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Posted: 1/25/2022 8:56:43 AM EDT
Kind of like a Javelin lite, did not know this was a thing
  Anti-Tank Weapons for Ukraine: Bring up the NLAW |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:07:00 AM EDT
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Having weapons is one thing. The police I trained in Mosul had many more weapons than ISIS.
The will to fight is another thing entirely. We'll see. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:08:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Having weapons is one thing. The police I trained in Mosul had many more weapons than ISIS. The will to fight is another thing entirely. We'll see. Would be pretty sweet if FJB managed to arm ISIS and Russia in a 6 month span. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:21:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Having weapons is one thing. The police I trained in Mosul had many more weapons than ISIS. The will to fight is another thing entirely. We'll see. Ain’t that a hard truth. I hope Ukrainian people are different, they seem to be so. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:46:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ain’t that a hard truth. I hope Ukrainian people are different, they seem to be so. Best I remember they got their shit pushed in pretty quick the back in 2014. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:56:13 AM EDT
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Isn’t anyone holding one of those going to be mashed up by artillery or drones before a tank even gets close enough?
This seems good for public consumption but I’ve heard zero about any air war, air campaign, drone or anti-drone capabilities, or the state of Ukraine’s Air Force or helicopters. And I don’t think they have any A10s or other brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 10:15:02 AM EDT
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I assume those are single use?
If so, that's a lot of wasted packing and material |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 10:28:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would be pretty sweet if FJB managed to arm ISIS and Russia in a 6 month span. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Having weapons is one thing. The police I trained in Mosul had many more weapons than ISIS. The will to fight is another thing entirely. We'll see. Would be pretty sweet if FJB managed to arm ISIS and Russia in a 6 month span. In before some corrupt Ukrainian arms dealer buys off half of the weapons delivered and resells them to Houthis. 
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:26:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would be pretty sweet if FJB managed to arm ISIS and Russia in a 6 month span. That is what I am expecting to see. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:32:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best I remember they got their shit pushed in pretty quick the back in 2014. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ain’t that a hard truth. I hope Ukrainian people are different, they seem to be so. Best I remember they got their shit pushed in pretty quick the back in 2014. Kind of a surprise attack planned by the 3rd largest military in the world. Hard not to. They’ve been fighting a proxy war on their border for 7 years so hopefully they can at least send some trucks full of body bags back to Russia before Kiev falls. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:34:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume those are single use? If so, that's a lot of wasted packing and material Tell me more about how you transport your missiles,just throw em in the back of the F150 like cord wood? |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:36:28 PM EDT
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Did anyone else notice the new Iranian MBT ar 1:45?
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:39:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I assume those are single use? If so, that's a lot of wasted packing and material I, too, am concerned with eco friendly packaging when I am blowing shit up, setting things on fire and killing folks. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:43:23 PM EDT
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 NLAW Tactical Firings |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:44:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isn’t anyone holding one of those going to be mashed up by artillery or drones before a tank even gets close enough? This seems good for public consumption but I’ve heard zero about any air war, air campaign, drone or anti-drone capabilities, or the state of Ukraine’s Air Force or helicopters. And I don’t think they have any A10s or other brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Russia will own the skies and hammer Ukrainian positions, but these ATGM are light, very portable, simple to use, accurate and effective if you are within 600m. Perfect weapon for guerrilla warfare to harass and destroy armor and troop/supply transports. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 5:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia will own the skies and hammer Ukrainian positions, but these ATGM are light, very portable, simple to use, accurate and effective if you are within 600m. Perfect weapon for guerrilla warfare to harass and destroy armor and troop/supply transports. Russia is already saying by NATO giving Ukraine weapons they are now saying Ukraine is getting ready to attack the eastern front. Russia is going use that as an excuse to invade. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:08:17 PM EDT
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ACOG sight.
Clever. One time use weapon but with reusable, repurposable parts. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:13:15 PM EDT
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IF Russia makes any moves on Ukraine, most of these will end up in Russian hands. . . .
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:18:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of like a Javelin lite, did not know this was a thing  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHZ_qfuEKRYQuote HistoryQuoted: Kind of like a Javelin lite, did not know this was a thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHZ_qfuEKRYNot really the Jav is a smart round that can track a moving target, the NLAW is a predicted impact point round that goes to a predicted point. Quoted: ACOG sight. Clever. One time use weapon but with reusable, repurposable parts. Saab was selling AT-4 series weapons with Aimpoint T2 on them a few years ago. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:19:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell me more about how you transport your missiles,just throw em in the back of the F150 like cord wood? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I assume those are single use? If so, that's a lot of wasted packing and material Tell me more about how you transport your missiles,just throw em in the back of the F150 like cord wood? |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:20:23 PM EDT
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14,000 dead Ukrainians and their posts are still manned. They will fight.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:20:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I, too, am concerned with eco friendly packaging when I am blowing shit up, setting things on fire and killing folks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I assume those are single use? If so, that's a lot of wasted packing and material I, too, am concerned with eco friendly packaging when I am blowing shit up, setting things on fire and killing folks. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:21:56 PM EDT
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I think Putin is pushing his luck this go'round. Just a gut feeling.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:23:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IF Russia makes any moves on Ukraine, most of these will end up in Russian hands. . . . Anyone with experience want to comment on the performance of these verse an RPG-7V2 or Kornet? |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:25:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ACOG sight. Clever. One time use weapon but with reusable, repurposable parts. For $34k you can get the chicom knock-off  |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:30:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone with experience want to comment on the performance of these verse an RPG-7V2 or Kornet? Kornet is an ATGM, that allows post-firing shooter input, the RPG is just a point and shoot dumb round. The NLAW is smart, unguided weapon if you lay on a stationary target the round compensates for wind, etc increasing hit probability if you are tracking a moving target the round flys to a predicted impact point based on the elevation of the tube and it's movement as the shooter tracks the target prior to firing. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:33:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Having weapons is one thing. The police I trained in Mosul had many more weapons than ISIS. The will to fight is another thing entirely. We'll see. Having more will to fight than the Iraqis isn’t exactly a high bar. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:36:31 PM EDT
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Does the ACOG get thrown away with the tube?
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:43:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Having weapons is one thing. The police I trained in Mosul had many more weapons than ISIS. The will to fight is another thing entirely. We'll see. The russians starved 6 million Ukranians to death just before WWII. They call it the Holodomor. On average, the Ukranians harbor a deep, burning genocidal hatred for Russia. Lottsa folks in eastern europe seem to feel similarly. My money says the Ukranians will acquit themselves well. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:47:23 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia is already saying by NATO giving Ukraine weapons they are now saying Ukraine is getting ready to attack the eastern front. Russia is going use that as an excuse to invade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia will own the skies and hammer Ukrainian positions, but these ATGM are light, very portable, simple to use, accurate and effective if you are within 600m. Perfect weapon for guerrilla warfare to harass and destroy armor and troop/supply transports. Russia is already saying by NATO giving Ukraine weapons they are now saying Ukraine is getting ready to attack the eastern front. Russia is going use that as an excuse to invade. They would find a bullshit excuse either way or just make something up. They have no problem attacking their own troops and blowing up their own civilians apartment buildings to create an excuse for action. At least with 4000 ATGM's in country the cost to Russia's armor and pride is at risk. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:48:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ACOG sight. Clever. One time use weapon but with reusable, repurposable parts. I'll be scouting eBay for them once the shit pops off over there! |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone with experience want to comment on the performance of these verse an RPG-7V2 or Kornet? I have none but I think Kornet is guided and similar to our TOW II and I dont know if the 7V2 is top attack like the NLAW. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 6:52:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IF Russia makes any moves on Ukraine, most of these will end up in Russian hands. . . . Russia has no shortage of their own ATGM's that are comparable to these. The ones being sent to Ukraine are at the end of their expiration date, so the UK was happy to ship them off. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:09:23 PM EDT
[#33]
I wonder how Ukraine is set for SAMs. They need to not give up control of their airspace.
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:13:28 PM EDT
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What the Ukraine really needs is an integrated air defense system (IADS). However, that would not be tolerated by the Russians and they'd invade for certain if we sent those over there.
If the Ukraine survives this they'll need to develop, in secret, their own IADS systems and then rapidly manufacture and deploy them before the Russians could respond. In a corrupt government with half the people on the Russian pay roll good luck doing that. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What the Ukraine really needs is an integrated air defense system (IADS). However, that would not be tolerated by the Russians and they'd invade for certain if we sent those over there. If the Ukraine survives this they'll need to develop, in secret, their own IADS systems and then rapidly manufacture and deploy them before the Russians could respond. In a corrupt government with half the people on the Russian pay roll good luck doing that. If America really wanted to spread safety and make allies, they would have a complete missile system that is disguised to look likes normal shipping container. A group of 3 of them could easily have the missile, radar, and control center. It would fly under the radar and nobody would know until they needed it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:36:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If America really wanted to spread safety and make allies, they would have a complete missile system that is disguised to look likes normal shipping container. A group of 3 of them could easily have the missile, radar, and control center. It would fly under the radar and nobody would know until they needed it. You may find this hard to believe but it's a violation the rules covering armed conflict between nation-states covered under Perfidy. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 7:54:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best I remember they got their shit pushed in pretty quick the back in 2014. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ain’t that a hard truth. I hope Ukrainian people are different, they seem to be so. Best I remember they got their shit pushed in pretty quick the back in 2014. They had a lack of certain equipment the first go around, like ATGM, which put them at a significant disadvantage against armor, but did well considering the circumstances. There are a few videos of Phillip Karber speaking about it. They were posted here the last time there was fighting there. https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=_CMby_WPjk4 https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=oUpSBs5dnmE |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 8:21:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You may find this hard to believe but it's a violation the rules covering armed conflict between nation-states covered under Perfidy.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:02:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThe reason I know that answer is I had long conversion with one of the service chief’s JAG offices that deals with permissible weapons and techniques used in war on that very subject |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reason I know that answer is I had long conversion with one of the service chief’s JAG offices that deals with permissible weapons and techniques used in war on that very subject Cool. Don’t care. We shouldn’t be hamstrung by rules of what we can do to protect our country. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:10:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reason I know that answer is I had long conversion with one of the service chief’s JAG offices that deals with permissible weapons and techniques used in war on that very subject So a shipping container full of missiles is a no no if you launch them from the container, ....but if you take the missiles out in the dead of night and put them under came netting, so the enemy can't see them, that is fine? |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:10:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool. Don’t care. We shouldn’t be hamstrung by rules of what we can do to protect our country. And this. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:12:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how Ukraine is set for SAMs. They need to not give up control of their airspace. Ask Malaysian Airlines. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:14:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You may find this hard to believe but it's a violation the rules covering armed conflict between nation-states covered under Perfidy. What's the penalty for breaking the rules if you don't lose the war? |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how Ukraine is set for SAMs. They need to not give up control of their airspace. They have almost none. Problem is anyone who supplies SAM to them would also have to supply the technicians to operate it. It takes a lot of training and experience to operate air defense systems. Russia would lose their shit if there were US/NATO troops in Ukraine pressing the buttons to knock down their aircraft. So Ukraine will be fighting with zero air cover... |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:24:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So a shipping container full of missiles is a no no if you launch them from the container, ....but if you take the missiles out in the dead of night and put them under came netting, so the enemy can't see them, that is fine? Actually it is, the issue comes down to distinction and differentiation. You can store weapons in 20 or 40 foot container all you want, but turning them into launchers without distinctive means of them being recognizable becomes a perfidy issue. An example of this would be if we put those containers that are actually launchers on USS ships (USS are warships and assumed everything on them is targetable) and as such would be fine but putting those same unmarked, non distinctive boxes that are launchers on none USS ships would not be allowed under current US understanding of agreements. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:25:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the penalty for breaking the rules if you don't lose the war? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You may find this hard to believe but it's a violation the rules covering armed conflict between nation-states covered under Perfidy. What's the penalty for breaking the rules if you don't lose the war? If you are a western nation probably a lot of bad press, none western probably nothing. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:29:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have almost none. Problem is anyone who supplies SAM to them would also have to supply the technicians to operate it. It takes a lot of training and experience to operate air defense systems. Russia would lose their shit if there were US/NATO troops in Ukraine pressing the buttons to knock down their aircraft. So Ukraine will be fighting with zero air cover... Quote HistoryQuoted: They have almost none. Problem is anyone who supplies SAM to them would also have to supply the technicians to operate it. It takes a lot of training and experience to operate air defense systems. Russia would lose their shit if there were US/NATO troops in Ukraine pressing the buttons to knock down their aircraft. So Ukraine will be fighting with zero air cover... Quoted: They have almost none. Problem is anyone who supplies SAM to them would also have to supply the technicians to operate it. It takes a lot of training and experience to operate air defense systems. Russia would lose their shit if there were US/NATO troops in Ukraine pressing the buttons to knock down their aircraft. So Ukraine will be fighting with zero air cover... Not actually true, they inherited quite a bit of AD assists from their time as part of the Soviet Union ranging from MANPADs to high altitude Air Defense systems. |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:32:35 PM EDT
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Chinese missile and/or MLRS box
 Attached FileIranian disguised anti-ship missile platform  Attached FileIranian missile box  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/25/2022 9:34:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chinese missile and/or MLRS box https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/00379769-9441-4812-8E06-EBF34675A277_jpe-2254446.JPG Iranian disguised anti-ship missile platform https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/8C27FBED-427A-4F7C-A0D5-8E53793C247F_jpe-2254447.JPG Iranian missile box https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/56204/2191B2DE-D896-4DC0-8FF3-A8C3AABCFB02_jpe-2254449.JPG Apparently having Gender Identity Compassion and Understanding powerpoints make up for that. |
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