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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:30:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:32:27 PM EDT
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That seems like a waste of resources when Marines do it just fine and traditionally State wouldn't let them shoot anybody anyway.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:33:05 PM EDT
[#2]
Well if we have an embassy open we probably should at least protect it.
Maybe the real question is why are we operating an embassy in a active war zone and are special forces the best option. Maybe marines well dug in would be just as effective. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:42:45 PM EDT
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This meme was never more appropriate
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:43:57 PM EDT
[#4]
The Marine Embassy Security Group has an expeditionary force for this exact mission
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:45:21 PM EDT
[#5]
LOL - Embassy is an obvious cover for their real mission.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:48:07 PM EDT
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SOF does embassy evacuations. They don’t guard embassies. Are the DoS guys not planning on staying?
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:50:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:50:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SOF does embassy evacuations. They don’t guard embassies. Are the DoS guys not planning on staying? They have sent SSTs in the passed to diplomatic facilities that did not MSGs. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:52:28 PM EDT
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So now we are protecting embassies?
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:53:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well if we have an embassy open we probably should at least protect it. Maybe the real question is why are we operating an embassy in a active war zone and are special forces the best option. Maybe marines well dug in would be just as effective. Chris Stevens would agree. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:54:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we are protecting embassies? The Marine Corps has a unit, the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group, that’s only mission is to provide Embassy Security |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:55:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chris Stevens would agree. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well if we have an embassy open we probably should at least protect it. Maybe the real question is why are we operating an embassy in a active war zone and are special forces the best option. Maybe marines well dug in would be just as effective. Chris Stevens would agree.   |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:55:49 PM EDT
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Xhina knows that they have to be incremental in committing U.S. troops to their little proxy war.
Not all at once, just some sacrificial best of the best first. Then the American MSM-fueled masses will be all in. Their strat has been amazingly effective so far, both in testing U.S. field tech as well as depleting their two most significant opponents' resources. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we are protecting embassies? As a famous American once said: At this point what difference does it make. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:57:59 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL - Embassy is an obvious cover for their real mission. Cultural attaché? |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:59:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a famous American once said: At this point what difference does it make. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So now we are protecting embassies? As a famous American once said: At this point what difference does it make. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 1:59:05 PM EDT
[#17]
An attack on a U.S. embassy is considered an attack on U.S. soil. Opening up one in a war zone when accidents can and do happen could be seen as an attack on the U.S. and invoke article IV.
Seems stupid. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:00:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Marine Corps has a unit, the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group, that’s only mission is to provide Embassy Security Internal security, like a guy jumping the fence. A host nation is responsible for exterior security and diplomats in country. If the host nation cant do it, why are we there. This is just inviting direct conflict on the ground. I'm sure Europeans will watch with baited breath from the sidelines.... 
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:00:47 PM EDT
[#19]
Throwing high octane on the fire
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This meme was never more appropriate /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/ThatsBait-133.gif When the troops are injured or worse, killed then that will be this administration's excuse to enter the fight. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:01:56 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An attack on a U.S. embassy is considered an attack on U.S. soil. Opening up one in a war zone when accidents can and do happen could be seen as an attack on the U.S. and invoke article IV. Seems stupid. Are there other NATO countries' embassies operating there now? |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:04:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This meme was never more appropriate /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/ThatsBait-133.gif When the troops are injured or worse, killed then that will be this administration’s excuse to enter the fight. This right here. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:05:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are there other NATO countries' embassies operating there now? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An attack on a U.S. embassy is considered an attack on U.S. soil. Opening up one in a war zone when accidents can and do happen could be seen as an attack on the U.S. and invoke article IV. Seems stupid. Are there other NATO countries' embassies operating there now? War is the new thing! |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:06:26 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An attack on a U.S. embassy is considered an attack on U.S. soil. Opening up one in a war zone when accidents can and do happen could be seen as an attack on the U.S. and invoke article IV. Seems stupid. Anything to get us into WW3
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:07:48 PM EDT
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Not that spooks and SoF aren't already crawling around Ukraine, but this would give plausible deniability to a certain extent if SoF was known to be deployed to the area to guard US assets.
You know....just in case. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:07:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:08:16 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL - Embassy is an obvious cover for their real mission. Yeah, but that’s most every Embassy, so… |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:08:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An attack on a U.S. embassy is considered an attack on U.S. soil. Opening up one in a war zone when accidents can and do happen could be seen as an attack on the U.S. and invoke article IV. Seems stupid. It’s not though, that along with it being sovereign US soil is one of those myths that everyone knows that isn’t true. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:08:43 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL - Embassy is an obvious cover for their real mission. Exactly |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:09:44 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An attack on a U.S. embassy is considered an attack on U.S. soil. Opening up one in a war zone when accidents can and do happen could be seen as an attack on the U.S. and invoke article IV. Seems stupid. Intentional not stupid |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:12:10 PM EDT
[#31]
LOL..."sending" them.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:30:51 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we are protecting embassies? We have traditionally protected our embassies since Day One. Normally this duty fall into the hands of the Marines. Assigning what amounts to guard duty to Special Forces troops is a terrible waste of a valuable asset. OTOH, it sounds like someone is up to something and they want the embassy guard job to serve as a cover for something they want to hide from the public. "Look! We sent the SPECIAL FORCES to guard the embassy! America's best!" And every idiot that doesn't understand what the SF is trained to go is all agog. You can fool some of the people all of the time and all of the people some of the time BUY YA CAN'T fool Arfcom! |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:34:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That seems like a waste of resources when Marines do it just fine and traditionally State wouldn't let them shoot anybody anyway. Embassy security in dangerous places is usually the RSO, DSS if available for PSD (maybe DSS contractors), Marines for "at the embassy" and local security for the outer perimeter (host government or HN or TCN contractors). Put SOF in there and (1) it's a major Russian propaganda coup (they're there to fight, etc.) and (2) some good idea idiot will try to have them get stuck in and, Bob's your uncle, WWIII. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:43:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything to get us into WW3 World war 3? Whos going to help Russia? They have Belarus and Georgia. They are getting smashed already. Nobody is going to enter this war on their behalf to save their ass. I wouldnt read too much into it. Its more of a “fuck you, we’re not worried about Russia being able to penetrate Kyiv” move and a sign of support to the Ukraine more than anything, but lets all go Chicken Little over it anyways. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:49:11 PM EDT
[#35]
Right or wrong, any decision maker has to realize to openly send any kind of troops there for any reason may necessitate eventually backing them up with Minuteman and Trident missiles.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:49:18 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: An attack on a U.S. embassy is considered an attack on U.S. soil. Opening up one in a war zone when accidents can and do happen could be seen as an attack on the U.S. and invoke article IV. Seems stupid. It doesn't seem stupid when the Feds want to get the US into another war. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:54:15 PM EDT
[#37]
I don't see a problem as Marines typically guard all our embassies. They are on American soil not Ukrainian. |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:55:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:55:08 PM EDT
[#39]
The right thing to do is to stay out of it until a cease fire takes hold. So yeah, we're not gonna do that.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:55:16 PM EDT
[#40]
Special operations guys at the embassy? Do they even know which fork is for salad and which one is for dessert? Do they know a sherry glass from a wine glass? Sounds risky.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 2:58:44 PM EDT
[#41]
Embassies are the realm of the Marines. They have a special unit for beefed up security for embassies, let them handle it.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:16:35 PM EDT
[#42]
How many ways can " bad idea " be said .
COTUS . gd |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:19:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So now we are protecting embassies? Didn’t seem to matter in Afghanistan |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn't seem to matter in Afghanistan Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So now we are protecting embassies? Didn't seem to matter in Afghanistan |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:23:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: World war 3? Whos going to help Russia? They have Belarus and Georgia. They are getting smashed already. Nobody is going to enter this war on their behalf to save their ass. I wouldnt read too much into it. Its more of a “fuck you, we’re not worried about Russia being able to penetrate Kyiv” move and a sign of support to the Ukraine more than anything, but lets all go Chicken Little over it anyways. While i agree with you militarily, 2/3rd of the world are not supporting either countries in this war |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:28:27 PM EDT
[#46]
Is it 1963? First trainers.....Then troops.... next thing you know we're in an actual War.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:31:35 PM EDT
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like denzel says: That's how it starts.
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:36:29 PM EDT
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(Removed, CoC-4~guns762)
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:39:10 PM EDT
[#49]
That is the job of the Marines who can do it just fine. You don't use SOF to guard things.
...or is this some BS like they are going to send SOF troops to UKR to advise, but they are there under the guise of guarding the Embassy? |
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Posted: 5/22/2022 3:39:11 PM EDT
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Well, they have been pushing all the buttons they can to get Putin to take it to the next level, which involves him taking the fight outside Ukraine or using 'less conventional' means... and it hasn't worked. maybe this will.
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