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Posted: 5/17/2020 5:33:31 PM EDT
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Grand Designs
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Posted: 5/17/2020 5:42:21 PM EDT
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Outdoors RV and Arctic Fox are top 4 season brands. A bit on the expensive side.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 5:45:45 PM EDT
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What year make model truck do you have
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Posted: 5/17/2020 5:48:40 PM EDT
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In normal years you can get 30%+ of MSRP, just an FYI.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 5:50:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TRRiverdude: Outdoors RV and Arctic Fox are top 4 season brands. A bit on the expensive side. QFT. But, TOW VEHICLE? |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 5:50:02 PM EDT
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Tagged for topic of interest to me.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 5:58:25 PM EDT
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You talking New or Used?
Which brand has the best waterproof Roof? Tagged for info. Where should I be looking to see the deep discounts? |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:00:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CBass123: Tagged for topic of interest to me. Tow vehicle with be an F350 1 Ton Crew Cab long bed. I fully rebuilt the engine a couple years ago (stage 2 cams, new heads, egr delete, overboard, studded, ect...). New transmission, 19.5 wheels with semi truck tires. Non-dually. I use the truck daily and don't see a problem towing anything around 34 ft and smaller. So far, it seems like for the money involved, the build quality of the 32-37 ft campers is much higher than for the shorter campers. I would probably prefer a 25ft -29ft just for mobility, but for just a little more money, the larger campers seem to be built a lot better and have a lot more amenities. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:05:30 PM EDT
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Buy used, let someone else suffer depreciation.
Then if you dont enjoy it and decide to sell you arent losing your ass. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:10:44 PM EDT
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I have a Jayco Eagle, but I also like the Grand Design and Arctic Fox.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:22:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fusemaster: I have a Jayco Eagle, but I also like the Grand Design and Arctic Fox. We just bought a 2021 Grand Design Solitude 310GK-R. It is great and the perfect floor plan for us. I doubt you would get any more than 30% off of any of the popular floor plans. Also the factories have been shut down for many weeks and the supply and variety are drying up. OP look at the capacity stickers in your truck's door jams and don't buy anything with tongue weight or total weight more than your truck's capacity. make sure to factor driver and passenger weights as well as cargo weight. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:22:45 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:50:45 PM EDT
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I build (Group Leader - Final) Dutchmen Voltage Toy Haulers & the new Dutchmen Yukon fifth wheels. I personally own a 2005 Dutchmen Classic 32’ bunkhouse fifth wheel. I bought it used off the original owner that had it stored indoors it’s whole life and was only used a handful of times until I picked it up about 5 years ago.
I’ve been in the industry for 17 years and have been either at Voltage/Yukon(new) or Keystone Cougar lines. IMO, it depends what your looking to do when camping. I would find the floor plan that you like and start from there. Just about all the manufacturers make similar floor plans and different tiers of campers (entry/mid/luxury). The best value is in a mid level camper. I would either look in that class and/or find a very lightly used model. The benefits of used are the depreciation and the previous owners should have the bugs worked out. Most new campers will have some minor issues after purchase that need addressed. You seem handy and can probably fix most things without relying on a dealer. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What year make model truck do you have |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:56:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChadG: Buy used, let someone else suffer depreciation. Then if you dont enjoy it and decide to sell you arent losing your ass. This. As for a brand, Holiday Rambler. We had a 37ft Presidential. That thing has more storage in it than any other one we looked at. They're also better insulated. Depending on your budget, they have been making the upper area a kitchen or living room, with the sleeping quarters at the rear. Damn nice layout. We would have bought one of those, but they were too new and used wasn't an option, so spending $70k just to have it drop to $30k in the first week wasn't an option. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 6:58:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ChadG: Buy used, let someone else suffer depreciation. Then if you dont enjoy it and decide to sell you arent losing your ass. Make sure you know what your buying. I bought a used fifth wheel and ended up putting 2k in repairs in it and alot of time and aggravation. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 7:00:53 PM EDT
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A lot of people who live in them use these:
http://www.drvsuites.com/ I live in mine, but it is just a Jayco. I like it though. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 7:10:23 PM EDT
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Arctic Fox would be the 5th wheel I suggest for 4 season. And your truck sounds like it will work just fine for towing as long as you don't have it lifted too high.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 7:10:28 PM EDT
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We bought a Palomino Columbus Compass. It is well made. The floor plan was the deciding factor. Look for last year models or left overs from previous years. You will find a bigger price break. We bought ours because my son moved south and we would visit him for a month at a time.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 7:31:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixgunner45: Tow vehicle with be an F350 1 Ton Crew Cab long bed. I fully rebuilt the engine a couple years ago (stage 2 cams, new heads, egr delete, overboard, studded, ect...). New transmission, 19.5 wheels with semi truck tires. Non-dually. I use the truck daily and don't see a problem towing anything around 34 ft and smaller. So far, it seems like for the money involved, the build quality of the 32-37 ft campers is much higher than for the shorter campers. I would probably prefer a 25ft -29ft just for mobility, but for just a little more money, the larger campers seem to be built a lot better and have a lot more amenities. I have a 36ft Patio Hauler with a ~12ft living room slide out and 10ft garage (separated by a wall/door) works great in the desert but it’s a PITA in the mountains/trees. If I did it over again I’d go shorter length with multiple slide outs. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 7:42:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By icex: Make sure you know what your buying. I bought a used fifth wheel and ended up putting 2k in repairs in it and alot of time and aggravation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By icex: Originally Posted By ChadG: Buy used, let someone else suffer depreciation. Then if you dont enjoy it and decide to sell you arent losing your ass. Make sure you know what your buying. I bought a used fifth wheel and ended up putting 2k in repairs in it and alot of time and aggravation. Exactly, many people by 5th wheels to live in and pull them 7 to 12 thousand miles a year or more. there is a big difference in one that was used monthly with a few hundred miles a month and one that was bounced on crappy roads for thousands of miles a month |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 8:10:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Banditman: Exactly, many people by 5th wheels to live in and pull them 7 to 12 thousand miles a year or more. there is a big difference in one that was used monthly with a few hundred miles a month and one that was bounced on crappy roads for thousands of miles a month That is one reason I think I want to buy new. Also, with the discounts available, I don't think I'd be saving much money buying used. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 8:33:01 PM EDT
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I bought a new keystone last year bumper pull but its nice. Dont care much for the warranty because it sucks anyways and doesn't cover anything. Youll basically have to fix everything any anything yourself anyways. None of them are truly 4 season I dont think. Arctic fox is but if it gets cold enough stuff will freeze. Any of them can be 4 season if you want to leave it parked and occupied in the winter, you just put skirting up and run a space heater underneath. Other than that anything that you want to know PM me and I can help you out. I researched a million hours before I bought it. I love it, family loves it and we use the shit out of it so dont let naysayers lead you away.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 8:33:02 PM EDT
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Look at Mid levels in the 60 - 80k range.
Most of them have about the same crappy build quality. Most of the components are the same, water heaters, pumps, furnace and A/C, crappy Furion tv's, plastic faucets, Chinese 'bomb' tires, and Lippert frames welded by a welding school dropout. So, just find one that has a floor plan you like, and live with it long enough to figure out the shortcomings, so you'll know what to buy next time. OH, and the most important thing, make sure the dealership has a great service department; that means they have competent service techs and can do the work in a timely manner, because you are at their beck and call to get warranty work done. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 8:51:06 PM EDT
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I had two fifth wheels in my lifetime. We now have a motorhome. FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR better off.
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Posted: 5/17/2020 8:57:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sixgunner45: That is one reason I think I want to buy new. Also, with the discounts available, I don't think I'd be saving much money buying used. There is so much variety among them, if you're at all picky its tough to even find a good one used. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 9:08:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ACEB36TC: I had two fifth wheels in my lifetime. We now have a motorhome. FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR better off. Why? I highly disagree with your opinion You still have to tow a vehicle behind your motor home unless you go nowhere or want to break camp every time you want to go somewhere. It is probably much more expensive in the long run. You have only one use for it unlike having a truck and travel trailer rig. You can use the truck for other duties when you are not towing the trailer. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 9:18:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? I highly disagree with your opinion You still have to tow a vehicle behind your motor home unless you go nowhere or want to break camp every time you want to go somewhere. It is probably much more expensive in the long run. You have only one use for it unlike having a truck and travel trailer rig. You can use the truck for other duties when you are not towing the trailer. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 9:19:27 PM EDT
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They depreciate worse than almost anything. Whatever you do don't finance it for more than a few years otherwise you'll always be upside down on the loan.
From the people I know that have big 5er's after a couple/few years they start to become maintenance intensive, will nickle and dime you to death, there will always be something that needs to be fixed. |
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Posted: 5/17/2020 9:22:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nootropics: Thats all true but a motorhome you can sleep in the back while the other person drives. Thats priceless. I disagree, my wife can sleep in the passenger seat if needed, but that is rare. |
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Posted: 6/1/2020 9:27:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree, my wife can sleep in the passenger seat if needed, but that is rare. Quote HistoryQuoted: Originally Posted By Nootropics: Thats all true but a motorhome you can sleep in the back while the other person drives. Thats priceless. I disagree, my wife can sleep in the passenger seat if needed, but that is rare. The build quality on RVs with engines is a little better due to lemon laws. They don't apply to engineless RVs. |
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Posted: 6/1/2020 9:29:02 PM EDT
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Or you could choose not to clog your neighborhood and roadways with a massive trailer.
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Posted: 6/1/2020 9:44:13 PM EDT
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Whatever you buy change the tires to "g" rated or better right off the bat.
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Posted: 6/1/2020 9:56:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or you could choose not to clog your neighborhood and roadways with a massive trailer. Feel free to elaborate. Or is this a “stop liking what I don’t like” situation? |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 5:39:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or you could choose not to clog your neighborhood and roadways with a massive trailer.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:02:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The build quality on RVs with engines is a little better due to lemon laws. They don't apply to engineless RVs. My Solitude is built very well and my Ram truck is far more dependable. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:05:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or you could choose not to clog your neighborhood and roadways with a massive trailer. A "stay out of the left lane" comment probably would have been a better ice breaker in an RV thread. Supposedly RV sales are booming as people want to sleep in their own germs more than someone else's this year. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:09:15 PM EDT
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The lower-end range of a new 5th wheel camper is 40k
That's a lot of plane ticket / holiday resort / OCONUS travel money. Spend your money where you spend your time. The vast majority of Campers sit rotting for eons, it's to the point a moldy trailer/boat sitting unused is part of the middle-class lifestyle. Don't be baited ETA: You want to buy land how far would that trailer money go to securing the perfect property jesus bro 
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:15:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The lower-end range of a new 5th wheel camper is 40k That's a lot of plane ticket / holiday resort / OCONUS travel money. Spend your money where you spend your time. The vast majority of Campers sit rotting for eons, it's to the point a moldy trailer/boat sitting unused is part of the middle-class lifestyle. Don't be baited ETA: You want to buy land how far would that trailer money go to securing the perfect property jesus bro |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:18:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was something a friend once mentioned. Drive by any storage facility on a "holiday" weekend and it's still full of nearly new campers. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The lower-end range of a new 5th wheel camper is 40k That's a lot of plane ticket / holiday resort / OCONUS travel money. Spend your money where you spend your time. The vast majority of Campers sit rotting for eons, it's to the point a moldy trailer/boat sitting unused is part of the middle-class lifestyle. Don't be baited ETA: You want to buy land how far would that trailer money go to securing the perfect property jesus bro Not in my hood, I camp places that would be impossible to get a hotel anywhere close to, but this thread is about a person that wants a 5th wheel. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:22:39 PM EDT
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My vote is for Arctic Fox. I have one, and it's solid. Build quality is on another level from most of the RV crap on the market, and I love the 4 season insulation.
The tradeoff is they are HEAVY for their size. The other end of the spectrum from "ultralight RVs." HEAVY! I've seen pictures of Arctic Fox trailers that have been rolled on the highway, and came through it in one piece. Takes a lot of wood and metal to do that. Did I mention heavy? |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was something a friend once mentioned. Drive by any storage facility on a "holiday" weekend and it's still full of nearly new campers. I don't know how much that's worth. I try to avoid taking mine out on holiday weekends - too many people everywhere. But I'll take mine out off-season for weeks at a time. That's another benefit to a 4 season RV - you can have places to yourself once it's cold out. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:30:59 PM EDT
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I guess I am in the other camp, a guy is coming to pick up our fifth wheel that he bought from us last night. We bought land in Northern Michigan and built a cabin last year. Was going to just leave camper there, but it sucks compared to the cabin. Cost me 2k for the 4 years we owned it. It's a 2001 BTW, so happy to see it go.
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats all true but a motorhome you can sleep in the back while the other person drives. Thats priceless. In many states somebody can be in a fifth wheel as long as they have a not-cellphone way of communicating with the tow vehicle. All states if they keep the curtains closed 
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Posted: 6/2/2020 6:57:14 PM EDT
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Love my Jayco eagle
At 42ft and 4 slides it has a crapload of room which is important since i full time out of it with my wife and daughter. That said it has quality dexter axles, probably the best tires factory Goodyear endurance, all aluminum frame construction with a nice beefy steel main frame. Frame less windows Washer dryer prep'd Its 4 season standard. It has the ground control 3.0 electrical stabilizing jacks which are amazing Morryde steps Morryde hitch Morryde suspension damper Wet links on the leaf springs. Nice ac units And a well put together water/sewage control board. My master control panel is an android tablet so I can control most things from my phone. And most of my light switches are wireless which is odd but they work as well as car remotes and are mounded to the wall just no wires to worry about And its only 15k full with about 2500lb pin weight. Thing pulls like a dream. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 7:07:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know how much that's worth. I try to avoid taking mine out on holiday weekends - too many people everywhere. But I'll take mine out off-season for weeks at a time. That's another benefit to a 4 season RV - you can have places to yourself once it's cold out. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 7:10:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I build (Group Leader - Final) Dutchmen Voltage Toy Haulers & the new Dutchmen Yukon fifth wheels. I personally own a 2005 Dutchmen Classic 32’ bunkhouse fifth wheel. I bought it used off the original owner that had it stored indoors it’s whole life and was only used a handful of times until I picked it up about 5 years ago. I’ve been in the industry for 17 years and have been either at Voltage/Yukon(new) or Keystone Cougar lines. IMO, it depends what your looking to do when camping. I would find the floor plan that you like and start from there. Just about all the manufacturers make similar floor plans and different tiers of campers (entry/mid/luxury). The best value is in a mid level camper. I would either look in that class and/or find a very lightly used model. The benefits of used are the depreciation and the previous owners should have the bugs worked out. Most new campers will have some minor issues after purchase that need addressed. You seem handy and can probably fix most things without relying on a dealer. @Staticstang Did you build this?  Attached File
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Posted: 6/2/2020 7:11:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You kinda missed the point. For the majority of people they simply don't used them and they sit and rot while making payments on them. the duration they'll finance them for is a losing proposition for almost everyone, it'll never be worth what you owe. and you know the OP is like this how? Show me any recreation expense that pays for itself. It doesn't, but you know this right? You are missing the point. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 7:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've seen pictures of Arctic Fox trailers that have been rolled on the highway, and came through it in one piece. You're going to have to provide links for this claim. |
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Posted: 6/2/2020 7:28:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: and you know the OP is like this how? Show me any recreation expense that pays for itself. It doesn't, but you know this right? You are missing the point. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You kinda missed the point. For the majority of people they simply don't used them and they sit and rot while making payments on them. the duration they'll finance them for is a losing proposition for almost everyone, it'll never be worth what you owe. and you know the OP is like this how? Show me any recreation expense that pays for itself. It doesn't, but you know this right? You are missing the point. |
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