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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:24:28 PM EDT
[#1]
Attack helicopters are probably the biggest AD magnet on the modern battlefield. Everyone is going to be shooting at you.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:25:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: lets drop the stupidity and keep this on track please. The rare Resurrected* thread! Deal! 
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:26:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The rare Resurrected* thread! Deal! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: lets drop the stupidity and keep this on track please. The rare Resurrected* thread! Deal! 
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:27:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree it looks cool. They haven’t done terribly well, but I don’t know if that’s a function of the helicopter or how horrible the Russians are at combined arms. I'm gonna go with bad tactics. Russkies had one flying high and slow to the point that a Stunga got it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/04/06/a-ukrainian-soldier-shot-down-one-of-russias-best-attack-helicopters-using-an-anti-tank-missile/?sh=3ca6d4af6103 |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:29:01 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bit of an oxymoron, they look much cooler when they’re on fire. Agreed!! The best look of a Russian Helicopter is hot Hot HOT!!!   Attached File   Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:30:01 PM EDT
[#6]
Ka-52 is a bad looking bird. They haven't proved to be as bad assed as they look however. They're dropping like flies in Ukraine.
The Mi-28 is also a bad looking bird. 
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:30:24 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm gonna go with bad tactics. Russkies had one flying high and slow to the point that a Stunga got it. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/04/06/a-ukrainian-soldier-shot-down-one-of-russias-best-attack-helicopters-using-an-anti-tank-missile/?sh=3ca6d4af6103 Wow, thanks for posting that. I hadn’t seen it Impressive by the Ukrainians and yeah, bad tactics by the Russians. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:32:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed!! The best look of a Russian Helicopter is hot Hot HOT!!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/ezgif_com-gif-maker-4-2302450.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bit of an oxymoron, they look much cooler when they’re on fire. Agreed!! The best look of a Russian Helicopter is hot Hot HOT!!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/ezgif_com-gif-maker-4-2302450.gif Wrong thread, that's a Mi-24 |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:32:47 PM EDT
[#9]
It looks like something I would have drawn in kindergarten if somebody asked me to draw a helicopter
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:35:14 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed!! The best look of a Russian Helicopter is hot Hot HOT!!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/ezgif_com-gif-maker-4-2302450.gif https://en.defence-ua.com/media/contentimages/63362a882b963978.jpg https://mil.in.ua/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/img_20221221_150915_616-2.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EO_JaxV2lIA/maxresdefault.jpg Bigger_Hammer The first gif is in the running for top crazy scenes to witness in the war so far, imo |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:36:22 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wrong thread, that's a Mi-24 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bit of an oxymoron, they look much cooler when they’re on fire. Agreed!! The best look of a Russian Helicopter is hot Hot HOT!!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/ezgif_com-gif-maker-4-2302450.gif Wrong thread, that's a Mi-24 Eehhhh, you sure about that? |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:40:18 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistorySu-25 not a helo. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:41:49 PM EDT
[#13]
Soviet Marine 1.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:44:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Eehhhh, you sure about that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bit of an oxymoron, they look much cooler when they’re on fire. Agreed!! The best look of a Russian Helicopter is hot Hot HOT!!! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/367483/ezgif_com-gif-maker-4-2302450.gif Wrong thread, that's a Mi-24 Eehhhh, you sure about that? Yeah, there's also footage from the impact site later on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5GoePlcsLg |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:45:14 PM EDT
[#15]
Looks maintenance....intensive.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:46:45 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you want to know what our attack aviation stuff looked like pre GWOT look inside the cockpit. Steam gauges, shitty mpd's, and targeting systems circa 1991. Ah, but did they have a commercial GPS unit taped to the canopy now?  
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:46:50 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No helicopter does. Exactly… Is an AH-64 that less likely to be shot down? Helicopters in peer to peer combat with SAM’s are going down whether they are American or Russian. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:48:36 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some of the early footage from Ukraine was crazy. Lots of extremely low maneuvering, tons of FPV from the pilot/gunner, guys were recording their shootdown and evasion. Or their shootdown and death. Something like 30% of the production run has been lost in combat  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FwvM1zfXwAYj_Xy?format=jpg&name=medium Three decades and they forgot about Stingers. Aviation be scary in contested environments. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:50:22 PM EDT
[#19]
Coax is badass. And the wide mount fins make it look even better. So what if it's red.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:50:48 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure he means the coaxial, contra-rotating blades. The Chinook doesn’t have that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree but double the spinning and steering parts seems scary. Like a Chinook?  Pretty sure he means the coaxial, contra-rotating blades. The Chinook doesn’t have that. It has exactly what he described… |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:52:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No idea how good it actually is but both it and the Hind have that "don't fuck with me" look to them. Neat to have in a war machine. From their poor performance in Ukraine, it's also been proven that their ejection seat works pretty well, too; that's an innovation I'd like to see for our pilots, what with the exploding bolts and all. ETA: the KA-50 and Mi-28 also look pretty badass, but just perform like regular ass. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:53:23 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly Is an AH-64 that less likely to be shot down? Helicopters in peer to peer combat with SAM's are going down whether they are American or Russian. Something about hovering low over a battlefield makes them uniquely vulnerable to ground fire. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:54:46 PM EDT
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The Ka-52 is estimated to cost as much as the AH-64
Egypt has an equal number of both? 
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:55:27 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ka-52 is a bad looking bird. They haven't proved to be as bad assed as they look however. They're dropping like flies in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:55:31 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, but did they have a commercial GPS unit taped to the canopy now? The Egyptian one I checked out had a Garmin. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:57:02 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly… Is an AH-64 that less likely to be shot down? Helicopters in peer to peer combat with SAM’s are going down whether they are American or Russian. The 64 is significantly less likely to be shot down. Russian ASE systems are on par with what we had prior to the first gulf war. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:58:26 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would Apache's fair any better? Serious question. Lol, no. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 9:58:41 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree but double the spinning and steering parts seems scary. Like a Chinook? or a Huskie? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/KamanHuskie_jpg-2828882.JPG My father flew as crew chief in Alaska and Vietnam in an HH43 |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:00:43 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Would Apache's fair any better? Serious question. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ka-52 is a bad looking bird. They haven't proved to be as bad assed as they look however. They're dropping like flies in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:07:05 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOnly one of those Apache losses was due to enemy action and in that case (at least according to the pilots that flew it) it was shitty premission planning that caused it. The rest were environmental (brownout landings) or maintenance related. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:16:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only one of those Apache losses was due to enemy action and in that case (at least according to the pilots that flew it) it was shitty premission planning that caused it. The rest were environmental (brownout landings) or maintenance related. Quote HistoryQuoted: Only one of those Apache losses was due to enemy action and in that case (at least according to the pilots that flew it) it was shitty premission planning that caused it. The rest were environmental (brownout landings) or maintenance related. Helicopters are powerful and useful weapons systems but they are incredibly vulnerable to ground fire. In a high-intensity AD environment like Ukraine there are going to be a lot of zapped helicopters on both sides -- and that would include any Apaches or Cobras that we decide to send over there. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:19:27 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ka-52 is a bad looking bird. They haven't proved to be as bad assed as they look however. They're dropping like flies in Ukraine. The Mi-28 is also a bad looking bird. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aggfYqoOIOI/maxresdefault.jpg Imagine hunting those silly looking things in a Skyraider with a couple of friends.  |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:21:41 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryThe thermal video of one getting shot down with a STUGA ATGM was pretty sick too |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:25:51 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If helicopters are crashing during combat conditions then that's functionally no different than getting shot down. If Russian copters were crashing during combat missions due to bad visibility or poor maintenance (and they do) then ARFCOM would call them cheap garbage. Helicopters are powerful and useful weapons systems but they are incredibly vulnerable to ground fire. In a high-intensity AD environment like Ukraine there are going to be a lot of zapped helicopters on both sides -- and that would include any Apaches or Cobras that we decide to send over there. It's significantly different when a shoot down happens vs an accident. Shoot downs drive ASE development, accidents drive training and SOP development. The technological difference in ASE alone between any Russian helicopter currently in service and the Apache is of such a magnitude that it absolutely would make a noticeable difference. With the proper training and employment, losses will be minimal for us. Not that there won't be any losses, but to claim that it would look anything like what Russia is currently taking in Ukraine is asinine. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:28:39 PM EDT
[#35]
Always thought the Russians made some pretty cool looking helicopters.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:29:05 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's significantly different when a shoot down happens vs an accident. Shoot downs drive ASE development, accidents drive training and SOP development. The technological difference in ASE alone between any Russian helicopter currently in service and the Apache is of such a magnitude that it absolutely would make a noticeable difference. With the proper training and employment, losses will be minimal for us. Not that there won't be any losses, but to claim that it would look anything like what Russia is currently taking in Ukraine is asinine. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:30:18 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ka-52 is a bad looking bird. They haven't proved to be as bad assed as they look however. They're dropping like flies in Ukraine. The Mi-28 is also a bad looking bird. https://i.ytimg.com/vi/aggfYqoOIOI/maxresdefault.jpg 
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:32:22 PM EDT
[#38]
You’ll never get better footage than this.
kA52 clearing hostomel airport for the VDV on day 1 of invasion. Gets hit and takes emergency landing.  ?? Ukrainie War - Russian KA-52 Emergency Landing During Combat Sortie At Hostomel Airport • POV |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:33:36 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you think the ejection seat in the KA 52 is a worthwhile addition? I don't know enough about it on the technical side to make a real judgement. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:36:32 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ll never get better footage than this. kA52 clearing hostomel airport for the VDV on day 1 of invasion. Gets hit and takes emergency landing.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLa3fZD1vXsDirect shooting MG, and rockets like it’s battlefield 3. gets hit and does an E landing with pilots un-assing with rifles and all. If y’all wanna see a KA52 you need to watch this. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:37:18 PM EDT
[#41]
Its a neat aircraft. Used right it would be super dangerous.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:40:00 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ll never get better footage than this. kA52 clearing hostomel airport for the VDV on day 1 of invasion. Gets hit and takes emergency landing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLa3fZD1vXsBLUFOR but same equipment and outcome: Footage From INSIDE A Ukrainian Helicopter As It’s Shot Down |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:45:12 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Weird. But cool looking Kaman K-Max copters sound really strange too. They use one as a wildfire bird around here and it's got the craziest rotor whoosh I've ever heard. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:46:20 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ll never get better footage than this. kA52 clearing hostomel airport for the VDV on day 1 of invasion. Gets hit and takes emergency landing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLa3fZD1vXsWhat's the purpose of the string inside the cockpit? |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:48:47 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the purpose of the string inside the cockpit? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You’ll never get better footage than this. kA52 clearing hostomel airport for the VDV on day 1 of invasion. Gets hit and takes emergency landing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLa3fZD1vXsWhat's the purpose of the string inside the cockpit? Don’t know. I know on a lot of aircraft they literally are using off the shelf garmin like GPS devices. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 10:55:21 PM EDT
[#46]
They were kick ass in Battlefield2. We called em "Ratcopters" cuz they sorta looked like flying rats in the game.
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:01:11 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, no. Please, do elaborate. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:02:27 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Direct shooting MG, and rockets like it’s battlefield 3. gets hit and does an E landing with pilots un-assing with rifles and all. If y’all wanna see a KA52 you need to watch this. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You’ll never get better footage than this. kA52 clearing hostomel airport for the VDV on day 1 of invasion. Gets hit and takes emergency landing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLa3fZD1vXsDirect shooting MG, and rockets like it’s battlefield 3. gets hit and does an E landing with pilots un-assing with rifles and all. If y’all wanna see a KA52 you need to watch this. That is an epic clip. It has it all. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:03:02 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know enough about it on the technical side to make a real judgement. |
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Posted: 5/25/2023 11:05:23 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The Chinook has double the “steering parts” as well? That’s a new one. It has exactly what he described… Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree but double the spinning and steering parts seems scary. Like a Chinook? Pretty sure he means the coaxial, contra-rotating blades. The Chinook doesn’t have that. The Chinook has double the “steering parts” as well? That’s a new one. It has exactly what he described… |
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