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Posted: 2/23/2021 8:11:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 8:24:23 AM EST by DragoMuseveni]
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But why?

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FU Autocorrect.

Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:15:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 8:16:00 AM EST by uboat534]
Just May be the only weapon you can own soon.  Still a lot of work.  Even a sharps or smith carbine is self contained minus the percussion cap
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:20:51 AM EST
I mean that's nice and all but scrubbing the mofo down to the point that it doesn't rust up is the real annoyance.  

I suppose being able to drop that out if you don't get a shot is nice.

Also..  

"Breachloading Muzzle Loader"  
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:22:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 8:23:34 AM EST by pyle762]
More convenient for hunting if that's your thing

ETA thought this post was about a Ferguson Rifle
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:22:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 8:22:59 AM EST by DragoMuseveni]
Winchester's response to Federal.

.50-110 Winchester


Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:23:02 AM EST
No thanks.

I don't find my black powder rifles too complicated.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:24:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K06V4R-_9EM




But why?
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  Eliminates all the variables. Its a neat system but mind of takes away some of the nostalgia/challenge factor. If I was going to do that I will just use my 444 Marlin Handi Rifle which is considered primitive in MS.
  I have decided to hunt with my Hawken .50 sidelock exclusively next year.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:24:56 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MshakeMO:
I mean that's nice and all but scrubbing the mofo down to the point that it doesn't rust up is the real annoyance.  

I suppose being able to drop that out if you don't get a shot is nice.

Also..  

"Breachloading Muzzle Loader"  
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Fixed.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:27:28 AM EST
It's kind of cool.  I'd like to see that in a more traditional design with an octagonal barrel, brass fittings, wooden furniture, etc.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:31:45 AM EST
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It's more that it's completely contradictory.  

Poor rifle is going to get spit roasted out of confusion with a name like that.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:32:47 AM EST
CVA's muzzleloaders with the finger removable breech plug are just about as easy to unload as these IF you use pre-formed charges. And you don't have to use proprietary powder sleeves.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:34:17 AM EST
He should have fulled seated his slug, especially as the narration talks about how easy it is to get repeated results. I think that the slug was only in about 8".

It's loosely a muzzleloader, in that the slug is the only thing to be loaded from the muzzle. The only advantage that I can see to this is not getting loose powder in your breach threads when you unload. That has been the only drawback I've found in making the switch to powder vs pellets.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:36:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By MshakeMO:


It's more that it's completely contradictory.  

Poor rifle is going to get spit roasted out of confusion with a name like that.
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But it's accurate!  You load the powder from the breech and still load the round from the muzzle.  It's a muzzle loading breechloader!  Or a breechloading muzzle loader!  Or a muzzle...breech...loader...thing.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:49:39 AM EST
neat idea and convenient for sure but 2.50 per shot + primer + projectile - no thanks.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:52:38 AM EST
I’m going to go with no.  Short lived.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:57:33 AM EST
Taking a cap off the nipple at the end of the day has never phased me, and it sure as shit doesn’t cost $2.00 per trigger pull. I suppose it’ll sell to people wanting to exploit muzzleloader season for an extra tag
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 8:58:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By DaveManJack:
neat idea and convenient for sure but 2.50 per shot + primer + projectile - no thanks.
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How is this "neat" and convenient" , or even innovative?


The problem of measuring, and loading powder and projectile was solved over 150 years ago.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 9:19:50 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Tiempos_Peligrosos:
It's kind of cool.  I'd like to see that in a more traditional design with an octagonal barrel, brass fittings, wooden furniture, etc.
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What's old is new again. These were popular about 100 years ago. Pope was the most famous doing these.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 9:29:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 9:31:08 AM EST by Red_Blue]
That looks like a solution for a legal problem not a firearm technology solution. If you are going to breech load the powder and the primer as a cartridge, then muzzleloading the projectile makes absolutely no sense from a technical perspective. It only makes sense if it's the law (I assume this is because you can use this in the muzzleloading hunting season).

I've never understood the rationale for about half of the hunting restrictions. But if it was up to me, the muzzle loadign season would be flintlock and older tech only (wheellock, matchlock etc.). No percussions, no breech loading anything except priming powder through the flash hole. No plastic sabots. No plastic parts for ammunition whatsoever.

And then you could have your single shot season for gimmicks like this if it somehow makes sense to have yet another season for specialised hunting gear.

OTOH because most of hunting regs are pants on head retarded and most hunters are fudds, perhaps I should just care less.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 9:34:33 AM EST
It isn't a muzzle loader.

Not legal for hunting in some areas because it isn't loaded from the muzzle. Same reason you can't use a cap&ball revolver in those areas.

Not something I'd mess with. I shoot a lot of traditional BP guns including breechloaders. The modern in-line just doesn't appeal to me.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 9:38:42 AM EST
The point of breechloading was so you didn't have to ram the ball down the barrel and engrave it to the rifling.

This seems like a step backwards, and generally just an answer to a question that didn't need to be asked.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 9:40:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 9:41:43 AM EST
Confederates had a brass frame brass cartridge firearm.  Issued only in limited #s.  Name escapes me right now, but I recall seeing a rifle and carbine at Kennesaw (Grover Machine Works Civil War Museum)
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 11:12:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By AhoogahLoop:
The point of breechloading was so you didn't have to ram the ball down the barrel and engrave it to the rifling.

This seems like a step backwards, and generally just an answer to a question that didn't need to be asked.
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So it ain't a stretch to push the bullet in from the back or even sticking it in the plsstic case. Making it a no go for primitive hunting.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 11:12:55 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 4v50:
Confederates had a brass frame brass cartridge firearm.  Issued only in limited #s.  Name escapes me right now, but I recall seeing a rifle and carbine at Kennesaw (Grover Machine Works Civil War Museum)
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There were a number of them. Smith carbine, Maynard, Gallagher, etc
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 11:15:37 AM EST
Modern day primitive weapons seasons made sense for a limited point in time, and that time has passed, and now most of the new 'tech' in 'primitive' weapons is nothing more than gaming a system that should have been killed years ago.

But there's a ton of profit in such gimmicks, and as long as powders are corrosive, you'll have a fresh new crop of customers every year. And the 'primitive' makers lobby the states hard to keep the system as-is.

Link Posted: 2/23/2021 11:49:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 11:53:42 AM EST by 50-140]
That won't fly for primative hunting season here in Idaho.  The 209 primer is a no-no, as is the magnified optic, and the contained bullet may be considered a sabot, another thing not allowed.

What I find interesting is his using Hogdon 888 powder, it's another BP substitute, there's no data on the burning rate or anything else about it,  I only use Goex or Swiss.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 11:58:25 AM EST
Lets be honest, its designed to be a muzzle loader. Its designed to be legal in muzzle loader areas for the who want to hunt but not deal with loose powder. It is nothing but a loophole gun in some areas.

And for those who did not watch it all. the bullet has to be loaded from the front, there is a shelf that you load the bullet to. So if I had to guess the powder carrier is probably around 45 cal, and the bore is 50. No way to shove the bullet in from the rear.
Link Posted: 2/23/2021 1:28:37 PM EST
"A traditional bullet."

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