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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:29:39 AM EDT
All I've heard over the past decade or so is how the age of the Pump Shotgun is over and no one is buying them. The AR-15 has replaced it. People call pump shotguns "fudd guns", "antiquated", and "outdated". Well, the current demand for self defense capable weapons proves that the Pump Shotgun is still in demand. While the AR-15 might have replaced them in police cruisers as the go to long gun. It appears that the common citizen is still quite happy and satisfied with the ever classic 12ga boom stick.
The prices some of these guns have sold for is crazy. First, let's look at some Remington 870s. The most I ever paid for a Remington was $400 and I'm sitting on a literal pile of them and they all aren't Express Models in my safe.    Now lets take a peak at Winchester 1300s. I paid $289 for mine and would see them never break the $300 mark.    Okay, so let's look at Mossberg offerings. My Shockwave was under $300 new.    Okay, the 590 line is always a little pricier than the 500. But I remember seeing a 20" Model 590 with bayonet lug and heat shield for under $330 new. So let's look at the 500 line.     These prices are crazy for a 500; and one of them is used. I remember usually seeing them for for about $300 a pop. Okay, what about the Maverick 88 line you say. Surely that isn't crazy right?    Mossberg's bargin basement 88 series is selling easily twice to three times their value. I remember buying these guns new for under $200. Okay, last one to look at is Browning BPS. I was only able to find one that recently sold. They made two versions of it in a self defense package. The 20" High Capacity model and a 18" barreled riot model. I have the 20" model and paid $250 for mine.  So what is the lesson from the current panic? A firearm is better than no firearm and a pump action shotgun is still viable and in demand. The gun buying public wants something to defend themselves and 00 Buck or 12ga Slug is still a fine means to self defense and the pump action shotgun is still a capable platform of sending 1oz lumps of lead downrange with love and care. Even Joe Biden endorses 'em.   Buy A Shotgun Song - ft. VP Biden & Darren Criss |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:33:19 AM EDT
[#1]
F' Yeah!
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:33:48 AM EDT
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A buddy of mine who is a salesman at a LGS wanted to know if I would be willing to sell part of my shotgun collection.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:36:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A buddy of mine who is a salesman at a LGS wanted to know if I would be willing to sell part of my shotgun collection. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:36:20 AM EDT
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Yeah, I was looking at an 18” smooth bore bead barrel for my 870 magnum, they recently went from 80$ to $180.. and are out of stock.
*shrug |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:36:51 AM EDT
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Down here in Brevard county most of the gun stores are all barren. I love looking at the local classifieds and laughing at the used gun prices. Almost makes me want to sell a couple. Almost.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:37:02 AM EDT
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My 500 with a full length tube full of 00 buck is what lives under my bed.
Pretty sure I paid well under $400 for it though. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:37:11 AM EDT
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Holy Carp.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:39:12 AM EDT
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They are devastating weapons that still have a place in my lineup. Always will.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:39:26 AM EDT
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Cheapish shotguns seem to be preferred here in cuomoistan since it is at least 6 months to get a pistol permit. My LGS sells out within minutes of posting anything like these online. I see at least one person doing a 4473 on a pump they have had transferred in pretty much every time I walk in the door.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:40:21 AM EDT
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My friend on Long Island says he can't find any LGS that has any.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:40:41 AM EDT
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Almost like first time gun buyers that don't know anything about guns and have only heard the fuddlore about shotguns (muh spread, muh racking the gun will scare them off) are going to go buy shotguns instead of other guns
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:43:27 AM EDT
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You think that's bad?? Check out the prices on AK-74 5.45 kits. LOL
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:43:53 AM EDT
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I have a small collection of old wingmasters I paid around $300 for, not counting the upgrades.
One was rusted out. I cleaned it up, found an 18" barrel for $80, and a friend gave me his youth hogue stock and foreend that he didn't like. I think I have a little over $200 in it. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:44:54 AM EDT
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I've been buying police trade ins for years just because they were cheap. Prices as low as $80 for 870 Wingmasters. Heck, I've bought them just to get a matching stock.
 Looks like a few are going to go onto Guntraders, I need a new outboard. 
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:45:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:45:58 AM EDT
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Shotguns are less intimidating to new gun owners than an AR is. They are usually inexpensive to. The majority of current panic sales are driven by people who know very little about guns. I can’t think of a scenario where I’d choose to use a shotgun over an AR as a primary long arm. Maybe if I had tho shoot slugs through a barricade?
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:46:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost like first time gun buyers that don't know anything about guns and have only heard the fuddlore about shotguns (muh spread, muh racking the gun will scare them off) are going to go buy shotguns instead of other guns That's the minority. People that know damn well what a shotgun can do are buying them too. Not everyone get's their gun knowlege from video games. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:46:40 AM EDT
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Theory: the people running out and buying pump shotguns are first time gun buyers who will most likely vote Democrat.
Reasoning behind this is that they are less scary fudd guns than an AR and Joe Biden famously told them to buy a shotgun. Also, how are the prices in hunting shotguns? I mean why pay 800 to 1200 for a damn riot gun when a duck gun is still reasonable? |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:47:12 AM EDT
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Kicking myself for not jumping on an excellent condition 1300 Defender with wood furniture for $400 last month.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:48:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a small collection of old wingmasters I paid around $300 for, not counting the upgrades. One was rusted out. I cleaned it up, found an 18" barrel for $80, and a friend gave me his youth hogue stock and foreend that he didn't like. I think I have a little over $200 in it.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:48:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Almost like first time gun buyers that don't know anything about guns and have only heard the fuddlore about shotguns (muh spread, muh racking the gun will scare them off) are going to go buy shotguns instead of other guns  Defensive Shotgun  Mastering the Combat Shotgun  Art of the Dynamic Shotgun Trailer - Magpul Dynamics But on a serious note; I still think the shotgun is a capable and viable weapon for home defense. 12ga 00 Buck and Slug is still capable and able of putting a suspect down rapidly. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:49:30 AM EDT
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With my penchant for picking up stray pump shotguns a shows (most just need a little TLC and a forever home) I should really consider cashing in
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:50:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Theory: the people running out and buying pump shotguns are first time gun buyers who will most likely vote Democrat. Reasoning behind this is that they are less scary fudd guns than an AR and Joe Biden famously told them to buy a shotgun. Also, how are the prices in hunting shotguns? I mean why pay 800 to 1200 for a damn riot gun when a duck gun is still reasonable? Those are gone too. Prices are not any different. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:50:56 AM EDT
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Well shit. How much could I flip those cheap $99 Hatfield single-shot Walmart shotguns for?
*not that I’d buy guns with the intent to resell |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:51:01 AM EDT
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I have an 870 I would be glad to sell at those prices. It's the gun that I shoot the least. I need more space in my safe anyway.
Nothing wrong with a pump shotgun for home defense. Is it the best option? Probably not. Is it a good one? Yep. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:51:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Theory: the people running out and buying pump shotguns are first time gun buyers who will most likely vote Democrat. Reasoning behind this is that they are less scary fudd guns than an AR and Joe Biden famously told them to buy a shotgun. Also, how are the prices in hunting shotguns? I mean why pay 800 to 1200 for a damn riot gun when a duck gun is still reasonable? First time gun buyers are not really part of the Guntrader market. They go to their local big box store or gun shop. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:51:33 AM EDT
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I kinda want a new semi shotgun for duck season, am i fucked?
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:52:27 AM EDT
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I have an 870 police magnum with extended magazine I bought at GT a while back. Just sits in the safe. I had thought about selling it, but I’m glad I hung onto it.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:53:19 AM EDT
[#29]
Well shit.
Pretty much all of my pump shotguns are either NFA or have some sentimental value so I won't sell them. 
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:53:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 400 people laugh with $39 more they paid for their ONG Folders https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/255759/45FA3AAD-46E4-4894-B98A-35F539645DE8_jpe-1507581.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a small collection of old wingmasters I paid around $300 for, not counting the upgrades. One was rusted out. I cleaned it up, found an 18" barrel for $80, and a friend gave me his youth hogue stock and foreend that he didn't like. I think I have a little over $200 in it. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/255759/45FA3AAD-46E4-4894-B98A-35F539645DE8_jpe-1507581.JPG  The stock is horribly uncomfortable to actually use for me. The stock basically paid for my ONG 870. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:55:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well shit. Pretty much all of my pump shotguns are either NFA or have some sentimental value so I won't sell them. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:57:05 AM EDT
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Damn... if I could trade my 1300 Coastal Marine for an AUG.... hmmmm
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:58:32 AM EDT
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I'd like to pick up a pump shotgun at some point. I can wait until the silliness ends, though. For now my OU and SxS's will have to do. Never much of a shotgunner, I'll grab an AR every day of the week.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:58:52 AM EDT
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$625 for a Shockwave???
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:58:54 AM EDT
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I hope the people buying the shotguns get some training. A 12 gauge Pump is a difficult 1st gun to master. It can be very intimidating to a new shooter. I expect in a year or so the market may be flooded with lightly used shotguns that people decide wasn't right for them.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 9:59:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I kinda want a new semi shotgun for duck season, am i fucked? Not if you want a high end Italian gun; $750.00 and up; those really aren't moving in my AO. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:02:48 AM EDT
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This thread makes me wonder what Benelli M2 tacticals are going for. I have one and a Nova tactical. Not a great collection at all, but I felt like I had my shotgun needs covered.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:03:07 AM EDT
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Probably a lot of ban state folks buying shotguns? How's the market for the single shot H&R shotguns? Plenty of farmers back in the day only had one gun and it was a single shot H&R..
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:03:38 AM EDT
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I have always heard that the shotgun was the gun that won the West.
Even the most novice shooter, with little to no training, poor eyesight, arthritis, etc. can hit a target with a shotty. A well practiced shotgunner would be devastating inside of 50 yards especially with moving/running or partially obscured targets. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:04:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope the people buying the shotguns get some training. A 12 gauge Pump is a difficult 1st gun to master. It can be very intimidating to a new shooter. I expect in a year or so the market may be flooded with lightly used shotguns that people decide wasn't right for them. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:05:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have always heard that the shotgun was the gun that won the West. Even the most novice shooter, with little to no training, poor eyesight, arthritis, etc. can hit a target with a shotty. A well practiced shotgunner would be devastating inside of 50 yards especially with moving/running or partially obscured targets. There is soooo much incorrect in that post..... Pump shotgun = hardest small arm with which to achieve and maintain fighting proficiency. These new gun buyers are making bad choices (which is nothing new). And the Trapdoor Springfield and other single-shot "buffalo guns" won the West. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:05:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You think that's bad?? Check out the prices on AK-74 5.45 kits. LOL How’s that relevant? Has nothing to do with the panic. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:06:41 AM EDT
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Shotguns are “safe” choices in all 50 states and cities when it comes to draconian gun laws.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:07:51 AM EDT
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Remy/Mossy shotty
scatter gats Pumpy bois |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:08:06 AM EDT
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I have kicking around the idea of getting a scatter gun technologies gun
from what I have seen they are still bring their normal 1000-1200 , guess i should see if I can get like $800 for my basic mossberg and upgrade |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:08:09 AM EDT
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This will work in our favor politically, in some minor sense (won't completely offset all the other madness), and will also make for a buyer's market in 6-18 months.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:08:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is soooo much incorrect in that post..... Pump shotgun = hardest small arm with which to achieve and maintain fighting proficiency. And the Trapdoor Springfield and other single-shot "buffalo guns" won the West. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have always heard that the shotgun was the gun that won the West. Even the most novice shooter, with little to no training, poor eyesight, arthritis, etc. can hit a target with a shotty. A well practiced shotgunner would be devastating inside of 50 yards especially with moving/running or partially obscured targets. There is soooo much incorrect in that post..... Pump shotgun = hardest small arm with which to achieve and maintain fighting proficiency. And the Trapdoor Springfield and other single-shot "buffalo guns" won the West. |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:08:51 AM EDT
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Didn’t know this was a thing until my cousin started looking for one and I started getting online looking for him
Still don’t think he’s found any short barrels. I sure can’t |
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:09:57 AM EDT
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I sold my 590A1 too soon.
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Posted: 7/17/2020 10:10:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is soooo much incorrect in that post..... Pump shotgun = hardest small arm with which to achieve and maintain fighting proficiency. These new gun buyers are making bad choices. And the Trapdoor Springfield and other single-shot "buffalo guns" won the West. Truth. A shotgun is more of a specialist/niche weapon if anything. Very good at relatively close quarters and very good at stopping fights. 8-9 .38 cal bullets put lots of holes in people to leak. It's a low capacity, high recoil, weapon and reloading is a bitch under fire. One must develop awareness to keep the shotgun topped off. Although it's fallen out of favor in the "tactical" world, a shotgun is still a very potent home defense weapon, as statistically 1-2 rounds fired tend to end most fights. |
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