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Posted: 10/13/2021 11:49:38 AM EDT
NRA Circling the Drain


Revenues are down dramatically. Membership is down dramatically. Influence on the Hill has all but disappeared. The headquarters building is mortgaged to the hilt and reported to be suffering from serious structural problems, particularly with the roof, which is reportedly leaking so badly that ceilings on the top floors have collapsed, forcing some offices to be relocated. Even Lloyds of London has refused to extend their liability insurance coverage for officers and directors. And the trial phase of the New York Attorney General’s suit against the NRA and its top executives is scheduled to begin in just a few more months.
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On top of all of that, there are now serious concerns about the state of the National Firearms Museum’s collection, and much of the concern is coming from the long-time Head Curator of that museum, Doug Wickford. I raised these concerns with several NRA Directors a couple of months ago, but unfortunately, those Directors who haven’t completely blocked me are on the outs with the “leadership,” and thus were unable to get any additional information. That means that rumors and speculation about the Museum and its vast collection of rare and unusual – not to mention extremely valuable – firearms remain just rumors and speculation. The fact that the former Head Curator has been blocked from even setting foot in the museum he helped to design and build, even for a farewell photo, has him concerned about what they might be afraid he’ll see – or won’t see – among the exhibits. His concerns lend significant gravity to the rumors and speculation.
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There have also been rumors and anonymous reports of NRA Directors and other “insiders,” cherry-picking through firearms that are donated to the NRA, prior to Museum staff having access to them, and before they go out to auction for benefit of the Association.
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With their “secret” meeting in Charlotte, and their overwhelming reelection of Wayne LaPierre and election of Charles Cotton President and David Coy 2nd Vice President, the Board has made it abundantly clear that they are fully committed to the current course, regardless of the desires of the members, or the laws that they’re supposed to operate under. Both Cotton and Coy testified in the failed bankruptcy trial, to their own failures and abuse of the Audit Committee. They both admitted that they’ve not bothered to hold Wayne LaPierre accountable for his multiple, self-confessed breaches of the Bylaws and policies of the NRA, and instructed the outside auditors to ignore LaPierre’s activities as well. These were the two “leaders” primarily responsible for making sure the NRA and its employees stayed on the straight and narrow, and they have confessed under oath to abdicating that responsibility, with no justification for that failure other than to say that they “trust Wayne.” And the response of the Board of Directors to this dereliction of duty was to elect them to the highest offices of the Board.
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It’s a tragic farce and it’s all going to come crashing down very soon.
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Whatever the end result, you can be sure that the NRA as we’ve known it for the past 150 years, is gone, and it will be many more years – if ever – before it will again be a serious player in US politics.
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I keep waiting to hear that your membership dues were spent on hookers and blow.  I don't see how it gets much worse, except for the NRA officers to be perp-walked for the cameras.  That could set gun rights advocacy back decades if the MSM can make hay of the corruption in the "gun lobby."

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:52:33 AM EDT
What’s the NRA?
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:56:17 AM EDT
If Wayne would just leave.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:56:40 AM EDT
all things come to an end .... the only unusual part is the fact that the NRA chose self-destruction
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:56:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
If Wayne would just leave.
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They just voted him back in.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:57:58 AM EDT
It seems that they too are intentionally destroying themselves from within.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:58:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ordersman:
all things come to an end .... the only unusual part is the fact that the NRA chose self-destruction
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These days is it really unusual?

I bet the dems made FWLP an offer for more suits to stay in and push the ship full speed ahead into that glacier.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:58:41 AM EDT
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Lifting valuable firearms from the collection......... as if misusing funds isnt enough. If I lent or donated a firearm to them I would be asking for it back
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 11:59:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tahawus:
What’s the NRA?
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Wayne and shit..
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:00:14 PM EDT
Heartbreaking really.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:00:17 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Spider1:
It seems that they too are intentionally destroying themselves from within.
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Seems to be a familiar theme with conservatives.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:00:34 PM EDT
Don’t even care.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:00:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
If Wayne would just leave.
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this.... I was at the range last week and even the range officers were making fun of him.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:01:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:02:15 PM EDT
LaPierrra and should have fallen on his sword years ago if he gave a fuck about the survival of the NRA.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:02:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
If Wayne would just leave.
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And yet they keep picking him.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:03:39 PM EDT
On top of all of that, there are now serious concerns about the state of the National Firearms Museum’s collection, and much of the concern is coming from the long-time Head Curator of that museum, Doug Wickford. I raised these concerns with several NRA Directors a couple of months ago, but unfortunately, those Directors who haven’t completely blocked me are on the outs with the “leadership,” and thus were unable to get any additional information. That means that rumors and speculation about the Museum and its vast collection of rare and unusual – not to mention extremely valuable – firearms remain just rumors and speculation. The fact that the former Head Curator has been blocked from even setting foot in the museum he helped to design and build, even for a farewell photo, has him concerned about what they might be afraid he’ll see – or won’t see – among the exhibits. His concerns lend significant gravity to the rumors and speculation.
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There was a great post in Team about this.  Cool pics, but sad that the Museum is probably going to be gutted to feed Wayne's gluttony.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:03:59 PM EDT
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Anybody remember Yertle the Turtle?
Fuck Wayne LaPierre will burn down the NRA and rule the ashes.

ETA: Read the By-Laws. He is locked in no matter what happens.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:05:14 PM EDT
WLP and the BoD are both worthless.  Anyone good has resigned or was forced out.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:05:57 PM EDT
Wayne rocks and fights.

Sometimes you need a new suit and trips to get the word out.

Peeps must keep supporting him, the board needs your money.

Fear mongering works.

I'll keep mines.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:08:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DocGlockster:

I don't see how it gets much worse, except for the NRA officers to be perp-walked for the cameras.  That could set gun rights advocacy back decades if the MSM can make hay of the corruption in the "gun lobby."
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Is the NRA still a thing? Haven't heard from them in ages

Frankly, the other organizations (FPC, GOA, SAF) have been doing a great job. Just look at how Biden's bills have been stuck in the Senate. Granted it is the filibuster holding them back from at least two Senators also have reservations about the bills such as HR-8. The funny thing is MSM and anti-2A groups always claimed it was the NRA stymying them yet with the NRA basically out of the picture they are still frustrated. It was never the NRA. They just had the loudest voice but not the only voice.

The "sad" fact that the MSM and anti-2A groups are going to realize is that the pro-2A side is a Hydra. Killing off the NRA only strengthens the multitude of remaining heads. And the NRA may very well reorganize without WLP, and the other perps, and find its voice again.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:09:17 PM EDT
I think a fundamental problem is that the corruption is so widespread that they either hang together or hang separately.

That's one reason it's not wise to give them any money for the foseeable future: it will just be squandered on lawyers.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:09:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
If Wayne would just leave.
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Why would he leave? The NRA has become his and his cronies personal fund.

This is how the oldest rights defender in the US ends. Taken over by corruption and incompetence and gutted by greed. It is like a microcosm of what is happening to the US.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:09:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By d16man:

They chose greed and power.  Hope Wayne enjoys his new suit.
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Hopefully his new suit is bright orange, with the word "corrections", "jail", or "prison" stenciled on the back.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:10:48 PM EDT
I thought my lifetime membership meant my lifetime, not the NRAs.  
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:10:54 PM EDT
I think I remember a thread not too long ago with someone who ran or worked for the museum and was leaving.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:12:47 PM EDT
I spoke with one of the telemarkets begging for more money last week.

told him, I see nothing on the action front from NRA, I see GOA (mostly) NMSSA doing a lot of work. but NRA seems to go missing.

his response, in a nutshell was 'those other orgs couldn't get things done why should we even try"

yeah, think real hard on that one bro, they try but failed, you gave up before trying.

Thats the NRA's problem and its Wayne's face attached to the problem.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:13:47 PM EDT
NRA is a microcosm for US sociopolitics.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:15:01 PM EDT
I personally know an insider extremely familiar with the top levels of the NRA.

He thinks nothing is wrong. He thinks Wayne is not at fault for anything and all accusations are made up lies to discredit the NRA.  It doesn’t matter what is said or what evidence is brought forward he is fully backing Wayne to the end.

It is like trying to convince a liberal of something. It doesn’t work. The minds are closed and the thoughts and opinions are set in stone.

The NRA will fold not because it couldn’t survive a transformation into a newer better organization. It will crash because the good old boys at the top are not going to change and will ride it into the ground.

It is sad. We definitely need a strong and effective pro 2nd lobbying organization.  What the NRA could have been will not come to be.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:15:26 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bssrf4:
I thought my lifetime membership meant my lifetime, not the NRAs.  
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Right?
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:17:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cancard:


Seems to be a familiar theme with conservatives.
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Somehow, I doubt that WLP and 'conservative' belong in the same paragraph.

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:19:55 PM EDT
@rongorongo
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:20:50 PM EDT
I guess i'm just amazed and somewhat shocked at the downfall of this organization.  Is it incompetence or is it malicious from the inside?

It has to be malice, right?
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:20:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
WLP and the BoD are both worthless.  Anyone good has resigned or was forced out.
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Yes, just like Neil Knox was forced out in the late 70s. He was the first to my knowledge that starting calling out the corruption of leadership and they kicked him off the board for doing so.
His editorial columns in Shotgun News were excellent.
God Bless him for standing up for what is right.
As for the rest of them, orange suits I hope.
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Originally Posted By 40xb:

That alone won't fix it. The people who kept Wayne in power will just do the same thing in order to keep their own.
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
If Wayne would just leave.

That alone won't fix it. The people who kept Wayne in power will just do the same thing in order to keep their own.


+1. Everyone on the board and most of its previous members are as crooked as Wayne.
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Originally Posted By ttushooter:
I guess i'm just amazed and somewhat shocked at the downfall of this organization.  Is it incompetence or is it malicious from the inside?

It has to be malice, right?
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Greed, not malice.  I don't think they care about rights one way or another, sabotaging them has just been their most profitable strategy.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:25:28 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cyclone:
Lifting valuable firearms from the collection......... as if misusing funds isnt enough. If I lent or donated a firearm to them I would be asking for it back
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I once had my entire collection willed to the NRA museum. Changed to to the Buffalo Bill museum in Cody, WY instead.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:26:20 PM EDT
It was intentionally destroyed from within.  Wayne Lapierre and company has been doing the bidding of our enemies from the day he took office.  No coincidence that as the once premiere progun rights organization crumbles, the socialists shriek louder than ever to take our guns.  It was never going to end any other way.  There will be blood, be it ours to appease their hatred and finally snuff out freedom, or theirs to atone for their insolence.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:29:07 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
If Wayne would just leave.
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Or die

There are more rats than him.  
He and a few others turned it into racket.  So why no RICO charges?   I’m sure the leftist DOJ and a lot of dem congressmen would love to go after them.
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Originally Posted By SonofLiberty1775:

Yes, just like Neil Knox was forced out in the late 70s. He was the first to my knowledge that starting calling out the corruption of leadership and they kicked him off the board for doing so.
His editorial columns in Shotgun News were excellent.
God Bless him for standing up for what is right.
As for the rest of them, orange suits I hope.
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@SonofLiberty1775

Neal Knox took over in '77 and was forced out in '97.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:30:23 PM EDT
The NRA has fully embraced the path of fraud and a trial. They hold the membership in very low regard. Same as politicians and voters.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:30:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ashiha:


These days is it really unusual?

I bet the dems made FWLP an offer for more suits to stay in and push the ship full speed ahead into that glacier.
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If he wasn’t actually continuing to work with them all along
Back from his days as a staffer for a democrat congressman
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:33:15 PM EDT
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With as many crooks as are in the NRA it should be renamed the Democratic NRA.

Joe and Hunter might become life members!
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:33:55 PM EDT
I knew they were dead after hurricane Katrina.
Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:35:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ttushooter:
I guess i'm just amazed and somewhat shocked at the downfall of this organization.  Is it incompetence or is it malicious from the inside?

It has to be malice, right?
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No one should be shocked, it’s been in the works for decades.

It’s a combination of incompetence and greed within the NRA leadership, apathy in the membership and cheap and lazy gun owners.

Link Posted: 10/13/2021 12:40:09 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By bssrf4:
I thought my lifetime membership meant my lifetime, not the NRAs.  
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Keep your Life Membership card, stickers, hats, etc.

There are antique stores who can sell them as early Americana memorabilia.

I had thirty years worth of American Rifleman stacked up in the basement. I've spent the past week cutting the address labels off the covers before dumping them in the recycling bin.

It's over for me.
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