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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:56:17 AM EDT
[#1]
Who is “they”?
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:57:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is "they"? Them guys |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:57:39 AM EDT
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I'm gonna assume your small town has very low property prices?
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:58:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who is "they"? From their website: We are Christ centered, God loving and Spirit-filled. We are contemporary in our worship. We are non-denominational. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:58:48 AM EDT
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Their congregation, their money. Who cares?
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:59:38 AM EDT
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That money could have gone toward actually helping people Judas very words when he demanded that they sell the scented oil Mary was to annoint Jesus with. Good thing Solomon didn't heed your advice or he would have been defying God. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 10:59:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:00:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Their congregation, their money. Who cares? The tax free doing tax free things and what not.. donations help too. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:00:25 AM EDT
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The poor will always be with you.
Meaning you can pour as much money as you have down that rathole and it will never make a difference. Private institutions learned this far before the government ever will. Buildings are nice to look at however. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:01:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou should never trust anyone with the "I was born feet first" haircut. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:01:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Judas very words when he demanded that they sell the scented oil Mary was to annoint Jesus with. Good thing Solomon didn't heed your advice or he would have been defying God. Quote HistoryQuoted: That money could have gone toward actually helping people Judas very words when he demanded that they sell the scented oil Mary was to annoint Jesus with. Good thing Solomon didn't heed your advice or he would have been defying God. I'm not looking to sell stuff to make money. I'm saying the money they WASTE on these worship-of-man centers, who claim to be Christian, could have been used to actually do Christian things. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:02:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm gonna assume your small town has very low property prices? Speed Isn't amazing how a town with low properties prices and money actually spent on maintenance can become a town with high property prices , barely spend anything on maintenance. The same houses just older and somehow that something to look up to. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:04:29 AM EDT
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Money laundering scheme, imho.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:04:45 AM EDT
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don't know about this church but having the bigger property allows the church to host events themselves since a lot of city/county/state property's say no to church events.
many church's have their normal money dispersments towards charities and many times these special projects are really happening because of a few donors who dig deep into their pockets - this is how things really get done, the nickles and dimes keep the lights on and cover payroll Even in the Bible with everyone running around it was the widow who was a major financier of Jesus's early church |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:08:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:08:12 AM EDT
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The Roman Catholic Church received $1.4 billion of PPP loan money.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:10:20 AM EDT
[#17]
Lawyer churches built and maintained in every county seat, paid for with tax dollars, are a bigger travesty.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:10:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are misconstruing the points. I'm not looking to sell stuff to make money. I'm saying the money they WASTE on these worship-of-man centers, who claim to be Christian, could have been used to actually do Christian things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That money could have gone toward actually helping people Judas very words when he demanded that they sell the scented oil Mary was to annoint Jesus with. Good thing Solomon didn't heed your advice or he would have been defying God. I'm not looking to sell stuff to make money. I'm saying the money they WASTE on these worship-of-man centers, who claim to be Christian, could have been used to actually do Christian things. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:12:23 AM EDT
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What Lutherans are building mega churches? Most congregations are just trying to stay alive right now.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:12:33 AM EDT
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I go to a "big"church, something like 5000 "members", ~2000 on a given Sunday, been there 30 years.
Same pastor for 38 years, straight from the Word, no prisoners, not there to tickle ears and make you feel good. None of the staff are what i would consider wealthy and we do a lot of things for the community. Down the road you have places like Newspring, where you can get your weekly jams and feel-good motivational speech without getting your toes stepped on. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 ESV For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:13:08 AM EDT
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As long as they are preaching the actual wird of God why do you care?
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:13:35 AM EDT
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Wait til they go pew to pew with baskets on really long handles.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:14:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From their website: We are Christ centered, God loving and Spirit-filled. We are contemporary in our worship. We are non-denominational. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who is "they"? From their website: We are Christ centered, God loving and Spirit-filled. We are contemporary in our worship. We are non-denominational. Yet, you slammed Catholics and Lutherans in your OP........you're just a confused little guy aren't you? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:14:40 AM EDT
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Most modern churches are glorified country clubs with Christianity as the theme.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:15:09 AM EDT
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Tax shelters
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:15:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The tax free doing tax free things and what not.. donations help too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Their congregation, their money. Who cares? The tax free doing tax free things and what not.. donations help too. Wanna know how I know that you don't know neither jack, nor shit about how a churches finances and tax situation work? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:16:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most modern churches are glorified country clubs with Christianity as the theme. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:16:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From their website: We are Christ centered, God loving and Spirit-filled. We are contemporary in our worship. We are non-denominational. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who is "they"? From their website: We are Christ centered, God loving and Spirit-filled. We are contemporary in our worship. We are non-denominational. Calvary Chapel ? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:17:07 AM EDT
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Smells like tax fraud with a side of laundering.
I guess car washes doesn't work like it used to. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:17:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lawyer churches built and maintained in every county seat, paid for with tax dollars, are a bigger travesty. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/215362/4c38073ebf542bcee2fd52ad376f32a6_jpg-1503397.JPG This...right here......so-called freedom lovers complaining about others finding a way around .gov extortion and theft. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:18:22 AM EDT
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A million dollars really isn't that much any more. I bet you have neighborhoods full of single family homes valued around half a million dollars each.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:18:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are misconstruing the points. I'm not looking to sell stuff to make money. I'm saying the money they WASTE on these worship-of-man centers, who claim to be Christian, could have been used to actually do Christian things. Building their building with their money is a Christian thing. 
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:19:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Roman Catholic Church received $1.4 billion of PPP loan money. Each parish is financially independent. How much did the various Baptists get? Lutherans? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:20:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet, you slammed Catholics and Lutherans in your OP........you're just a confused little guy aren't you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who is "they"? From their website: We are Christ centered, God loving and Spirit-filled. We are contemporary in our worship. We are non-denominational. Yet, you slammed Catholics and Lutherans in your OP........you're just a confused little guy aren't you? As the poster said above; 'they are country clubs with a Christian theme' I also know of several Lutheran/Baptist/Catholic churches that do good work for the community. They have a modest building (usually repurposed from a failed/moved company) and actually do Christian things. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:20:19 AM EDT
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You think this is a modem day thing? It’s been like this for thousands or years. Actually since way before Christianity. I don’t get it either but that seems to be the thing to do.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:40:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A million dollars really isn't that much any more. I bet you have neighborhoods full of single family homes valued around half a million dollars each. My little 3 bed 2 bath 1300 sf home on a 1/8th acre is appraised at 400k. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:41:20 AM EDT
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How much of your money did they spend on it OP?
If you want to break this down to a very personal level, I drive a beater $1300 pickup truck. I'm a Christian as well and give what I think is right. Are you any less Christian than me if you spent more than $1300 on a vehicle? Jesus rode a donkey, the most humble of animals as the horse is depicted as a soldier's or rich person's mount. You could get by with a more "humble" ride, but is that really any of my business??? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:41:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, sure did. I know of several Lutheran/Catholic HUMUNGO and elaborate churches. They just happen to be in well-off communities. I've been to several growing up, and went to Christian private school. I have competed in scholastic events at several around MN. As the poster said above; 'they are country clubs with a Christian theme' I also know of several Lutheran/Baptist/Catholic churches that do good work for the community. They have a modest building (usually repurposed from a failed/moved company) and actually do Christian things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who is "they"? From their website: We are Christ centered, God loving and Spirit-filled. We are contemporary in our worship. We are non-denominational. Yet, you slammed Catholics and Lutherans in your OP........you're just a confused little guy aren't you? As the poster said above; 'they are country clubs with a Christian theme' I also know of several Lutheran/Baptist/Catholic churches that do good work for the community. They have a modest building (usually repurposed from a failed/moved company) and actually do Christian things. You got that wide brush out anyway.... |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:43:44 AM EDT
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OP do you judge heathens that build nice things the same way?
Or are they allowed nice things since they openly oppose the things of God? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:46:20 AM EDT
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Even a small church costs millions. Construction is expensive.
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm saying the money they WASTE on these worship-of-man centers, who claim to be Christian, could have been used to actually do Christian things. There's literally a Bible verse about this. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:46:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Roman Catholic Church received $1.4 billion of PPP loan money. The Church has employees and business expenses. I know, crazy, right...? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:49:49 AM EDT
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Jesus tells people: care for the poor and less fortunate.
People: spend mega bucks on elaborate churches, virtue signal with nice website. People can do what they want, I'm not trying to stop them. People can worship what they want, how they want so long as it doesn't impact me. Doesn't mean they aren't full of shit though. How would GD react if a dictator came up, doing obvious Marxist things, but in the name of free-market Capitalism? Would GD pander to their "identity" or call them/him/her/ze out on it? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:53:02 AM EDT
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Go visit when they open and judge for yourself if it's wasted space. It's seems foolish to judge before you have any basis to do so.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:54:25 AM EDT
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Well, government has muscled/regulated Christian churches out of a lot of the charity business, so that money has to go somewhere.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:58:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: Because that is how God rolls? He who has the most bitch'n crib gets salvation? I will say that I'm Christian. I've seen things too coincidental for it all to be by accident. I believe. That being said, the modern day Catholics, Lutherans and anybody else who builds these humungo ultra-expensive "places of worship" are missing the entire point. That money could have gone toward actually helping people. Yes, having a building makes sense. No, you don't need the monstrosities they build. Fucking disgusts me they call themselves Godly people (the organizers of these churches of profit that is, the people who they lure in less so). Construction trades and materials suppliers and manufacturers aren't people? Charity without a very specific objective is not virtuous. The guy who buys a multimillion dollar yacht does more good for working folks than some idiot who spews a millions bucks in the air in the name of charity. |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:58:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most modern churches are glorified country clubs with Christianity as the theme. Why do you hate Christianity? Does it make you feel bad about something? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 11:59:35 AM EDT
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When one of the two big churches in a nearby town put up a new building they found a spot that was slightly higher geographically than the competitor. They apparently frequently told people they were closer to God.
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:03:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup, sure did. I know of several Lutheran/Catholic HUMUNGO and elaborate churches. They just happen to be in well-off communities. I've been to several growing up, and went to Christian private school. I have competed in scholastic events at several around MN. As the poster said above; 'they are country clubs with a Christian theme' I also know of several Lutheran/Baptist/Catholic churches that do good work for the community. They have a modest building (usually repurposed from a failed/moved company) and actually do Christian things. I can't speak for other denominations as I have no experience. But I'd love for you to give an example of a Catholic "country club" church. 
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:03:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jesus tells people: care for the poor and less fortunate. So, what you're saying is that rather than buying something expensive that cost, say, 300 days wages, you should give that money to the poor? |
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Posted: 7/14/2020 12:04:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Because that is how God rolls? He who has the most bitch'n crib gets salvation? I will say that I'm Christian. I've seen things too coincidental for it all to be by accident. I believe. That being said, the modern day Catholics, Lutherans and anybody else who builds these humungo ultra-expensive "places of worship" are missing the entire point. That money could have gone toward actually helping people. Yes, having a building makes sense. No, you don't need the monstrosities they build. Fucking disgusts me they call themselves Godly people (the organizers of these churches of profit that is, the people who they lure in less so). The economics of commercial churches leads to one helluva business when biblical tithing is the source of revenue. Its simple - run the math. Account for tax advantage. |
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