.
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Handing out leaflets with home addresses and pictures of each lawmaker that has sponsored or cosponsored the antigun legislation may prove more effective.
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What might help is to hand out copies of the Constitution and more importantly to be on camera doing it at every opportunity.
Handing out leaflets with home addresses and pictures of each lawmaker that has sponsored or cosponsored the antigun legislation may prove more effective.
It's ARF. Do both.

"Here is a copy of the Constitution."
"Inside is a handout with the CV of the assholes who can't seem to read and understand it."
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Sounds like antifa is figuring out the fascists in gov are on all sides
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they are already expecting violence, and doing their best to legislate their way through it.virginia will ABSOLUTELY be in a violent insurgency within 6 months. theres ZERO way this is not some demented democrat plan from federal democrats, bloomburg and soros, to kick off violence to wreck the 2020 election for trump.
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HOUSE BILL NO. 1545
Offered January 10, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1, relating to discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism enhancement.
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Patron-- Samirah
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Committee Referral Pending
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1 as follows:

17.1-805.1. Discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism.

A. For purposes of this section, an act of domestic terrorism includes any violation that is an act of violence as defined in  19.2-297.1 or any felony violation of  18.2-52, 18.2-52.1, 18.2-53, 18.2-53.1, 18.2-56.1, 18.2-57, 18.2-83, 18.2-108.1, 18.2-121, 18.2-127, 18.2-128, 18.2-138, 18.2-186.4, 18.2-279, 18.2-282, 18.2-282.1, 18.2-289, 18.2-300, 18.2-308.1, 18.2-308.2, 18.2-308.2:01, 18.2-312, 18.2-423, 18.2-423.01, 18.2-423.1, or 18.2-423.2, with the intent to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.

B. In addition to any increases in the midpoint of an initial recommended sentencing range calculated in accordance with  17.1-805, the midpoint of the recommended sentencing range for any act of domestic terrorism shall be further increased by 200 percent in all cases.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to  30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to  30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
they are already expecting violence, and doing their best to legislate their way through it.virginia will ABSOLUTELY be in a violent insurgency within 6 months. theres ZERO way this is not some demented democrat plan from federal democrats, bloomburg and soros, to kick off violence to wreck the 2020 election for trump.
This is becoming more obvious by the hour. Yes there are lots of useful idiots involved at various levels, and at various degrees of idiocy and ignorance, from random Karens and Soyboys to Moms-Demanding-Action to likely most of the virtue-signaling county and state level politicians involved, but somewhere there's a brain trust and an "Emperor Palpatine" who is all giddy about getting the hate flowing through the Patriots.
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I want some of your bourbon This is some of the most brilliant writing I've seen on here yet. Absolutely clear, brief and to the point, but with depth and sophistication in content and execution.
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you need to hang out and drink with UD sometime...
he has interesting thoughts.

ETA.. we have broken bread.. done live fire at 600m... in tornado soup.
and I am happy to call him brother.
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I was impressed with the VCDL guy on Bearing Arms. He didn't discourage bringing long guns and it sounded like he was encouraging people outside to have them.

He also said these laws could lead to bloodshed if people see no other recourse although Cam talked it down a little after he said it.
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Me too. When Cam brought up about Shannon Watts tweeting that (not exact words) they are going to provoke and film, I checked out her twitter feed.

She sure hates us.

I hope our people keep their heads on right.
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The Democratic legislators have exactly ZERO interest in talking to you.  They are interested in talking to their own Democratic voters.  You have nothing to say that they are interested in.
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I think going inside and speaking is pointless, I wouldn't bother. You aren't going to say anything to them that will change their mind without it also being labeled a threat, they hate you -- simple as that.
The Democratic legislators have exactly ZERO interest in talking to you.  They are interested in talking to their own Democratic voters.  You have nothing to say that they are interested in.
This is about people assuaging their conscience that they truly did everything they could.  Essential for a movement to retain moral legitimacy.  The Declaration of Independence was not mailed to the Crown with the expectation of redress, but it was still sent.
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Sounds like antifa is figuring out the fascists in gov are on all sides
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Sounds like they're jockeying to become the face of the movement & portray us as anarchists, if you ask me.

They take orders, remember?  So who is ordering them to riot as we peacefully protest, and why?
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It might be a good idea to compile online conversations from leftist/antifa pages and forums as well. I looked around on twitter to see if any antifa pages were mentioning this and didn't find anything.

There has to be an accessible forum somewhere where people opposing and potentially planning to sabotage this are talking.

Of course since few of them likely work for a living they probably have the luxury of talking in person a lot more than we do.

Pretty to interesting to see antifa calling the Governor of Va dangerous.
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And if they do that they will almost guarantee an armed conflict.  
They wont, they will wait and pass it with a simple majority.
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If they wanted to pass these gun laws before 1/20, they could likely pull it off.

A simple majority is all that is required for quorum in each house, and 4/5ths majority of those voting is all that is required to pass emergency legislation. They could show up at midnight with no Republicans in attendance, satisfy the quorum requirements and the 4/5th of those voting requirement, and push these bills through with immediate effect.


Article IV. Legislature
Section 11. Enactment of laws
No law shall be enacted except by bill. A bill may originate in either house, may be approved or rejected by the other, or may be amended by either, with the concurrence of the other. No bill shall become a law unless, prior to its passage:
(a) it has been referred to a committee of each house, considered by such committee in session, and reported;
(b) it has been printed by the house in which it originated prior to its passage therein;
(c) it has been read by its title, or its title has been printed in a daily calendar, on three different calendar days in each house; and
(d) upon its final passage a vote has been taken thereon in each house, the name of each member voting for and against recorded in the journal, and a majority of those voting in each house, which majority shall include at least two-fifths of the members elected to that house, recorded in the affirmative.
Only in the manner required in subparagraph (d) of this section shall an amendment to a bill by one house be concurred in by the other, or a conference report be adopted by either house, or either house discharge a committee from the consideration of a bill and consider the same as if reported. The printing and reading, or either, required in subparagraphs (b) and (c) of this section, may be dispensed with in a bill to codify the laws of the Commonwealth, and in the case of an emergency by a vote of four-fifths of the members voting in each house, the name of each member voting and how he voted to be recorded in the journal.

Article IV. Legislature
Section 13. Effective date of laws
All laws enacted at a regular session, including laws which are enacted by reason of actions taken during the reconvened session following a regular session, but excluding a general appropriation law, shall take effect on the first day of July following the adjournment of the session of the General Assembly at which it has been enacted; and all laws enacted at a special session, including laws which are enacted by reason of actions taken during the reconvened session following a special session but excluding a general appropriation law, shall take effect on the first day of the fourth month following the month of adjournment of the special session; unless in the case of an emergency (which emergency shall be expressed in the body of the bill) the General Assembly shall specify an earlier date by a vote of four-fifths of the members voting in each house, the name of each member voting and how he voted to be recorded in the journal, or unless a subsequent date is specified in the body of the bill or by general law.
Translation: You need a simple majority of those voting, and a minimum of 2/5ths of the total members, to pass anything. For emergency bills you can skip some steps, but then require 4/5ths of those voting.

Let's do the numbers:

HOUSE: 55 D, 45 R
Minimum present for quorum: 51
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 40
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present (assuming all 55 D's are there): 44

SENATE: 21 D, 19 R
Minimum present for quorum: 21
Minimum votes for 2/5ths: 16
Minimum votes for emergency bill if only Democrats are present: 17
And if they do that they will almost guarantee an armed conflict.  
They wont, they will wait and pass it with a simple majority.
I could see them doing this approach to pass the bill that bans carrying on commonwealth owned property.
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It might be a good idea to compile online conversations from leftist/antifa pages and forums as well. I looked around on twitter to see if any antifa pages were mentioning this and didn't find anything.

There has to be an accessible forum somewhere where people opposing and potentially planning to sabotage this are talking.

Of course since few of them likely work for a living they probably have the luxury of talking in person a lot more than we do.

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Is anyone from our side on their twitter, or member of their forums?  Why can't we get intel on them like they can on us?  Do they even have antifa forums?
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It might be a good idea to compile online conversations from leftist/antifa pages and forums as well. I looked around on twitter to see if any antifa pages were mentioning this and didn't find anything.

There has to be an accessible forum somewhere where people opposing and potentially planning to sabotage this are talking.

Of course since few of them likely work for a living they probably have the luxury of talking in person a lot more than we do.

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ANTIFA is less of a threat here than Fudds trying to sell us out. We are our own worst enemy. All you have to do is spend 10min browsing the VRG Facebook group to find just what cucks we’re surrounded by. People still begging for their rights and thinking that suits and ties and nice little speeches work.

Hell the number of people that don’t understand that Lobby Day isn’t a VCDL run event and that people from every group and profession will be there lobbying doesn’t stick.
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Some people forget that this is NOT a political rally.

This is NOT about supporting Republicans.
This is NOT about supporting Trump.
This is NOT about supporting conservatives.

This is about supporting the 2nd Amendment - an enumerated CIVIL RIGHT from the U.S. Constitution.  This is a Civil Rights rally.

If someone is there to support the 2nd amendment, I don't care what their other views are.  We can fight about that some other day.
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It is a strange situation when Antifa is calling out the existence of common ground.
It isn’t their first post on this topic, and some of us have been saying for the last month that antifa is on our side on this issue, even if not on most others.

It’s not surprising at all. Just like it’s not surprising that DSA Delegate Lee Carter opposes many gun control bills.

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Some people forget that this is NOT a political rally.

This is NOT about supporting Republicans.
This is NOT about supporting Trump.
This is NOT about supporting conservatives.

This is about supporting the 2nd Amendment - an enumerated CIVIL RIGHT from the U.S. Constitution.  This is a Civil Rights rally.

If someone is there to support the 2nd amendment, I don't care what their other views are.  We can fight about that some other day.
It wouldn't be the first time patriots and communists joined forces to defeat tyrants.
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they are already expecting violence, and doing their best to legislate their way through it.virginia will ABSOLUTELY be in a violent insurgency within 6 months. theres ZERO way this is not some demented democrat plan from federal democrats, bloomburg and soros, to kick off violence to wreck the 2020 election for trump.
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HOUSE BILL NO. 1545
Offered January 10, 2020
A BILL to amend the Code of Virginia by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1, relating to discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism enhancement.
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Patron-- Samirah
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Committee Referral Pending
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Be it enacted by the General Assembly of Virginia:

1. That the Code of Virginia is amended by adding a section numbered 17.1-805.1 as follows:

§ 17.1-805.1. Discretionary sentencing guideline midpoints; act of domestic terrorism.

A. For purposes of this section, an act of domestic terrorism includes any violation that is an act of violence as defined in § 19.2-297.1 or any felony violation of § 18.2-52, 18.2-52.1, 18.2-53, 18.2-53.1, 18.2-56.1, 18.2-57, 18.2-83, 18.2-108.1, 18.2-121, 18.2-127, 18.2-128, 18.2-138, 18.2-186.4, 18.2-279, 18.2-282, 18.2-282.1, 18.2-289, 18.2-300, 18.2-308.1, 18.2-308.2, 18.2-308.2:01, 18.2-312, 18.2-423, 18.2-423.01, 18.2-423.1, or 18.2-423.2, with the intent to (i) intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) influence the policy of a local, state, or federal government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) disrupt the conduct or workings of a local, state, or federal government.

B. In addition to any increases in the midpoint of an initial recommended sentencing range calculated in accordance with § 17.1-805, the midpoint of the recommended sentencing range for any act of domestic terrorism shall be further increased by 200 percent in all cases.

2. That the provisions of this act may result in a net increase in periods of imprisonment or commitment. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of imprisonment in state adult correctional facilities; therefore, Chapter 854 of the Acts of Assembly of 2019 requires the Virginia Criminal Sentencing Commission to assign a minimum fiscal impact of $50,000. Pursuant to § 30-19.1:4 of the Code of Virginia, the estimated amount of the necessary appropriation cannot be determined for periods of commitment to the custody of the Department of Juvenile Justice.
they are already expecting violence, and doing their best to legislate their way through it.virginia will ABSOLUTELY be in a violent insurgency within 6 months. theres ZERO way this is not some demented democrat plan from federal democrats, bloomburg and soros, to kick off violence to wreck the 2020 election for trump.
I’ve said this for weeks. Can’t hold a national election if one of the states is in chaos.
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Some people forget that this is NOT a political rally.



This is NOT about supporting Republicans.
This is NOT about supporting Trump.
This is NOT about supporting conservatives.

This is about supporting the 2nd Amendment - an enumerated CIVIL RIGHT from the U.S. Constitution.  This is a Civil Rights rally.

If someone is there to support the 2nd amendment, I don't care what their other views are.  We can fight about that some other day.
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It is a strange situation when Antifa is calling out the existence of common ground.
It isn’t their first post on this topic, and some of us have been saying for the last month that antifa is on our side on this issue, even if not on most others.

It’s not surprising at all. Just like it’s not surprising that DSA Delegate Lee Carter opposes many gun control bills.

Something something politics, something something strange bedfellows ...
Some people forget that this is NOT a political rally.



This is NOT about supporting Republicans.
This is NOT about supporting Trump.
This is NOT about supporting conservatives.

This is about supporting the 2nd Amendment - an enumerated CIVIL RIGHT from the U.S. Constitution.  This is a Civil Rights rally.

If someone is there to support the 2nd amendment, I don't care what their other views are.  We can fight about that some other day.
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