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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:52:37 AM EDT
Ladies and Gentlemen,

BLUF: Produce a one-stop-shop for alternatives to our tech giant overlords. (the low hanging fruit). Keep the suggestions and modifications coming!

This thread is not about doing the heavy lifting and research on a particular platform (add to a thread that already exists or start a new thread).
If a particular alternative is in question, I will annotate it and possibly remove it (this is expected as things develop).
Nothing will provide 100% security or be free. I will try to make things as transparent as possible if a particular platform comes with caveats (ie. made in china, donated to XYZ organization, Supports XYZ cause).
This is not a guilt trip. You or your SO might not give up FB or Insta. That is ok; all I ask is to try.

What I need your help on:
1. Recommend major areas that should have focus (Phones, Browsers, VPN, Online ordering services, Social medial, Video hosting).
2. Reply with links to threads. I will update the OP accordingly. This will help members become knowledgeable about a particular platform. It will also assist in the vetting process.


Video Hosting and Sharing- Avoid: YouTube
Alternative:
a. Rumble
b. Full30
c. Odysee or Lbry.TV
d. DTube
e. Bitchute
f. Gab TV
g. Ugetube
***Use nitter.net and invidious (list of instances at https://github.com/iv-org/documentation/blob/master/Invidious-Instances.md) when you want to link to twitter or youtube content, without sending traffic to them.  You can get a browser plugin like yt2invido (https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/374833-yt2invidio/discussions/34656) to convert links in your browser automatically. (suggested on pg2 of this thread)



Smartphone- Avoid: Apple , Android
Alternative:
a. Pinephone (link)
b. Gab Phone (pending release) (link)
c. Librem phone

Smart Phone in general- Avoid:
Alternative: (link)
a. Signal Secure Messanger
b. Blockada 5 Add Blocker
c. Duck Duck Go app and firefox plugin
d. telegram.org Messenger for phones and computers.

iOS Specific (link)
a. Place holder  
b. Place holder  
c. Place holder  

Android Specific (link)
a. F-Droid
b. GrapheneOS More secure operating system* (video)
c. lineageOS

Social Medial- Avoid: Facebook (link), Twitter, Youtube
Alternative:
a. Parler ***
b. Gab
c. Diaspora
d. Minds
e. MeWe (link)
f. Connectzing
g. WIMKIN
h. Spreely
i. PixelFed
j. Retrica
k. YouMeU.com (Link) Owned by a ARF member?

Messenger apps (some work on both phone and desktop Mac/PC)
a. Telegram Messenger for phones and computers.
b. Element


Web Browser- Avoid: Google, Firefox
Alternative:
a. Brave
b. Privacy Browser
c. Fennec
d. Tor Browser
e. Dissenter Browser
f. opera.com ** has VPN built-in but might run slow. Might support shady organization. More DD needed.
g. Zero Net "for really decentralized services"... should the be its own category?

Search Engine- Avoid: Google
Alternative:
a. duckduckgo *** Might sell you data
b. Startpage (uses Google, but keeps the user anonymous, insulated from ads, tracking, and data mining)
c. Startpage
d. Qwant (need more info please


Email Provider- Avoid: Gmail
Alternative: (link)
a. ProtonMail
b. GMX
c. Tutanota
d. FastMail
e. PrivateMail
f. Posteo
g. Mailbox.org
h. Mailfence

Online Ordering Services- Avoid: Amazon (Link) (link)
Alternative:
a. Place holder
b. Place holder
c. Place holder

VPN
Alternative: (link) (Team link)
a. ProtonVPN
b. SurfShark
c. Nord VPN
d. ExpressVPN
e. Private I nternet Access

Maps/navigation- Avoid: Google Maps, Apple Maps, Waze
Alternative:
a. PocketMaps
b. OsmAnd+
c. HEREwego
d. MapFactor Navigator

Streaming- Avoid: Netflix
Alternative:
a. Klowdtv Free
b. Roku Channel Free
c. Pluto.tv Free
d. Crackle Free
e. PopcornFlix Free
f. Fawsome.tv Free
g. Hoopla Free with Library Card

Photo Hosting- Avoid: Google Photo
Alternative:
a. Dropbox Not ideal?*
b. Onedrive Not ideal?*

Web Page Hosting Domains- Avoid: Godaddy, Enom, Namecheap, Google, Amazon
Alternative: (link)
a. Bluehost
b. Namecheap ** discussed in above link
c. Digitalocean
d. Joomla
e. Epik *might have caved to pressure in the past
f. Flywheel
g. Pair
h. Cloudflare
i. Enomcentral

Operating System- Avoid:
Alternative:
a. Linux/Unix

Calendar
a. GMX Organizer

Learning Resources:  
eff.org
Privacytools
Rob Braxman Tech
The Hated One



Thank you to @Cobalt-60 for doing a lot of the heavy lifting in this thread.

I encourage someone that is more crafty than I to assume responsibilities for this thread. I'll give it a shot for now and make it the "Unofficial" thread. With enough traction, it can be the Official thread.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:03:05 PM EDT
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This is needed right now
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:12:32 PM EDT
[#2]
I received an email from Gab this morning that they will soon be releasing their very own "Gab Phone" as an alternative to Android and iOS devices.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:18:22 PM EDT
[#3]
You should point out what the purpose of this list is, if it's security then you could be leading people astray.  Telling people to use phone or browser X and then they'll be secure is dangerous.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:23:37 PM EDT
[#4]
Need to add Odysee for video

https://odysee.com/
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:25:00 PM EDT
[#5]
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Noted. Do you have a suggestion?( not being sarcastic) Right now this is more of a vote with your dollars while having a security mindset.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:26:15 PM EDT
[#6]
Subscribed
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:30:13 PM EDT
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Noted. Do you have a suggestion?( not being sarcastic) Right now this is more of a vote with your dollars while having a security mindset.
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I don't, unfortunately, but a list for voting with your dollars is still important.  If nothing else, just state plainly somewhere that none of these things are a silver bullet and people need to act accordingly.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:33:19 PM EDT
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I don't, unfortunately, but a list for voting with your dollars is still important.  If nothing else, just state plainly somewhere that none of these things are a silver bullet and people need to act accordingly.
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Thank you. That better articulates what I tried to say with “there is no 100% solution”.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:37:26 PM EDT
[#9]
I've gone down the de-Google path (albeit not fully de-Googled). I found this website to be helpful with alternatives.

https://privacytools.io/

I will say ProtonMail and ProtonVPN have been fantastic from my experience with them.



Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:41:43 PM EDT
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I've gone down the de-Google path (albeit not fully de-Googled). I found this website to be helpful with alternatives.

https://privacytools.io/

I will say ProtonMail and ProtonVPN have been fantastic from my experience with them.



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+1

And I'll add some more from the EFF

eff.org
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:46:03 PM EDT
[#11]
Need to put duckduckgo.com under search engines
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:47:03 PM EDT
[#12]
What about maps/navigation?

Am I "supporting" Apple if I use Apple Maps? Same question for Google Map.

Is Waze a better choice?
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:48:20 PM EDT
[#13]
Tagged like a mo-fo
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:49:07 PM EDT
[#14]
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I've gone down the de-Google path (albeit not fully de-Googled). I found this website to be helpful with alternatives.

https://privacytools.io/

I will say ProtonMail and ProtonVPN have been fantastic from my experience with them.



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Can you pull elements out of that website that apply to the individual subcategory please? Provide the “so what” ... the “why”

Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:54:37 PM EDT
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What about maps/navigation?

Am I "supporting" Apple if I use Apple Maps? Same question for Google Map.

Is Waze a better choice?
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We want to limit traffic/use from these places. 100% elimination is not a reasonable goal with any of this. I am looking for a better way to articulate that.


This thread is not here to promote a guilty conscious if you do use a resource that is marked as "avoided".

Edit- alternatives that are low hanging fruits. Is that a good way to put it?
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 12:56:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/10/2021 1:01:12 PM EDT
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Great! That does a lot of the heavy lifting for social media!!!
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 1:06:15 PM EDT
[#18]
I've been happy with GMX mail.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 1:07:36 PM EDT
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Why? And do you have a link where  it has been discussed before?

(This is the content I will use for the Links that currently do not have hyperlinks)
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 1:08:07 PM EDT
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What about maps/navigation?

Am I "supporting" Apple if I use Apple Maps? Same question for Google Map.

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Waze was purchased by Google.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 1:10:33 PM EDT
[#21]
Thank you for doing this!

Is it possible to pin this thread? I know we can all bookmark it but I want our opposition to see this when they come here.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 1:12:14 PM EDT
[#22]
Maps/Nav has been my biggest holdout.  If there's a mobile app that works well I'll happily ditch google.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 1:14:20 PM EDT
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Why? And do you have a link where  it has been discussed before?

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I've been happy with GMX mail.

Why? And do you have a link where  it has been discussed before?

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I like it because it is free and not associated with Google or Apple.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMX_Mail

I'm willing to hear why it sucks though.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 2:06:17 PM EDT
[#24]
Making a lot of updates. I would like your input (links to threads) where members discuss a particular alternative.

I will also make edits to the main description.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 2:47:18 PM EDT
[#25]
bump

Need your support with recommended threads to link. This helps people make more informed decisions.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 3:32:13 PM EDT
[#26]
I switched to Brave with my home browser and duckduckgo for my iPhone browser. Both seem to work well and have been a seamless transition.

I may reorganize the list to put proven alternatives to the top. I will need additional input from the site to better curate, however.



Link Posted: 1/10/2021 3:33:14 PM EDT
[#27]
Dissenter Browser

It's by the folks that made Gab.

Gab TV

YouTube alternative from the same Gab folks.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 3:36:05 PM EDT
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Dissenter Browser

It's by the folks that made Gab.

Gab TV

YouTube alternative from the same Gab folks.
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Added. Thank you!
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 8:20:25 PM EDT
[#29]
These interest me.  Which is the best option for personal use?  Proton has piqued my interest but wonder if another is a better choice?

Email Provider- Avoid: Gmail(Link)
Alternative:
a. ProtonMail (link) (link)
b. GMX (link) (link)
c. Tutanota (link) (link)
d. FastMail (link) (link)
e. PrivateMail (link) (link)
f. Posteo (link) (link)
g. Mailbox.org (link) (link)
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 8:26:06 PM EDT
[#30]
Duck duck go also has a browser.  It's what I am using.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 8:31:33 PM EDT
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Mobile browser yes.  Do they have a desktop browser as well?
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 8:34:52 PM EDT
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Mobile browser yes.  Do they have a desktop browser as well?
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Duck duck go also has a browser.  It's what I am using.


Mobile browser yes.  Do they have a desktop browser as well?


Good question. I don't have a home PC.
Link Posted: 1/10/2021 9:50:49 PM EDT
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I do not think so.



Making a few updates to the format. I want to provide links to aid people with their research on what platform might work best for them... the pros and cons. Input needed!
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 9:46:09 AM EDT
[#34]
free bump for the OP
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 10:57:13 AM EDT
[#35]
https://www.startpage.com/


Startpage as a seach engine alternative to Google.  It uses Google, but keeps the user anonymous, insulated from ads, tracking, and data mining.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 11:00:23 AM EDT
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I plan to do another update today. Make some links to threads that talk about the platform. Open to new/better/diffrent ideas.

I made the change away from Google Chrome and have been very happy thus far. Brave on my PC and duckduckgo as my iOS browser. Shocked to see how much more data it block... I even ran add blocker on chrome.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 11:06:17 AM EDT
[#37]
Tag
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 11:40:17 AM EDT
[#38]
Thanks, OP
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 6:41:08 PM EDT
[#39]
Is this not real yet, folks?

I welcome input so I can update the OP. Your clicks = data = money. Stop feeding the beast.

Link Posted: 1/11/2021 8:01:49 PM EDT
[#40]
For Android Specific:

F-Droid

Android Apps that are free and open source.  No trackers, no Google.

A good place to start to de-Google your phone.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 8:03:39 PM EDT
[#41]
OST
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 9:28:51 PM EDT
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For Android Specific:

F-Droid

Android Apps that are free and open source.  No trackers, no Google.

A good place to start to de-Google your phone.
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Added. Thank you!

I think iOS is gonna be a little harder to flesh out.
Link Posted: 1/11/2021 10:46:37 PM EDT
[#43]
Looking for an Amazon alternative. Anyone has success with a particular site that is not Wish.com?
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 11:01:32 AM EDT
[#44]
Need suggestions for photo hosting. Added Dropbox and One Drive but I am not sure either is a good alternative.
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 12:25:45 PM EDT
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What about maps/navigation?

Am I "supporting" Apple if I use Apple Maps? Same question for Google Map.

Is Waze a better choice?
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doesnt waze app just piggyback off of googlemaps?
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 12:28:16 PM EDT
[#46]
anybody know much about ungoogled chromium browser? i use it and like it so far, combined with uBlock extension to blocks ads.  has the appearance of chrome, but is it completely separate from google?
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 1:16:41 PM EDT
[#47]
Need some help filtering domains/ web hosting list.
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 1:27:29 PM EDT
[#48]
Does anyone know how secure Outlook email is? Should someone using Outlook make the switch to Proton?
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 2:18:36 PM EDT
[#49]
I just closed my amazon account.
Link Posted: 1/12/2021 2:47:57 PM EDT
[#50]
Smartphone:

Librem phone (non-google OS, hardware kill switches)

Search Engine:

Startpage

Video Hosting and Sharing:

Ugetube

Maps/Navigation:

MapFactor Navigator (no data connection needed after installing maps)

Operating System:

Linux/Unix

https://linuxmint.com/

IF YOU MUST RUN ANDROID/GOOGLE, Blockada 5 will get rid of a lot of the crap. Haven't seen an ad since installing it.

Blockada 5


(These are in addition to, not instead of, items in OP's list)

EDIT: Didn't see where you wanted links...fixt
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