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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:29:43 PM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So, same as it always was? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is stopping them from continuing to Tard Joust with the Commies? Getting blamed for the whole thing? So, same as it always was? Something like that. The second they step up antifa will be the good guys. Besides why would they want to fight for FJBs Amerika? |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:30:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: President Trump is a Never_Trumper to 30% of GD.. of which the OP is one of the biggest. 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:30:14 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Wait until they are listed as a domestic terrorist group by the feds. Who? Us (arf) or the Proud Boys? Both? 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:30:29 PM EDT
[#4]
Trump is not your president anymore OP.
You can move on and heal now. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:32:45 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost definitely, but my understanding is he isn't really running the show any longer, and hasn't for some time. Probably why they have a good public speaker who does media appearances running the show now, instead of a weirdo going on about how not masturbating makes them powerful warriors, lol. He doesn’t need to be involved any more, notice he stepped out with out getting completely canceled? They are kind of now just a violent foil for Antifa to beat against. If you understand the opposition, you understand that non-defensive violence is what they seek in confrontation because is justifies and galvanizes the leftist’s movement, especially since they control the press and therefore the public perception. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:36:00 PM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Who? Us (arf) or the Proud Boys? Both? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This. Wait until they are listed as a domestic terrorist group by the feds. Who? Us (arf) or the Proud Boys? Both? 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:36:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you believe Erin Smith is a useful idiot? The gray bar you're reaponding to thinks everything is a joke and looks forward to yukking it up in the gulag...probably as a guard, still laughing at the silly prisoners for thinking something as absurd as a gulag might happen. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:37:07 PM EDT
[#8]
This what happens when you take political rhetoric at face value. Lotta that going on lately.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:37:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BS He had 4 years and didnt do shit. Ok, judges. Great. He didnt fire Sessions for 1.5 years He didnt fire comey fast enough. He didnt fire Mueller He kept Wray He kept Haspal He let Bar and Durham hide the FBI treason He didnt order Hillary investigated. No one was arrested He didnt pardon anyone of worth He didnt fire Fauci He didnt declassify any documents of worth He was a waste of time that gave us Xiden. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:41:08 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you believe Erin Smith is a useful idiot? I value EE’s input and experience greatly and I even recommend her Contextual Insurgent Project podcasts. I don’t question her knowledge of individuals within the PB movemant or her faith in them but I do question their founding background and their actual usefulness in the fight only because I believe they’re meant to lose the propaganda battle, kinda “built to spill” as it were, and as tads has pointed out this is 4G warfare, perception and popular support are everything. This is a learn as you go thing. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:45:39 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It is almost as if these "researchers" get all their data points from fake news op-eds instead of calling up members of the group and actually talking with them. Exactly, "Members of the far-right group, who were among Donald Trump’s staunchest fans" was the opinion the fake news wanted those with limited thought process to have. Seems to have worked. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:46:15 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: +1 Because of Trumps followers, Trump still has plenty of political capital that can be used to criticize and affect policy. I also absolutely feel betrayed by his response to the capitol protest, and the complete bending of the knee in the end and lack of official concern for justice for Ashli. But openly undermining him is probably not in our best interest, nor is giving the left the opportunity to say "See! He's scum." We should probably just remember that a "conservative" Populist is just a Populist that has chosen conservatism as a delivery vehicle. This. Trump failed on some important points, and the Proud Boys have their problems, but at the end of the day they're just two different viewpoints in a pro-America coalition containing people with different priorities and baggage. Nobody is perfect, not even Miami_JBT. The last thing we need is for everyone to turn on each other and start condemning each other in hostile terms over mere failures and misunderstandings. When our fighters fight each other, everyone loses. Gently correct people when necessary, such as when, "nevertheless, Qtards persisted." Debate strategy. Condemn the actual enemies of America and people that refuse to work with us, but remember that we all need each other, and we're all we've got in a world falling to totalitarian globalist control. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:46:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What use were they of Trump's? none, they were useful to the MSM |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:48:12 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Obsessed much OP? Starting to look like a roo. TDS can be terminal in some cases. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:51:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On another note, I wonder if the dumbass's new Cabinet will have to wear large name tags in order for him to "know" who he is talking to?  For some reason I just had an image of those morning meetings they have in SprawlMart sometimes, the ones where there's a large group of employees singing, clapping, and jumping up and down.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 12:56:34 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As well they should have been, and yes, Trump asked people to come. Yes, some of this is true. Doesn't change the fact that people's voices weren't being heard, and they needed to be. You're saying it was a bad thing? I'm saying it wasn't. Didn't say they were listening to Trump. I'm saying he asked folks to be there, asked folks to take back their country and their leadership for over a month, made sure people knew their voices weren't being heard. And then walked away when they did something about it. Thing is Trump never gave any indication, to me at least, that he was ever advocating violence as what played out at the capital. Or that he ever intended some coup with the support of his supporters or even say the military. I got no indications of any of that from all his words and actions over the last year plus. Seems to be that the only ones who thought he did were the loony left screaming about him being a tin pot dictator and QAnon and the proud boys..... can anyone point to me where it was clear or is it all just insinuation from people that “didn’t have their voices heard.” |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:46:56 PM EDT
[#17]
One can't get around the fact, that Trump was the most eloquent speakers of all time.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 1:50:08 PM EDT
[#18]
I don't blame Trump. He was up against a lot. Fought like a mule. But the people of this country were not for him - I'm talking about major corporations not just the average citizen.
I think Jan 6 was a mistake. He miscalculated. It blew up in his face. He felt bad for those who died. It took the fight out of him. He never called for violence, never meant for violence. But it happened. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:25:05 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm just here to watch all the confirmation bias. I'm sure the facts as reported in this article are as pure and true as the first snow. ETA: I mean its the NT times, they'd never twist and spin things to try and divide the right. ^this. Kevv gets it. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:27:35 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: “To all demoralized Trump supporters: There is hope,” read one message in a Proud Boys Telegram channel on Wednesday. “There is an alternative. Abandon the GOP and the Dems.” Sounds like Antifa. Maybe the end of the Kabuki theater on the west coast. Choose your flavor of socialism. IF there's one thing they all seem to have in common, it is that. Fuck the GOP and Dems. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:28:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:29:40 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Useful idiots coming to the realization they're now useless. This, and trump was a huge disappointment. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:29:44 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He asked people to be there for their voices to be heard. They weren't being heard. They made them heard, as they should have. What happened at the capital was not wrong, and you will never convince me it was. When they made their voices heard, he abandoned them. This wasn't about him, but he was the victim of the fraud, as well as folks figurehead. After months and months of asking for peoples support, he threw them to the wolves. ETA: As did the rest of the Republican establishment. You have Antifa rioting right now in Portland, and Seattle. They've ALREADY caused more damage then the whole of the capital protest. And frankly...they are putting actions to their words at least. Do you see any recriminations yet? Nah... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fair warning: I didn't read the article, just the headline. I refuse to read leftist news anymore. But, the headline isn't wrong. Trump abandoned those Patriots at the capital, including whatever Proud Boys were there. He called for folks to be there, and then turned his back, slunk away, and then denounced them. I didn't hear a fucking word from him about Ashli either. He did not tell people to storm the Capitol and break windows. He asked people to be there for their voices to be heard. They weren't being heard. They made them heard, as they should have. What happened at the capital was not wrong, and you will never convince me it was. When they made their voices heard, he abandoned them. This wasn't about him, but he was the victim of the fraud, as well as folks figurehead. After months and months of asking for peoples support, he threw them to the wolves. ETA: As did the rest of the Republican establishment. You have Antifa rioting right now in Portland, and Seattle. They've ALREADY caused more damage then the whole of the capital protest. And frankly...they are putting actions to their words at least. Do you see any recriminations yet? Nah... There is no way Trump was going to condone what happened at the Capitol. People are right to be angry but if you take a shot at the king you better not miss. They missed. Hell, they didn’t even have a real objective. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:31:29 PM EDT
[#24]
Not So Proud Boys
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:31:35 PM EDT
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Just further evidence to the point that this country's government is loosing its hold on it citizens. From both sides, this country is going down the path to becoming ungovernable. Whos to blame? Mainly the media, for not even pretending to present an unbiased narrative. They sucked FJB off all day long yesterday...
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fair warning: I didn't read the article, just the headline. I refuse to read leftist news anymore. But, the headline isn't wrong. Trump abandoned those Patriots at the capital, including whatever Proud Boys were there. He called for folks to be there, and then turned his back, slunk away, and then denounced them. I didn't hear a fucking word from him about Ashli either. Yeah because he has always been a grifter. Go read the books his family wrote about him and his associates. Anyone that had been paying attention knew this was coming., He went GOLFING after the supposed election fraud,. the left wing was continually telling us that the president was just using the election fraud to get more donations. Sure enough, he got millions in donations and was out golfing. When I saw he was out golfing instead of fighting for the election I knew it was over. He didn't give 2 shits about the election fraud just like he didn't care about the capital rioters. He didn't pardon any of them, mention ashli etc. I'll say this much. Everyone who knew trump personally has said that once he gets what he wants, he throws you to the curb like trash. He did the same thing with Rudy Guiliani, not paying his legal fees after the lawsuits were tossed out. Trump has always been a grifter and people who idolized him like a god have to look themselves in the mirror and realize the truth sometime. 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:48:35 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah because he has always been a grifter. Go read the books his family wrote about him and his associates. Anyone that had been paying attention knew this was coming., He went GOLFING after the supposed election fraud,. the left wing was continually telling us that the president was just using the election fraud to get more donations. Sure enough, he got millions in donations and was out golfing. When I saw he was out golfing instead of fighting for the election I knew it was over. He didn't give 2 shits about the election fraud just like he didn't care about the capital rioters. He didn't pardon any of them, mention ashli etc. I'll say this much. Everyone who knew trump personally has said that once he gets what he wants, he throws you to the curb like trash. He did the same thing with Rudy Guiliani, not paying his legal fees after the lawsuits were tossed out. Trump has always been a grifter and people who idolized him like a god have to look themselves in the mirror and realize the truth sometime. https://i.ibb.co/6bPSkV9/1610947001549.gif  
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:56:03 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, and posted to the forum by the biggest never-trumper and liberal infiltrator on this site. He's absolutely giddy that his boy "won". He took a hiatus from posting when he was outed but it didn't last nearly as long as many of us hoped. I hear now that he's infiltrated a pro-gun group down in Florida. If he puts 25% of the effort he expended here trying to convince people not to vote for Trump, he'll be very successful in sabotaging that organization, if they're even for real. It's amazing how many people are fooled by this guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Holy propaganda. Yep. But just look at the posts here, people eat it up. Yeah, and posted to the forum by the biggest never-trumper and liberal infiltrator on this site. He's absolutely giddy that his boy "won". He took a hiatus from posting when he was outed but it didn't last nearly as long as many of us hoped. I hear now that he's infiltrated a pro-gun group down in Florida. If he puts 25% of the effort he expended here trying to convince people not to vote for Trump, he'll be very successful in sabotaging that organization, if they're even for real. It's amazing how many people are fooled by this guy. The man is an absolute asset to Floridians when it comes to protecting and promoting our right to bear arms. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 2:57:30 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The problem with flying the Jolly Roger is when your ship is sunk and your clapped in chains you're on your own. Anyone with a legit position is going to disavow you even if they were secretly cheering you on Aimless gets it. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:03:46 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: LOL..... I knew this was going to happen.  The Who - Won't Get Fooled Again |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:11:49 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy propaganda. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:19:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Any coincidence with their move to wearing black and yellow, the color of the anarcho-capitalist flag?
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:22:00 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean are they really that wrong? If the leader of your perceived group says that an election was stolen, our republic is being threatened, and to come to Washington to stop the steal and that things will be wild and then he throws you under the bus, disappears from public view and then condemns your presence and actions I think they have a valid point. Then again I don’t believe in peace and unity with commies. This right here. Monica! |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:26:31 PM EDT
[#34]
Jesus, how much longer is this TDS going to go on?
FWIW, TLDR. I saw NYT and .
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:27:42 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Antifa, Proud Boys.. it's the same fringe fighters with a decent portion of alphabet agencies mixed in. Pretty sad.. Reports of Antifers in MAGA drag actually being the spear point of the violence at the capitol leads me to wonder if these are Antifers in Proud drag. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:31:58 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I think a lot of what he says here is hot garbage. And I am have told him so. But he is absolutely legit when it comes to the Second Amendment. He has been fighting for us in Tallahassee for a long time, and, in my opinion, in ways that seriously threatened his livelihood at the time. The man is an absolute asset to Floridians when it comes to protecting and promoting our right to bear arms. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Holy propaganda. Yep. But just look at the posts here, people eat it up. Yeah, and posted to the forum by the biggest never-trumper and liberal infiltrator on this site. He's absolutely giddy that his boy "won". He took a hiatus from posting when he was outed but it didn't last nearly as long as many of us hoped. I hear now that he's infiltrated a pro-gun group down in Florida. If he puts 25% of the effort he expended here trying to convince people not to vote for Trump, he'll be very successful in sabotaging that organization, if they're even for real. It's amazing how many people are fooled by this guy. The man is an absolute asset to Floridians when it comes to protecting and promoting our right to bear arms. But he says, mean things about Trump. 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 3:32:56 PM EDT
[#37]
In our new war, purity tests on all sides will become the norm.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:27:20 PM EDT
[#38]
Sounds like disinformation to further demoralize his base
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:31:48 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah because he has always been a grifter. Go read the books his family wrote about him and his associates. Anyone that had been paying attention knew this was coming., He went GOLFING after the supposed election fraud,. the left wing was continually telling us that the president was just using the election fraud to get more donations. Sure enough, he got millions in donations and was out golfing. When I saw he was out golfing instead of fighting for the election I knew it was over. He didn't give 2 shits about the election fraud just like he didn't care about the capital rioters. He didn't pardon any of them, mention ashli etc. I'll say this much. Everyone who knew trump personally has said that once he gets what he wants, he throws you to the curb like trash. He did the same thing with Rudy Guiliani, not paying his legal fees after the lawsuits were tossed out. Trump has always been a grifter and people who idolized him like a god have to look themselves in the mirror and realize the truth sometime. https://i.ibb.co/6bPSkV9/1610947001549.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fair warning: I didn't read the article, just the headline. I refuse to read leftist news anymore. But, the headline isn't wrong. Trump abandoned those Patriots at the capital, including whatever Proud Boys were there. He called for folks to be there, and then turned his back, slunk away, and then denounced them. I didn't hear a fucking word from him about Ashli either. Yeah because he has always been a grifter. Go read the books his family wrote about him and his associates. Anyone that had been paying attention knew this was coming., He went GOLFING after the supposed election fraud,. the left wing was continually telling us that the president was just using the election fraud to get more donations. Sure enough, he got millions in donations and was out golfing. When I saw he was out golfing instead of fighting for the election I knew it was over. He didn't give 2 shits about the election fraud just like he didn't care about the capital rioters. He didn't pardon any of them, mention ashli etc. I'll say this much. Everyone who knew trump personally has said that once he gets what he wants, he throws you to the curb like trash. He did the same thing with Rudy Guiliani, not paying his legal fees after the lawsuits were tossed out. Trump has always been a grifter and people who idolized him like a god have to look themselves in the mirror and realize the truth sometime. https://i.ibb.co/6bPSkV9/1610947001549.gif 
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:36:50 PM EDT
[#40]
Trump is gone, but the TDS isn't, and from the NYT's lol. Neocon trash.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:37:34 PM EDT
[#41]
Fuck Trump I hope sleepy Joe puts his ass in jail after all the pardons he did.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:39:56 PM EDT
[#42]
Not going to believe any story (propaganda) put out by the media.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:58:36 PM EDT
[#43]
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Posted: 1/21/2021 4:59:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @RDak, that is absolutely horrifying. I'm now going to have nightmares. Quote HistoryQuoted: @RDak, that is absolutely horrifying. I'm now going to have nightmares.
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:01:01 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Useful idiots coming to the realization they're now useless. You are what Lenin called "useful". |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:07:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost definitely, but my understanding is he isn't really running the show any longer, and hasn't for some time. Probably why they have a good public speaker who does media appearances running the show now, instead of a weirdo going on about how not masturbating makes them powerful warriors, lol. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Knowing Gavin McInnes origins, I’ve always thought them to be a polarizing controlled opposition, not that their membership would know this. Almost definitely, but my understanding is he isn't really running the show any longer, and hasn't for some time. Probably why they have a good public speaker who does media appearances running the show now, instead of a weirdo going on about how not masturbating makes them powerful warriors, lol. Likely true about Gavin, but his creation has a life of it's own. Likely why he left. PB have (or had) a useful role in defending conservative speech in leftist areas where Antifa was allowed to use low level street violence to shut it down. The problem being that leftist administration are willing to allow violence against their political opposition, at least if it is contained to a deniable level. The PB model would have to change if the violence is escalated, and also fails if they are sufficiently demonized the state can sweep them up. But at least they have some level of organization and communication. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:12:13 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I value EE’s input and experience greatly and I even recommend her Contextual Insurgent Project podcasts. I don’t question her knowledge of individuals within the PB movemant or her faith in them but I do question their founding background and their actual usefulness in the fight only because I believe they’re meant to lose the propaganda battle, kinda “built to spill” as it were, and as tads has pointed out this is 4G warfare, perception and popular support are everything. This is a learn as you go thing. They seem to be losing the propaganda was because the media is against them, as well as the tech giants. A group with an Afro-Cuban leader who is well spoken and wearing polo shirts has a good start but it doesn't overcome the media. They were needed to counter Antifa shutting down conservative speech in certain locations. I'm thinking the nature of the fight is shifting. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:13:56 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Trump failed on some important points, and the Proud Boys have their problems, but at the end of the day they're just two different viewpoints in a pro-America coalition containing people with different priorities and baggage. Nobody is perfect, not even Miami_JBT. The last thing we need is for everyone to turn on each other and start condemning each other in hostile terms over mere failures and misunderstandings. When our fighters fight each other, everyone loses. Gently correct people when necessary, such as when, "nevertheless, Qtards persisted." Debate strategy. Condemn the actual enemies of America and people that refuse to work with us, but remember that we all need each other, and we're all we've got in a world falling to totalitarian globalist control. Well put. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 5:36:50 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thing is Trump never gave any indication, to me at least, that he was ever advocating violence as what played out at the capital. Or that he ever intended some coup with the support of his supporters or even say the military. I got no indications of any of that from all his words and actions over the last year plus. Seems to be that the only ones who thought he did were the loony left screaming about him being a tin pot dictator and QAnon and the proud boys..... can anyone point to me where it was clear or is it all just insinuation from people that “didn’t have their voices heard.” And? People are not angry that Trump had his job stolen from him, they are angry that they had their votes stolen from them. Trump can choose not to care about that job, that's his call, but he doesn't have the option to blow off those stolen votes. And if shattering the foundation upon which our entire culture is based, and stealing the votes of literally tens of millions of voters, isn't enough to justify civil unrest then NOTHING EVER WILL BE. And yet, no real civil unrest even happened. It damn well should have, but it didn't. None the less every member of both parties still completely lost their shit, with Trump right along with them denouncing these patriots like they had just lynched Nancy Pelosi rather than taking selfies at her abandoned desk. I though Trump was pretty awesome up until this. I had some complaints, thought he managed some things poorly, but I felt he was still the greatest of my lifetime. I thought he was an ally who shared my love of this country and our culture. But he betrayed every Patriot who went to Washington (and those, like me, who couldn't make it). Trump stabbed all of us in the back. The ONLY adult member of that family worth a fuck is Melania. |
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Posted: 1/21/2021 7:29:20 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuck Trump I hope sleepy Joe puts his ass in jail after all the pardons he did. But not the Clintons, or the corrupt members of the alphabet groups? Odd. |
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