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Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:32:36 PM EDT
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I thought the POTUS commanded the NG troops in DC? If he does, who ordered all those troops there and why hasn't Trump ordered them to leave?
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The Governor of their state controls them within their home state...unless they are Federalized.

I'm not sure how leaving their home states affects their 'federalization', (or how making them deputy US marshals does), but if they're federalized they are under the command of POTUS as CIC.


Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:33:46 PM EDT
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In my lifetime I’ve never seen anything like this, and vetting them because they may have voted for Trump...............it’s time for a reset. How can this be....
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You're gonna get one, just not the one you want
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:35:48 PM EDT
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Well if you ever needed a in your face optic for "it's a big club and you aren't in it" you need to look no farther than the farce going on in DC right now.

If the ramifications were not so tragic for a continuation of the Republic it would be funny.
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Stolen
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:36:27 PM EDT
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We still have 20 million AR's and billions of rounds of 5.56, correct.

Sounds like a party.



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No matter how bad it gets at the top I still can't imagine the actual boots on the ground forces going after fellow Americans.
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That is why those forces will be told they are going after “domestic terrorists” and “insurgents.”
Just like they have done for nearly 20 years in Afghanistan and 18 years in Iraq.
You do realize nobody below the rank of O-5 or E-8 today served in a US military whose primary mission was NOT counter-insurgency?
Now we see the ugly fruits from the seeds planted by the US govt after 9/11.
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People are having a hard time wrapping their heads around the fact that they are the bad guy.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:39:11 PM EDT
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You chose unwisely.

Mine is on the opposite end with me trying to keep her calm.
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Yep. If anything my wife stuck it on the crazy because I'm much less conservative than she is. Don't tell her...
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:48:00 PM EDT
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They called us Nazis for four years straight, but they are literally doing Nazi stuff on day one.
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I can easily imagine them going after insurrectionists.
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Who is an insurrectionist?
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:55:34 PM EDT
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That is why those forces will be told they are going after “domestic terrorists” and “insurgents.”

Just like they have done for nearly 20 years in Afghanistan and 18 years in Iraq.

You do realize nobody below the rank of O-5 or E-8 today served in a US military whose primary mission was NOT counter-insurgency?

Now we see the ugly fruits from the seeds planted by the US govt after 9/11.
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There is another side of that coin. Not everyone who served in Iraq and Afghanistan stayed in.  In fact, I'd bet the majority went on to life among civilians.  And a good many of those are watching right now, thinking how disgusted they are.  And those men and women saw first hand how a war of insurgency was fought AND know what was done to wage a war against insurgency.  In my admittedly limited experience, a good portion those men and women believe in two things: 1.) being left alone, and 2.) the US government is run by shitbags.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 12:56:31 PM EDT
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Who is an insurrectionist?
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You.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:03:23 PM EDT
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Can't steal what was already stolen. It's a bit from a George Carlin skit.

George Carlin - The big club

Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:06:25 PM EDT
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I can only come to these conclusions when looking at what they're doing in DC.  

1.  Yes, they're THAT scared.  They know that they've broken any number of laws in getting their slate "elected", and they're absolutely terrified that somehow, though Hell bar the way, Trump will manage to find the right Federal prosecutor to actually look at the evidence, and file arrest warrants.  All this security would give them the opportunity to stop whomever would be coming to Washington to actually serve those warrants, and possibly arrange for a fatal "accident" to befall those men.  

2. They're insanely terrified of good, honest, middle-American conservatives.  They saw hundreds of thousands of unarmed protestors, filling the streets, wandering through the halls of the Capitol Building and it terrified them to their cores.  You SAW them, cowering like sheep, trying to hide behind each other.  They've been spending these recent nights awake after having had horrifying nightmares involving those hundreds of thousands of patriots, filling the streets of Washington DC, only this time those patriots are armed and armored, and out for blood.  They have no clue what makes a conservative do the things that he does, and since THEY would react with extreme violence, and in THEIR mindset a bloody coup is well in the realm of possibilities, then they can't even imagine that a conservative would think and behave otherwise.

3.  They demand tribute.  They DEMAND tribute.  They believe that they hold the ultimate power in the universe, and they demand that governors and legislators far and wide bend a knee and kiss the ring.  If they call the Governor of Virginia (for example) and demand troops, cops, port-a-johns, roach coaches... God dammit, they had DAMN WELL BETTER GET THEM.

I wish to all hell that things had gone differently.  I STILL hope (by all that's holy) that Trump somehow pulls out the Hail Mary to end all Hail Marys, and puts an end to this criminal junta.... but I don't honestly think it's going to happen.  I honestly think we're in for a rocky ride in the upcoming decade, and the only thing that comforts me is the knowledge that this is all just temporary -- eventually the world will end and the Lord will set things right.  

That, and copious amounts of alcohol.


Well said
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Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:09:09 PM EDT
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Trump has given up on America now that the Swamp prevailed.

He is saying "you let the bastards get away with it so suffer the consequences".
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:09:49 PM EDT
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There is another side of that coin. Not everyone who served in Iraq and Afghanistan stayed in.  In fact, I'd bet the majority went on to life among civilians.  And a good many of those are watching right now, thinking how disgusted they are.  And those men and women saw first hand how a war of insurgency was fought AND know what was done to wage a war against insurgency.  In my admittedly limited experience, a good portion those men and women believe in two things: 1.) being left alone, and 2.) the US government is run by shitbags.
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That is why those forces will be told they are going after “domestic terrorists” and “insurgents.”

Just like they have done for nearly 20 years in Afghanistan and 18 years in Iraq.

You do realize nobody below the rank of O-5 or E-8 today served in a US military whose primary mission was NOT counter-insurgency?

Now we see the ugly fruits from the seeds planted by the US govt after 9/11.


There is another side of that coin. Not everyone who served in Iraq and Afghanistan stayed in.  In fact, I'd bet the majority went on to life among civilians.  And a good many of those are watching right now, thinking how disgusted they are.  And those men and women saw first hand how a war of insurgency was fought AND know what was done to wage a war against insurgency.  In my admittedly limited experience, a good portion those men and women believe in two things: 1.) being left alone, and 2.) the US government is run by shitbags.

Good.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:12:36 PM EDT
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I mean whenever in history has that ever happened before?

Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:13:18 PM EDT
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In my lifetime I’ve never seen anything like this, and vetting them because they may have voted for Trump...............it’s time for a reset. How can this be....
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Either you with us or agin us...
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:14:36 PM EDT
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And this is why the left wins.

They outplayed republicans.
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Bitchy little school girls got hold of the handles of government power.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:15:58 PM EDT
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Perfect army for Door to Door gun confiscation.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:17:35 PM EDT
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Unless those troops become a permanent fixture of D.C., plus the home offices of congress critters, homes of congress critters, major media offices, certain CEOs, certain corporate board members, and big tech offices also get overwhelming protection force, "it" can happen again in a different form.  I can't see the public tolerating a major police state presence like that.

Just look at the "troubles" of the IRA for the playbook on how it goes down.
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"What happened the other week cannot be allowed to happen again" is what my wife says about the 26,000 Soldiers in DC.
Yeah...

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Unless those troops become a permanent fixture of D.C., plus the home offices of congress critters, homes of congress critters, major media offices, certain CEOs, certain corporate board members, and big tech offices also get overwhelming protection force, "it" can happen again in a different form.  I can't see the public tolerating a major police state presence like that.

Just look at the "troubles" of the IRA for the playbook on how it goes down.

Bingo. In her world view, I'd better prepare a room or run more power to the shed so our neighborhood commissar can have accommodations and have a watchful eye over us, and tell the government how i post spicy memes on the internet.

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Maybe a solid 175, but the last 75, maybe 50, have been systematically removing freedoms until we are where we are at today.
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Not for nothing. They gave us 250 years of freedom.


Maybe a solid 175, but the last 75, maybe 50, have been systematically removing freedoms until we are where we are at today.



This is flat out a leap of faith for the Left. Or not. We are a prosperous civilized society. People would rather wish for something than fight for it themselves. Noone is challenging them on it. And this is a hard play for autocracy.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:20:11 PM EDT
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Fox news, last night, said new recruits will have to pass a loyalty screening.

The troops in DC have already been filtered the same way, I thought everyone knew that.
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Think again. They'll wash out anyone disloyal to their party and will find new folks who will.  Wait and see.

Fox news, last night, said new recruits will have to pass a loyalty screening.

The troops in DC have already been filtered the same way, I thought everyone knew that.



Going to be swearing a Biden oath?
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:21:47 PM EDT
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Another example of the fascists not caring about optics while conservatives  bitch about a guy selling body armor on the roadside...
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They build their own optics. And the MSM sells it for them.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 1:25:38 PM EDT
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Rush is reporting that FXiden has hired a private security firm since he doesn’t trust the Secret Service to protect him from the National Guard.
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Who is an insurrectionist?
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I can easily imagine them going after insurrectionists.
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Who is an insurrectionist?



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Link Posted: 1/19/2021 2:05:52 PM EDT
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Of course not.  That would just be silly.


They will be required to take an anti-Trump oath.  After all, Trump is a known domestic terrorist.  You don't support terrorism....  DO YOU ?
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Who is an insurrectionist?
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I can easily imagine them going after insurrectionists.
(Especially after an unidentified insurrectionist fires on them from the crowd.)

Who is an insurrectionist?

Link Posted: 1/19/2021 2:11:13 PM EDT
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Well, aren't you in for a surprise.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 2:25:40 PM EDT
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welcome to your new banana republic

United States of America

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call it what you want, the US is gone and every soldier from Arlington to Flanders Field gave their lives for nothing
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Yes, it is a banana republic. Yes, it is over. But I wouldn't say that the dead of the past fought for nothing. They fought for their era with hope for their children's. Our era has failed to live up to them, that is all. We thought when Communist dictatorships fell that our system had won and would endure. That was wrong. It was never okay to be tolerant of intolerant people. It was never okay to trade freedom for security or stability. Never for stability, but that was the sine qua non for the political Establishment in the post-war era, it was the highest goal for the statesmen who gave our country away economically and philosophically. They traded our whole country in the name of stability, curse them all.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 2:28:18 PM EDT
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Just now? You just now figured that out?

All due respect, I know there were a lot of super optimistic people here, and some still are in the normalcy bias camp. For all the talk about Bush or Trump being fascists and Nazis, we are now living in Germany 1933, and the National Socialists won the November election, and we just saw our Reichstag fire.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 2:30:18 PM EDT
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The DC green zone is not going away any time soon
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What's funny is that the democrats are clearly trying to use this as a show of force; essentially a statement that "we're in charge now, and fuck you." Everyone knows it has nothing to do with safety at this point.

If 26,000 nominally trained and poorly equipped troops--many (most?) of whom wouldn't risk their life for a single democrat politician--is the best show of force they can muster, they'll be in a tough spot if they decide they want to go full Mao.

I highly doubt they have the requisite emotional maturity to slow their roll this time around.
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Good thing protests are no longer allowed for demigod Xiden
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Well, aren't you in for a surprise.
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Well, aren't you in for a surprise.


Yup LMFAO, how old are you @AngryNagant?

There are tons who will follow orders.  The govt just has to dehumanize the opposition enough.  We have cops arresting folks on the beach alone, arresting mom's at playgrounds, military presentations stating maga hats and pro Trump shit are extremist icons.

Be prepared to be villianized by the politicians, and taken to task incrementally by law enforcement and if shit goes real bad, the military
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Those fences aren't coming down. Not as long as the soon to be Biden emergency decree goes into effect.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 2:47:32 PM EDT
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Probably so.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 3:00:58 PM EDT
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It's been delegated to Secretary of the Army.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 3:07:32 PM EDT
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What's funny is that the democrats are clearly trying to use this as a show of force; essentially a statement that "we're in charge now, and fuck you." Everyone knows it has nothing to do with safety at this point.

If 26,000 nominally trained and poorly equipped troops--many (most?) of whom wouldn't risk their life for a single democrat politician--is the best show of force they can muster, they'll be in a tough spot if they decide they want to go full Mao.

I highly doubt they have the requisite emotional maturity to slow their roll this time around.
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Exactly. I’m pretty sure I read the troops in DC don’t even have ammo. It’s all show.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 4:28:18 PM EDT
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This all reminds me of this book's premise I read. Good read and provides very surreal parallels to what is happening here.


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Absolutely what we expected.
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They will.  It's just a matter of dehumanizing the patriots first.  A false flag attack on some troops and they will all have itchy trigger fingers to take out the "domestic terrorists" responsible.

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They will.  It's just a matter of dehumanizing the patriots first.  A false flag attack on some troops and they will all have itchy trigger fingers to take out the "domestic terrorists" responsible.



Yup, and people at home will cheer it on because "white supremacists."
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 5:57:20 PM EDT
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Trump has given up on America now that the Swamp prevailed.

He is saying "you let the bastards get away with it so suffer the consequences".
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Is that wrong? He is going to be pummeled by the commie-left, for the rest of his life. Outside of his supporters, he was stabbed in the back by most of his people. I am impressed he lasted this long.
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It will happen one day.

I'm old enough to remember Kent State. Before that there was the War Bonus Marchers. Before that the Civil War draft protests.

There's a long list of US troops against US civilians with the civilians getting shot.
Link Posted: 1/19/2021 7:34:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/19/2021 8:05:22 PM EDT
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You would be wrong.

“Just following orders” is a real thing.

And a bunch of soldiers, who have already been given a loyalty to the new regime test, would use that excuse ad nauseum.

I have heard no instances where an officer or enlisted person has looked at the new oath to the new masters and said, “Nope, fuck this, I’m out.”

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Well, a few years ago there was this thing by a group of officers & enlisted men, called Operation Valkyrie: but that was then....
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What it's really about? Maybe this will explain it.

Best/Worst Fake Soccer Injuries: Dives and Flops!


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And this is why the left wins.

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When you control the flow of information, the world is yours.
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The greatest army in the world remains the American people. Nothing short of nuclear warfare could defeat it if pulled into an all or nothing, life or death war. Our Founding Fathers understood the importance of this, and accordingly enshrined our rights in the Constitution. Additionally, just as the population is split in ideology, so to would be our military troops, as I'd imagine a great percentage of our fellow warriors would refrain from massacring their own countrymen who wish only to be left alone in their pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness.
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I hope you’re right.  But, I’m afraid you’re wrong.
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Hahahahahahahaha!

Oh wait. You're serious.

BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA


Someone here hasn't served. I can't tell you how many soldiers I've met in my 12 years that have said a variation of "I'm not going to lose my paycheck, I'll do whatever I'm ordered."
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