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Posted: 9/23/2023 8:59:12 AM EST
[#1]
Well Hells bells this is going to be a interesting. That's messed up.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:02:30 AM EST
[#2]
This is why you don't share war footage.
Remember folks, you can't surrender to a drone. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:03:13 AM EST
[#3]
Ukraine tells us it is the front line, defending democracy and Western values.
The account says it's not possible to surrender to a drone. Iraqis surrendered to AH-64s in 1991. And earlier this year. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:04:12 AM EST
[#4]
SLABA-UOOO-KRAIN, all for glory.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:04:39 AM EST
[#5]
Seems a bit sadistic, but then again, who knows what the drone operator has seen as far as the horrors of war.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:05:40 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why you don't share war footage. Remember folks, you can't surrender to a drone. Why not? Is it autonomous? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:06:11 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why you don't share war footage. Remember folks, you can't surrender to a drone. Really? It has happened . You certainly don't share pictures and videos of fucking war crimes and then publicly laugh about it. Because then it's obvious that in your unit, if not your entire Army, that you commit war crimes. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:07:22 AM EST
[#8]
Wtf were they supposed to do? Is the drone gonna swoop down and secure him and put him in a camp?
If they quit dropping bombs on him and leave, then he walks off, gets patched up and lives to fight another day. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:07:43 AM EST
[#9]
Probably the same thing Ukranian civilians did in Bucha when the Russians came through before they were killed. Fuck the Russians.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:07:49 AM EST
[#10]
Despite a government driven MSM and online spam campaign, designed to rig the PR game in Ukraine's favor, the Ukrainians still manage to make themselves look absolutely abhorrent. Compare to the kneecap shooting video, also starring Ukrainians.
Once the Ukraine shill script hits something like this, they have to reboot and go back to knock-knock who's there nonsense like "But Russia could just surrender and go home!" or "But what about kyiv/kiev in 2 days!" |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:09:31 AM EST
[#11]
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I'm sure some here will love this, but it's a war crime. "Both Russia and Ukraine are Parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and the 1977 Additional Protocols. Accordingly, they are bound by those instruments, as well as the customary international law of armed conflict." Geneva? Never heard of it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:09:58 AM EST
[#12]
Ukrainian Drone operator footage is russian disinfo |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:10:41 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Despite a government driven MSM and online spam campaign, designed to rig the PR game in Ukraine's favor, the Ukrainians still manage to make themselves look absolutely abhorrent. Compare to the kneecap shooting video, also starring Ukrainians. Once the Ukraine shill script hits something like this, they have to reboot and go back to knock-knock who's there nonsense like "But Russia could just surrender and go home!" or "But what about kyiv/kiev in 2 days!" UKR-Bois are gathering now for their IO offensive on this thread, of that you can be sure. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:11:07 AM EST
[#14]
GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE
Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe 
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:11:25 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems a bit sadistic, but then again, who knows what the drone operator has seen as far as the horrors of war. In WWII the Red Army did that. They decided to be as brutal as the Germans. Tit for tat. In the end, both were blood drenched brutes. Both were butchers serving evil leaders. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:12:19 AM EST
[#16]
When you invade another country and slaughter civilians, it usually doesn't turn out like a fucking children's story.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:14:31 AM EST
[#17]
I know it’s happened before, but is there a lawful expectation of surrender to a drone?
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:16:20 AM EST
[#18]
Slav on Slav crime.
Just another day in |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:16:35 AM EST
[#19]
Are there possible "war crimes" on an invading force??? I think it's an oxymoron. Defend by all means necessary. ALL MEANS.
[BTW I am not an UkeBro, but I advocate for natural law] |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:17:02 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:17:28 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I know it's happened before, but is there a lawful expectation of surrender to a drone? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:19:18 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When you invade another country and slaughter civilians YET AGAIN , it usually doesn't turn out like a fucking children's story. The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us. It's very much not the case. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:19:25 AM EST
[#23]
They’ve been doing it from the start don’t care that much but I do care that if that was a uk or us drone operator they’d probably be charged
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:20:10 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are there possible "war crimes" on an invading force??? I think it's an oxymoron. Defend by all means necessary. ALL MEANS. [BTW I am not an UkeBro, but I advocate for natural law] If you allegedly hold to higher values, then when your allegedly disciplined soldiers abandon those values, you've become your enemy. War crimes beget war crimes. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:20:17 AM EST
[#25]
Neither sides gives a damn about the rules of war.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:21:30 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? It has happened . You certainly don't share pictures and videos of fucking war crimes and then publicly laugh about it. Because then it's obvious that in your unit, if not your entire Army, that you commit war crimes. I'm just saying the drone can't take you to a POW camp if you surrender. It's a war, you're either in the battle or you're not. Todays battle plan: Throw your hands up until the drone flies over, then get back to fighting. Whatever leadership they have there should be putting an end to this drone footage bullshit. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:21:36 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). 
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:22:39 AM EST
[#28]
Honest question; what if the drone operator is some sort of guerilla fighter (non-"soldier"), do war crimes apply to them, or is it just generic crime?
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:24:04 AM EST
[#29]
Where are all the Uk fan bois
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:24:54 AM EST
[#30]
The term "war crime" always makes me think of a Indy 500 speeding ticket. Makes about as much sense as removing flash hiders to make a firearm safer.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:24:59 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us. It's very much not the case. All "Russia/commies are our enemy" aside, what's also fascinating is that while Russia/former-combloc appear "western", they're not. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:27:08 AM EST
[#32]
Posting the video was the stupid part. Everyone knows cruel things happen in war. Why be stupid and post it up so everyone sees it?
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:28:21 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They’ve been doing it from the start don’t care that much but I do care that if that was a uk or us drone operator they’d probably be charged Yeah, the popular "sunroof" video was proof of that. The second drop on it was them very clearly targeting a vehicle that was attempting to transport wounded to receive medical care (which they knew because the first drop is what wounded them). That said, it's hard to blame them. If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat. The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:28:26 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). It helps when you win. (For your first paragraph.) There was zero chance of the Allies determining that our conduct in Meetinghouse or Starvation was going to be interpreted as a war crime. Agree with your second paragraph, and with your original point that this video is an own goal for the Ukrainians. Assuming it's their video. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:29:58 AM EST
[#35]
What makes that a war crime? How is that any different than artillery hitting a troop concentration several times?
It's an honest question... |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:31:35 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: War crimes beget war crimes. Really? What war crimes Germany did AFTER the Soviets crushed them?!?!? Actually, the result was total domination of Eastern Europe for half a century with little further local resistance. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:31:36 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's why discipline exists. When soldiers abandon their (alleged) values because the other side is brutal then there is no difference. In WWII the Red Army did that. They decided to be as brutal as the Germans. Tit for tat. In the end, both were blood drenched brutes. Both were butchers serving evil leaders. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems a bit sadistic, but then again, who knows what the drone operator has seen as far as the horrors of war. In WWII the Red Army did that. They decided to be as brutal as the Germans. Tit for tat. In the end, both were blood drenched brutes. Both were butchers serving evil leaders. Don’t start nothing-won’t be nothing. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:32:19 AM EST
[#38]
It's never a war crime the first time.
It's never a war crime if you win. It's never a war crime if there is no evidence. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:32:24 AM EST
[#39]
They are losing and they know it so as time goes on they will get more brutal with everything
I can't really blame them on that |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:32:32 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, the popular "sunroof" video was proof of that. The second drop on it was them very clearly targeting a vehicle that was attempting to transport wounded to receive medical care (which they knew because the first drop is what wounded them). That said, it's hard to blame them. If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat. The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They’ve been doing it from the start don’t care that much but I do care that if that was a uk or us drone operator they’d probably be charged Yeah, the popular "sunroof" video was proof of that. The second drop on it was them very clearly targeting a vehicle that was attempting to transport wounded to receive medical care (which they knew because the first drop is what wounded them). That said, it's hard to blame them. If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat. The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim. And on your first paragraph, does that logic apply to the conduct captured in the infamous wikileaks footage of the Apache lighting up the guy with the minivan picking up wounded? Unless the van or the "clearly targeted" vehicle in your case are clearly placarded as medical/non-combatant personnel, I'd say that neither are war crimes, but it's something to look at. Again, not something to be bragging about on social media. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:33:09 AM EST
[#41]
War is hell
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:34:31 AM EST
[#42]
I wouldn't kill like that, but I also have not had a foreign army occupy my country.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:35:09 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water).  The fuck we didn't. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:35:58 AM EST
[#44]
I’m no Ukie bro but how do you say “because we live here” in their language?
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:36:48 AM EST
[#45]
Invade America and watch. Is this a crime defined by a law that Ukraine agreed to follow? If not, then it's not law.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:36:59 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us. It's very much not the case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When you invade another country and slaughter civilians YET AGAIN , it usually doesn't turn out like a fucking children's story. The USA proceeds as if the rest of the world is culturally just like us. It's very much not the case. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:37:09 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And on your first paragraph, does that logic apply to the conduct captured in the infamous wikileaks footage of the Apache lighting up the guy with the minivan picking up wounded? Unless the van or the "clearly targeted" vehicle in your case are clearly placarded as medical/non-combatant personnel, I'd say that neither are war crimes, but it's something to look at. Again, not something to be bragging about on social media. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: They’ve been doing it from the start don’t care that much but I do care that if that was a uk or us drone operator they’d probably be charged Yeah, the popular "sunroof" video was proof of that. The second drop on it was them very clearly targeting a vehicle that was attempting to transport wounded to receive medical care (which they knew because the first drop is what wounded them). That said, it's hard to blame them. If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat. The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim. And on your first paragraph, does that logic apply to the conduct captured in the infamous wikileaks footage of the Apache lighting up the guy with the minivan picking up wounded? Unless the van or the "clearly targeted" vehicle in your case are clearly placarded as medical/non-combatant personnel, I'd say that neither are war crimes, but it's something to look at. Again, not something to be bragging about on social media. They knew the car was transporting wounded because they're the ones who wounded them. The drone made a drop and went back for a reload. When it came back the soldiers were bandaged up and trying to load into the car that got targeted. Clearly marked or not, they knew the soldiers were fleeing for medical aid. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:37:32 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe Under the Geneva and Hague conventions, as well as the laws and customs of war, the bombing of Japan was a legitimate action. The US didn't machine guns Japanese sailors in the water (the Japanese did, and behead US sailors pulled from the water). Seriously? The US most definitely DID the former. They also strafed parachuting airmen on occasion. ETA…..not judging, just stating fact. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:37:38 AM EST
[#49]
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I'm sure some here will love this, but it's a war crime. "Both Russia and Ukraine are Parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and the 1977 Additional Protocols. Accordingly, they are bound by those instruments, as well as the customary international law of armed conflict." That’s silly. You can’t surrender to a drone. You can quit the fight and run towards the enemy, because you don’t want to die. But asking for mercy when there’s no way to safely more you across those lines isn’t surrender, it’s regret. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 9:39:29 AM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are all the Uk fan bois Here I am, responding to the ArfCommies. ArfCommies never met a Russian they wouldn't hastily trip and fall down to suck off. I don't care what the Ukrainians are doing, when Russians kill Ukrainian civilians in warcrime invasion, this is what you get. Guess who is under investigation for war crimes officially? Putin. He'll eventually get what's coming to him. |
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