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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:29:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia was always going to win. Give it another month, those 1km a month gains will turn into 2km. It's a war of attrition, and Russia emptying prisons shows they can pull it off. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’m going to get in here quickly, it will soon be overrun by Russia Stronk morans. Russia was always going to win. Give it another month, those 1km a month gains will turn into 2km. It's a war of attrition, and Russia emptying prisons shows they can pull it off. 
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:35:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’m going to get in here quickly, it will soon be overrun by Russia Stronk morans. Russia was always going to win. Give it another month, those 1km a month gains will turn into 2km. It's a war of attrition, and Russia emptying prisons shows they can pull it off. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/vladimir-putin-laughing_zpsov82lsef_GIF-129.gif "I'm bleeding, making me the victor." —Wimp Lo |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:40:20 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:42:09 AM EDT
[#4]
I want to see what happens when on goes into Moscow, especially at the Kremlin
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Posted: 8/14/2022 9:55:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "I'm bleeding, making me the victor." —Wimp Lo well done |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 10:14:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My brother lived in mother Russia for two years. Nobody he talks to over there supports this war. It’s ruined their lives. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: By all accounts the Ukraine invasion or at least the current resuts of same, is not very popular IN Russia. Directly attacking the populace at THIS point might galvanize support for the war rather than allow its unpopularity to perhaps hasten a withdrawl. My brother lived in mother Russia for two years. Nobody he talks to over there supports this war. It’s ruined their lives. You do not need a war to ruin the lives of many people who do not support a government. Just look at the US itself and countries that adopted the socialist regime that the same gang "supporting Ukraine" is trying to impose here. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 10:22:07 AM EDT
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Quoted: Please show where classified info and equipment was left. @rossi Quoted: No. I’m not. I asked for direct evidence of the alleged, massive, widespread abandonment of equipment in Afghanistan. He didn’t show proof and so far neither have you. Who is selling them on the black market? @rossi Both topics have been discussed ad nauseam in other threads and plenty evidence showed. I'm not going there again just to satisfy the same distraction tactics that the likes of "your girl" used with her e-mail server, Benghazi, "foundation", and many others "wiped clean with a cloth", which show your real colors. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 3:51:42 PM EDT
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Keep in mind all those high value items have trackers, special trackers.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Destruction of the base by missiles. Atleast a dozen planes lost and a bunch more not repairable We have an ally who is willing to stay and fight and not run and your first move is to abandon them?  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Was there loss of planes or just a munitions plant? Destruction of the base by missiles. Atleast a dozen planes lost and a bunch more not repairable Quoted: Why don't we stay the fuck out of this shit? After our 20 years of bullshit wars we just can't fucking stop. We have an ally who is willing to stay and fight and not run and your first move is to abandon them? Oh ya, Ukraine is our ally...they stood right by us for all those years as a great place for jackoff US politicians to launder money. Yes, abandon them. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:22:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh ya, Ukraine is our ally...they stood right by us for all those years as a great place for jackoff US politicians to launder money. Yes, abandon them. You guys say that, but offer up zero proof. Words alone shouldn't make one believe it. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:43:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh ya, Ukraine is our ally...they stood right by us for all those years as a great place for jackoff US politicians to launder money. Yes, abandon them. Which politicians? Whose money? Did you not notice they showed up for GWOT? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:49:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lot of what they said they could do, was overhyped in hindsight. IMO the way the 1st Gulf war went should have been an inkling. Yes, it was arabs using monkey model Warsaw pact equipment. True. But, iraq was an experienced army. They were large. But, it just shows how much Soviet doctrine sucks. No one can seriously make the argument the Russians are using monkey model equipment against Ukraine. And Ukraine, with the help of western equipment and training is more than holding their own. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:52:16 PM EDT
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Ukraine is largely capable of holding its own with Soviet equipment, aside from not having nearly enough of it. So with the exception of some critical gaps like good guided missiles, a suitable amount of Soviet gear would have also done the job.
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:53:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia still has the ability to vaporize virtually every major US city in less than 30 minutes. That might not concern you, but it does me. But I guess I'm funny that way. The Soviets understand one thing and one thing only, We will bury you. That's the first rule. The second rule is, No matter how deep a hole you hide in, we will bury you. To prove that we are committed to Rules 1 and especially Rule 2, we must keep ready multiple ways of attacking ready to go to fullfill the requirements of both Rule 1 and especially Rule 2. After all the ICBM's are spent, we will send bombers over your smoking hole and bomb the holes you are hiding in. Or after all the ICBM's are spent, we will hit you with nukes launched from Subs. Or we will hit you with nukes delivered by fighters. The moment Putin threatened to use nukes, there was no choice but to kill his invaders a few miles from their border. This is necessary to prove that even with an Alzhimer's patient installed as president, we will ignore the threat of nuclear war. We are under that threat at all times. Being threatened with nuclear war doesn't matter. Proving you will nuke them back is what matters. Failing to do so, invites nuclear war. That's the rules. Same as always. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:53:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably because Ukraine doesn't want Kiev to get leveled, and the US/NATO are not keen on the idea of having to ride to the rescue of Zelenskyy. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:57:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really fucking worry about how much of the shit we are sending them is winding up the hands of people we really do not want having it.  You are going to literally shit your pants, when you learn about Afghanistan and Iraq. Recommend you Don’t research any of that. It’s not worth the worry and stress it’ll bring you.  After all, there’s nothing we can do about it. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 5:58:33 PM EDT
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I was asked once to write, for a class, the speech that a President would give after using nuclear weapons to respond to a nuclear attack. It started “Tonight it has been necessary to keep the dreadful promise that has provided security to the world for 70 years…”
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Posted: 8/14/2022 6:01:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And I'm telling you that cornering him is foolish. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 6:04:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: JFC rape and personal physical violence are a bit different than say, destroying the world as we know it. Do you seriously believe they are equivalent? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 6:10:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The reason we have quit winning wars. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 6:18:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So they're being treated like native Americans? LoL This is a great thread Not really. Please provide examples of international agreements signed by native Americans and russians. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 6:22:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Freedom for their country to exist. Yes. Freedom as in what we as Americans consider freedom? No. Don’t conflate the two. Please enlighten us with the differences besides I said so. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 6:23:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was asked once to write, for a class, the speech that a President would give after using nuclear weapons to respond to a nuclear attack. It started “Tonight it has been necessary to keep the dreadful promise that has provided security to the world for 70 years…” 
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Posted: 8/14/2022 6:24:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is a bigger shithole than Russia and has none of the things you listed. You’re a caricature in these threads, it’s hilarious. Where were all the goofball ra-ra threads when China took Hong Kong? Nowhere. And Hong Kong was more of an ally then that cesspool Ukraine even was or could be. Go to war for Ukraine, we shouldn’t fight a parking ticket for Ukraine. Who exactly is going to war for Ukraine? |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 6:29:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Both topics have been discussed ad nauseam in other threads and plenty evidence showed. I'm not going there again just to satisfy the same distraction tactics that the likes of "your girl" used with her e-mail server, Benghazi, "foundation", and many others "wiped clean with a cloth", which show your real colors. You are the one flailing around like an autist throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 7:14:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He isn't being cornered. He is being penned. The bear has to stay behind that wall. Don't every let the bear out of the cage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And I'm telling you that cornering him is foolish. I'm sure that's a matter of one's perspective. What those outside the cage see vs those within it. And even with the perspective you offer, my point still stands, don't reach inside the cage. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 7:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine is largely capable of holding its own with Soviet equipment, aside from not having nearly enough of it. So with the exception of some critical gaps like good guided missiles, a suitable amount of Soviet gear would have also done the job. I guess that says a lot about how lacking Soviet training and doctrine is. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 7:30:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess that says a lot about how lacking Soviet training and doctrine is. And their maintenance and sustainment program. |
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Posted: 8/14/2022 11:05:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm sure that's a matter of one's perspective. What those outside the cage see vs those within it. And even with the perspective you offer, my point still stands, don't reach inside the cage. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 7:06:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure which side is fighting to spread Sovietism. Really? It’s not hard @nu3gawhat  Russian T-72B3 main battle tank with Soviet flag during the Ukrainian invasion on 2022 |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 7:08:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: free elections? As in the opposition gets arrested? Sounds like the USA is taking a page from their playbook. Opposition is aiding Russia who seeks to conquer and subjugate the country. Is that bad? |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 7:10:57 AM EDT
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So when does the ruski bridge to crimea get dropped by HIMARS ?
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Posted: 8/15/2022 7:18:54 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sure which side is fighting to spread Sovietism. Really? It’s not hard @nu3gawhat  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGohRH92Q1EI guess you have to look at it deeper than that. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 7:34:47 AM EDT
[#34]
LGB!
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:11:30 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you have to look at it deeper than that. One side is practicing de-communization, one is preaching that it's good and glorious and to bring those days back. I choose to side with the folks practicing de-communization. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:28:55 AM EDT
[#36]
After much reflection, I've decided that I agree that weapons for Ukraine are a waste of money.
Apparently all we need to do is leave some matchbooks in every Russian ammo dump. https://ria.ru/20220816/vozgoranie-1809897272.html |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:45:58 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes, cold war rules do not allow a nuclear power to attack another nuclear power on their soil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm sure that's a matter of one's perspective. What those outside the cage see vs those within it. And even with the perspective you offer, my point still stands, don't reach inside the cage. And yet nuclear powers have engaged in armed combat on the soil of one or the other both during and after the Cold War (without nukes flying as a result). |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:06:20 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. I’m not. I asked for direct evidence of the alleged, massive, widespread abandonment of equipment in Afghanistan. He didn’t show proof and so far neither have you. Who is selling them on the black market? @rossi Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Are you pretending to be oblivious or you really have memory issues? No. I’m not. I asked for direct evidence of the alleged, massive, widespread abandonment of equipment in Afghanistan. He didn’t show proof and so far neither have you. Quoted: Hopefully the guys selling them in the black market keep a decent track of their customers, even though that might cause them to have a very short career and business. Who is selling them on the black market? @rossi So, all the news and even the threads in this forum covering both topics, with plenty evidence, were fake news and fiction. Like the ones pricing Ukraine's "dear leader". |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:09:13 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You guys say that, but offer up zero proof. Words alone shouldn't make one believe it. I don't get the money laundering thing. Bribes, payoffs, kickbacks I can believe that. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:10:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait, so it was the Afghan governments equipment. Hardly a cop out. There’s a difference you are unwilling to admit and face. We didn’t abandon it, we donated it to The Afghans. That’s not abandoned. Next. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: According to Pentagon sources, some $7 billion dollars' worth of "...aircraft, air-to-ground munitions, military vehicles, weapons, communications equipment and other materials " The DoD's cop out in this case is that material was ANA stuff and not ours, which is rather disingenuous. It's like saying the lend-lease M777s captured by the Russians are not ours but actually Ukrainian equipment so we didn't lose anything. Wait, so it was the Afghan governments equipment. Hardly a cop out. There’s a difference you are unwilling to admit and face. We didn’t abandon it, we donated it to The Afghans. That’s not abandoned. Next. Yeah... changing words' definitions (e.g. abandoning => donating) and History revision are very convenient, eh? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:12:07 AM EDT
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I'm not sure I understand this concept of "fair game" considering that Russia already pounded Ukraine's capital city including civilian targets early on in the war.
It would seem at this point that Ukraine can strike anything they want anywhere in Russia and not have overstepped the norms of the conflict that Russia established in the first place. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:16:42 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukrainians have been enjoying a lot of unprecedented freedoms recently in past years. Russia finds that unacceptable. Freedom of speech Freedom to vote Free elections Freedom of association. Freedom to not get mass murdered by a Soviet psychopath. I can go on. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Freedom for their country to exist. Yes. Freedom as in what we as Americans consider freedom? No. Don’t conflate the two. Ukrainians have been enjoying a lot of unprecedented freedoms recently in past years. Russia finds that unacceptable. Freedom of speech Freedom to vote Free elections Freedom of association. Freedom to not get mass murdered by a Soviet psychopath. I can go on. You mean "freedom" like in the US? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:18:52 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Keep in mind all those high value items have trackers, special trackers. And are they tracked by "top men"? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:24:03 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are the one flailing around like an autist throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Both topics have been discussed ad nauseam in other threads and plenty evidence showed. I'm not going there again just to satisfy the same distraction tactics that the likes of "your girl" used with her e-mail server, Benghazi, "foundation", and many others "wiped clean with a cloth", which show your real colors. You are the one flailing around like an autist throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks. You mean like the crew trying to defend the US spending what it does not have and "helping" Ukraine instead of fixing its own issues first? Projection is a bitch, isn't it? |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:33:22 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure I understand this concept of "fair game" considering that Russia already pounded Ukraine's capital city including civilian targets early on in the war. It would seem at this point that Ukraine can strike anything they want anywhere in Russia and not have overstepped the norms of the conflict that Russia established in the first place. The moment Russia invaded Ukraine's soil it gave that country the right to retaliate in kind. The problem poses a few questions such as: Can it? Would it? That "war" timing and how it has been acted looks weird, mostly if we look at the traditional way Russia does its "war thing". Of course, we do not know for sure what's happening there since all information getting here is censored and/or redacted and fabricated. So, anything could be happening there. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:08:36 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sure I understand this concept of "fair game" considering that Russia already pounded Ukraine's capital city including civilian targets early on in the war. It would seem at this point that Ukraine can strike anything they want anywhere in Russia and not have overstepped the norms of the conflict that Russia established in the first place. Would it be justified? Sure. Would it be wise? (at this point) I'm not so sure. Would it be wise for us to provide Ukraine with the long range capability to strike 'deep' inside rooshia AND encourage them to do it? No, I don't think it is. (At this point) With logistical help, Ukraine APPEARS to be 'holding their own' in a war that APPEARS to be very UNpopular IN rooshia. Bottom is that current public sentiment is currently in Ukraines favor which could lead to rooshia withdrawing earlier then they would be if Ukraine is forced to eject them (if possible). So DON'T do something that would galvanize rooshian popular support for the war and thus put a favorable outcome for Ukraine at risk. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 3:44:40 PM EDT
[#47]
I think at best Ukraine could benefit from targeting operational level targets nearer the border with low potential for collateral damage. That said, it’s unclear to me if Russia would admit it though or blame a smoking accident.
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Posted: 8/16/2022 8:49:17 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And yet nuclear powers have engaged in armed combat on the soil of one or the other both during and after the Cold War (without nukes flying as a result). |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:10:47 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, when, where, and how many casualties? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And yet nuclear powers have engaged in armed combat on the soil of one or the other both during and after the Cold War (without nukes flying as a result). Two right off of the top of my head include, first, the Sino-Soviet border war in 1969; hard to say what real casualties were given that both countries were communist. Second is the Kargil War between India and Pakistan. It took place along their borders in 1999 and resulted in thousands of casualties. It occurred along the disputed border in Kashmir and began when the Pakistanis crossed over into Indian territory. There have since been smaller combat actions between the two countries. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 10:18:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You mean like the crew trying to defend the US spending what it does not have and "helping" Ukraine instead of fixing its own issues first? Projection is a bitch, isn't it? Who is trying to fix our issues but is hamstrung by our support of Ukraine defending itself from unjust invasion? |
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