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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:41:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: Rat_Patrol]
I ended up ordering these tires:
https://www.carlislebrandtires.com/our-products/product-detail/versa-trail/ In the ATR variant. Ordered from Amazon, because one of the reviews was they were no longer made in USA, despite being advertised as such, so easy returns and all. Went with 26" tires, 1" bigger than stock. Just wanted to follow up after spring mud season that I'm so far really happy with these tires. They are in fact made in USA. Taking kiddo on a million laps on our little trail on our 4 acres, including through low wooded land that stays flooded in spring, the tires are treating me right. They pull well through mud, very well. I got stuck only once when the trail in the woods got so rutted that I high centered and dug a pit deep enough for the exhaust tip to be blowing mud bubbles  . Put it in reverse, wormed my way out. They do a number on grass, but they aren't turf tires! They handle great on the gravel road too. I'll give them 5/5 starts, pending a trip to spider lake this summer. Will buy again. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:43:44 PM EST
[#1]
Oh, primary uses are driving around the yard, and trail conditions up here are typically sandy soil with rocks.
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Posted: 3/4/2023 9:23:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: ColtRifle]
[#2]
I'm a big fan of the SunF A043 tires. Have them on my ATV and my RZR. Ride very smooth and plenty of traction. The smooth ride is my favorite part.
No experience with the tires in the OP but looks like a nice tire. My only dislike about it is it's not a radial tire. Radial tires ride much nicer. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 11:28:07 PM EST
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We have lots of clay in the soil around here, so I got more open tread so it'll self-clean better. Sandy soil should sling out of there, so those should work.
This is from 2017, when I replaced the original/2008 tires;   Here's a recent pic;  |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 8:58:48 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColtRifle: I'm a big fan of the SunF A043 tires. Have them on my ATV and my RZR. Ride very smooth and plenty of traction. The smooth ride is my favorite part. No experience with the tires in the OP but looks like a nice tire. My only dislike about it is it's not a radial tire. Radial tires ride much nicer. I agree on the Radial tires. The Sedona bias ply here are extremely susceptible to honey locust thorns. I didn’t run that tread on my Polaris four wheeler but a knobby tread that was soft and sticky. They were great in hard ground and rocks but sucked in the pasture. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 11:52:30 AM EST
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So radials ride nicer? I honestly didn't know that.
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Posted: 3/5/2023 2:40:13 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rat_Patrol: So radials ride nicer? I honestly didn't know that. Air pressure will determine ride quality more than Bias vs Radial. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 3:02:57 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rat_Patrol: So radials ride nicer? I honestly didn't know that. Much much nicer. Highly recommend radials whenever possible. |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 5:23:02 PM EST
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So, define nicer please.
Smoother? Better cornering? Anything that makes a difference to my pokey trail riding habits? |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 6:46:52 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rat_Patrol: So, define nicer please. Smoother? Better cornering? Anything that makes a difference to my pokey trail riding habits? Smoother ride and handles better |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 6:49:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 67Firebird: We have lots of clay in the soil around here, so I got more open tread so it'll self-clean better. Sandy soil should sling out of there, so those should work. This is from 2017, when I replaced the original/2008 tires; https://i.postimg.cc/pdGwsTb2/2017-7-13-Rzr-Tires-2.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1t8L2QsD/2017-7-14-Rzr-Tires-Mounted-5.jpg Here's a recent pic; https://i.postimg.cc/tJP8RN1T/2023-2-19-Rzr.jpg Your shock springs have sagged a lot. Which is normal for that age. A set of spring spacers will bring it back to proper height….maybe even a little higher than stock. https://www.amazon.com/SuperATV-1-875-Spring-Spacers-Polaris/dp/B0753L9QBG |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 8:37:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColtRifle: Smoother ride and handles better Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColtRifle: Originally Posted By Rat_Patrol: So, define nicer please. Smoother? Better cornering? Anything that makes a difference to my pokey trail riding habits? Smoother ride and handles better I'm shopping for tires for the Yamaha Rhino I just bought from my brother, mainly to be used for my son. I may have to give him the OEM tires that came on my Pioneer and get myself some new radials 
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Posted: 3/5/2023 8:50:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColtRifle: Your shock springs have sagged a lot. Which is normal for that age. A set of spring spacers will bring it back to proper height .maybe even a little higher than stock. https://www.amazon.com/SuperATV-1-875-Spring-Spacers-Polaris/dp/B0753L9QBG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColtRifle: Originally Posted By 67Firebird: We have lots of clay in the soil around here, so I got more open tread so it'll self-clean better. Sandy soil should sling out of there, so those should work. This is from 2017, when I replaced the original/2008 tires; https://i.postimg.cc/pdGwsTb2/2017-7-13-Rzr-Tires-2.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/1t8L2QsD/2017-7-14-Rzr-Tires-Mounted-5.jpg Here's a recent pic; https://i.postimg.cc/tJP8RN1T/2023-2-19-Rzr.jpg Your shock springs have sagged a lot. Which is normal for that age. A set of spring spacers will bring it back to proper height .maybe even a little higher than stock. https://www.amazon.com/SuperATV-1-875-Spring-Spacers-Polaris/dp/B0753L9QBG There's some kind of adjustment on them, but I've never messed with it. Is that something different than what you're talking about? |
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Posted: 3/5/2023 9:55:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: Tjcj]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColtRifle: Your shock springs have sagged a lot. Which is normal for that age. A set of spring spacers will bring it back to proper height….maybe even a little higher than stock. https://www.amazon.com/SuperATV-1-875-Spring-Spacers-Polaris/dp/B0753L9QBG He has Sachs style springs these won't work with them . @67Firebird the adjusters you are seeing are to change the preload on the spring . @ Rat_Patrol look at the Sedona Coyotes or the Terrabites . Couple local guys use them around here and they seem to work pretty good |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 8:32:29 AM EST
[Last Edit: ColtRifle]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 67Firebird: There's some kind of adjustment on them, but I've never messed with it. Is that something different than what you're talking about? There is a spring adjustment on the shock that essentially does the same thing but not as much. Over time, the springs sag. Nothing unusual about it….just happens. Either replacing the entire shock/spring assembly ($$$$) or adding the spring spacer to add tension on the shocks. It lifts it back to where it should be or maybe even a little higher. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 8:35:13 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tjcj: He has Sachs style springs these won't work with them . @67Firebird the adjusters you are seeing are to change the preload on the spring . @ Rat_Patrol look at the Sedona Coyotes or the Terrabites . Couple local guys use them around here and they seem to work pretty good Incorrect. These will work just fine if he wants to remove the sag in his springs. If he doesn’t need or want any more ground clearance, then no changes needed. I own the exact same RZR and installed these on mine with zero issues. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 9:47:13 AM EST
[#16]
Thanks, guys. I'll look into it more, but haven't had any trouble. I have a small trail (here on our about 9 acres), and I drive it at up to 15-20mph. Sometimes I go out on the gravel road for a bit, and usually hit about 40mph, but that's only 100 yards or so.
Most of the trail looks like this;   Here's my little go-faster bit;  |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 1:01:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: ColtRifle]
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 67Firebird: Thanks, guys. I'll look into it more, but haven't had any trouble. I have a small trail (here on our about 9 acres), and I drive it at up to 15-20mph. Sometimes I go out on the gravel road for a bit, and usually hit about 40mph, but that's only 100 yards or so. Most of the trail looks like this; https://i.postimg.cc/cHz8xb99/2020-12-10-Rzr-on-Trail-4.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/vBv0csQJ/2021-11-10-Rzr-Blind-Moultrie-1.jpg Here's my little go-faster bit; https://i.postimg.cc/15S63r5f/2012-4-24-Copperhead-1.jpg If you only ride mild trails you’ll be fine. It’s only an issue if you want more ground clearance and a little stiffer ride. It’s an easy install. You don’t have to have a spring compressor as some people install them with nothing but ratchet straps but it does make for a much easier install. |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 1:30:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: Rat_Patrol]
[#18]
And now the other big question: My Pioneer has OEM 25x8r12 and 25x10r12. Do I step up to 26x9r12 and 26x11r12?
I can't see why not? I don't think I would annoy myself with the different size, but if I keep OEM, both my UTVs and my Sportsman would all take the same tire size. Different rims, same tires. They would all have new tires on them once I get this pair though. I don't mind the extra half inch of ground clearance, but again, what is 1/2" for trail riding? |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 2:11:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ColtRifle: Incorrect. These will work just fine if he wants to remove the sag in his springs. If he doesn’t need or want any more ground clearance, then no changes needed. I own the exact same RZR and installed these on mine with zero issues. I stand corrected . Thought they looked designed for Walker or Fox Shocks . |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 11:20:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tjcj: I stand corrected . Thought they looked designed for Walker or Fox Shocks . I'd love to have a set of Fox shocks on mine. It's crazy what a pair of shocks cost for a RZR (or any side by side for that matter). I did 4 Bilstein 5100 shocks on my F150 for under $500 (no labor costs...installed them myself). The cheapest I've found upgraded RZR shocks for is about $700 and the cost goes up from there. Fox shocks would be around $2000. Not doing that! https://www.ebay.com/itm/165969257095 Here's a pic from ebay of the spacers installed. You have to compress the spring, remove the collar, remove the spring, unscrew the eyelet on the top of the shock rod, then reinstall the spring with spacer, screw the eyelet back on, and then release the spring. They work fine but are still on old RZR shocks. I'm thinking about getting a set of these shocks. I've read good reviews and you can tighten the springs up easily to get however much lift you want. Lift kits for the RZR800 can be an issue because it's easy to get too much lift and then you damage your CV joints so if you really want to lift it, you have to upgrade the CV joints too. I just wanted a little more ground clearance so between the spring spacers and 27 inch tires (have wheel spacers as well), my RZR has probably 2 inches more ground clearance vs when I bought it. https://www.ebay.com/itm/112335241828 |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 11:29:54 AM EST
[Last Edit: ColtRifle]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rat_Patrol: And now the other big question: My Pioneer has OEM 25x8r12 and 25x10r12. Do I step up to 26x9r12 and 26x11r12? I can't see why not? I don't think I would annoy myself with the different size, but if I keep OEM, both my UTVs and my Sportsman would all take the same tire size. Different rims, same tires. They would all have new tires on them once I get this pair though. I don't mind the extra half inch of ground clearance, but again, what is 1/2" for trail riding? Can you go to 27 inch tires? As I mentioned above, I got about 2 inches of ground clearance between shock adjustment and going from 25-27 inch tires. I really like the extra ground clearance. It might not be a lot but it makes a difference where we ride. Personally, I recommend you go as tall as you can go with no or little modifications. If you can go with 26 inch tires, do that. If you can go with 27 inch tires, then do that. I doubt you'll be able to go much bigger than 27s without major mods. Even 27s might be too big. I don't know much about the Pioneer so not sure how much you can go up without modifications. |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 11:55:10 AM EST
[#22]
From what I read, you can go up to 27s with no mods, maybe slight rubbing at full flex and steer.
But people complain about power loss too |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 10:23:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: ColtRifle]
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Rat_Patrol: From what I read, you can go up to 27s with no mods, maybe slight rubbing at full flex and steer. But people complain about power loss too Again, no experience with the Honda but with my RZR, I didn't notice any issues with power loss going from 25 to 27. Technically there should be some but it's not enough to be noticeable in my case. |
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Posted: 3/18/2023 10:43:59 PM EST
[#24]
I ended up ordering these tires:
https://www.carlislebrandtires.com/our-products/product-detail/versa-trail/ In the ATR variant. Ordered from Amazon, because one of the reviews was they were no longer made in USA, despite being advertised as such, so easy returns and all. Went with 26" tires, 1" bigger than stock. |
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Posted: 3/23/2023 4:25:23 PM EST
[#25]
Arrived!
  
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Posted: 3/23/2023 4:27:56 PM EST
[#26]
I'll take more pics when I mount them
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Posted: 3/31/2023 6:26:32 PM EST
[#27]
I'm liking!!
 
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Posted: 3/31/2023 6:27:31 PM EST
[#28]
The tires are still aired up more than they will be, but I wanted to stretch them out a bit.
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Posted: 3/31/2023 8:22:53 PM EST
[#29]
Nice looking tires. Should ride more comfortably than the old ones.
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Posted: 4/2/2023 1:20:31 PM EST
[#30]
Very heavy, wet, melty snow wet just got. Tires kept me moving until I was completely high centered
 Can't go forward, will use the skid steer to get me out backwards. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 2:16:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: Rat_Patrol]
[#31]
Double tap
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Posted: 4/2/2023 4:15:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: Rat_Patrol]
[#32]
Used the power pole and a couple trees with the winch to turn myself around and self rescue
 ETA: OK, pic looks less impressive than real life. I was dragging the high centered chassis, and winching sideways, pushing super heavy, wet, sticky snow half up the doors. Once I got off being high centered, 4 wheel lock and those tires took me right out. I'm SO glad I got the 6500 pound winch instead of the "right" size. I'm going to swap out the factory metal hook at the end of the winch line and put a loop in it. My 1/2" soft shackles are too big. They technically work, but a PITA with my smaller winch line. |
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Posted: 4/2/2023 6:04:24 PM EST
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Airing down in snow is your friend. I run 10lbs of air in my General year round . In the snow I drop down to 5 or 6
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Posted: 5/16/2023 1:13:55 AM EST
[#34]
Bump for update in op.
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Posted: 5/24/2023 10:19:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: chumpmiester]
[#35]
Is that a Pioneer 700 or Pioneer 1000?
I don't have much experience with the 700 or 100 but do have a 2015 Pioneer 500. I am a member of the HondaSxS Club forum that covers all Honda UTVs. There is a wealth of information there. And the only time I have heard 27" tires causing a loss of power is mostly with the P500. I am still running the OEM tires on my 500 but want something different. I mostly drive around town (black top) and gravel roads with occasionally in fields. I will probably step up to 25" or 26" tires. |
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Posted: 5/24/2023 11:34:25 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chumpmiester: Is that a Pioneer 700 or Pioneer 1000? I don't have much experience with the 700 or 100 but do have a 2015 Pioneer 500. I am a member of the HondaSxS Club forum that covers all Honda UTVs. There is a wealth of information there. And the only time I have heard 27" tires causing a loss of power is mostly with the P500. I am still running the OEM tires on my 500 but want something different. I mostly drive around town (black top) and gravel roads with occasionally in fields. I will probably step up to 25" or 26" tires. 700 |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 4:44:35 PM EST
[#37]
Just got back from Spider Lake OHV park. Good time, but the entire park is technical and not a lazy ride through the woods.
Conditions were hills made of sand and rocks, plenty of opportunity to slip tires, but these Carlisle tires grabbed right onto the rocks and I had no wheel sleep ever despite some pretty steep trails. Still extremely happy with these tires. |
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