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Posted: 9/27/2021 8:29:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone who dismisses his writings based on his crimes likely hasn’t read any of his stuff. Completely writing off the validity of a person's beliefs because of their methods or overall opinion on things is for simpletons. You can agree with some of a person's beliefs without agreeing with all of them. You can agree with beliefs without agreeing with methods. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 8:33:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, you can't eat your cake and have it too.  |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 8:36:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's a genius in the literal sense. I've seen his IQ quoted as anywhere between 130-160+. He figured terrorism was the only way his message would spread, and I'm not endorsing what he did, but honestly he was probably right. I would say closer to 160 than 130. When he did his PhD board or whatever it's called, nobody in it could understand his thesis. They said there are probably 4-5 people in the world who could. Guy was a certifiable genius. Just crazy. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 8:36:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Look just because In his second year at Harvard, Kaczynski participated in a purposely brutalizing psychological experiment as part of project MK ultra ran by the CIA There is no evidence that this had any effect on him at all. Just pure coincidence. You'll be telling me next there were more than one person in the van and one of them was a German spy who was just let off to go back to Germany a free man. Kaczynski was one of the academic guys that he was warning us about. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 8:43:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would say closer to 160 than 130. When he did his PhD board or whatever it's called, nobody in it could understand his thesis. They said there are probably 4-5 people in the world who could. Guy was a certifiable genius. Just crazy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He's a genius in the literal sense. I've seen his IQ quoted as anywhere between 130-160+. He figured terrorism was the only way his message would spread, and I'm not endorsing what he did, but honestly he was probably right. I would say closer to 160 than 130. When he did his PhD board or whatever it's called, nobody in it could understand his thesis. They said there are probably 4-5 people in the world who could. Guy was a certifiable genius. Just crazy. Yeah, he actually earned a real PhD., not one of the many watered down, "diploma mill" PhD.'s that the academic world is churning out now, and has been for at least the last 15 years. MHO, YMMV, etc. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 8:47:02 PM EDT
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Nevermind.
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:21:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only real fault I could find in Industrial Society and it’s Future was the idea that mankind would ever let go of any of its technological advances and revert to a pre industrial revolution state. The very idea that it was possible seemed naive to me. I always felt that his assessment of our immediate needs being easily met and searching for purpose through surrogate activities hit the nail on the head 100%. Should be required reading. Anyone who dismisses his writings based on his crimes likely hasn’t read any of his stuff. Maybe I misread his intention, you might know better than me, but I thought Kascinskys point was that there was nothing that could be done about it. That the progression of scientific inquiry for profit made advancement inevitable. I don't think he actually thought it could be stopped because of exactly the reason you said. The world can't unknow anything, and the lure of the next discovery will always have beneficial impact. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:26:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He may have been correct, but he would still be a free man living in his cabin if he hadn’t mailed all those bombs out. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:29:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lololol  I found it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/hDE_GH69BfvzuyjPezN0rGAVhC_vCH02-VN0x0mm-2108563.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As another aside I saw a funny meme a few years ago about AnPrivs but I don't remember it fully. It was like a guy getting chased by a tiger but he's not allowed glasses or a firearm so that's the way it goes lol Lololol I found it. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425212/hDE_GH69BfvzuyjPezN0rGAVhC_vCH02-VN0x0mm-2108563.jpg 
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:30:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s the line his brother recognized and tipped off the FBI Huh, so being a pedant did him in. That's the version that actually conveys the idea, instead of the confusion the standard version can cause. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:30:51 PM EDT
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Oh yeah!
The FBI outta be watching THIS thread closely! 
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:32:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's a genius in the literal sense. I've seen his IQ quoted as anywhere between 130-160+. He figured terrorism was the only way his message would spread, and I'm not endorsing what he did, but honestly he was probably right. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I hate it when the nutjobs turn out to be right. Oh, I have no doubt he is a literal genius. I understand he was a brilliant mathematician before he decided he needed to murder people. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:37:37 PM EDT
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The original Ted talk. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:41:40 PM EDT
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Fascinating read on Kaczynski’s background and the general zeitgeist of other Ivy League grad students who went too far down some rabbit holes around that time.
Harvard and the Making of the Unabomber A series of purposely brutalizing psychological experiments may have confirmed Theodore Kaczynski’s still-forming belief in the evil of science while he was in college. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/ |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:42:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I misread his intention, you might know better than me, but I thought Kascinskys point was that there was nothing that could be done about it. That the progression of scientific inquiry for profit made advancement inevitable. I don't think he actually thought it could be stopped because of exactly the reason you said. The world can't unknow anything, and the lure of the next discovery will always have beneficial impact. Once you get up to paragraph 200 or so he starts detailing the world wide dismantling of the technological system. He seemed to recognize that it would take everyone being on board but neglected to acknowledge that revolutions are often fought by a small group with everyone else just going with the flow (this why I labeled his vision of technological revolution naive) |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:44:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bought this recently, haven’t got around to reading it, mostly cause I’ve heard it’s depressingly accurate. Im sure I’m on some list now, since I ordered it on Amazon. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/505655/Technological_Slavery_Kaczynski__Theodor-2108544.JPG When is the audio book going to be released? Who will narrate it? |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:44:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: His message may have been right, but killing and wounding innocents isn’t the way to get your point across. Kind of like a drone strike I heard about last month on some Taliban bombers...in Kabul..... oh wait! |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:49:29 PM EDT
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Would buying any of his books get your name on a list?
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:51:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would buying any of his books get your name on a list? Being a paid member of this site would
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, you can’t eat your cake and have it too. I see what you did there |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 9:59:45 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:07:10 PM EDT
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Just wondering, was it the FBI that told us all the things Ted did? They seem super reliable and trustworthy, I'm sure it's true and they wouldn't fabricate or coerce anything.
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:12:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He didn't just hate liberals... “The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth. Apparently it never occurs to them that you can't make rapid, drastic changes in the technology and the economy of a society without causing rapid changes in all other aspects of the society as well, and that such rapid changes inevitably break down traditional values.” That is also spot on. Most conservatives don't recognize that laissez faire capitalism is detrimental to things like traditionalism, nationalism, etc. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:12:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On a similar note but without discussing Ted, I was listening to a theological lecture after a run last month. The speaker opined we are both better off and worse from modern science. Tl;Dr follows: - Science moved slow early because early thinkers contemplated why. Put simply, we can't just find an antibiotic, because we need to know why it works. - This sucked because we can't always understand everything. So moving to a cause and effect science based approach was key. "This item seems to combat infection." brought us into a great period of huge discovery. - Now we never consider why and are comfortable hearing drug ads that even mention "This drug does X, but we don't even know how." Long story short he didn't even have an opinion, he was just making an observation. Basically it's because computers aren't good enough to make a functional model. Quantum computers are pretty good at molecular interactions and work is being done towards solving these problems. Will the effort survive Sam wants to put on a dress and be called Sally with the pronoun xi/xem and you're fired if you don't take some experimental vaccine full of graphene oxide and don't offend the gynocentric social order with any of your science or you're cancelled? Maybe, maybe not. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:14:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He may have been correct, but he would still be a free man living in his cabin if he hadn’t mailed all those bombs out. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:14:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:18:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only real fault I could find in Industrial Society and it’s Future was the idea that mankind would ever let go of any of its technological advances and revert to a pre industrial revolution state. The very idea that it was possible seemed naive to me. I always felt that his assessment of our immediate needs being easily met and searching for purpose through surrogate activities hit the nail on the head 100%. Should be required reading. Anyone who dismisses his writings based on his crimes likely hasn’t read any of his stuff. It's a silly idea because we know that there are periodic, life-sterilizing events on the planet - big enough asteroids/comets, local gamma ray bursts, rogue planets, etc... Mankind has to reach a certain high level of technology (and we haven't, yet) to solve these threats, or it is a suicidal path. Dead end. Might as well flavor aide all of us now and get it over with. Totally pointless to continue. Also, the asteroid with our name on it doesn't care about the gender makeup of the team that creates the weapon to deflect it. 
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:20:42 PM EDT
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There's a lot of horrible people that have some accurate and insightful views, then they go off the rails and it's a shit show.
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:28:21 PM EDT
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Nut job.
He hated his closest neighbor who ran a sawmill, because trees were being cut down to make lumber and the sawmill was noisy. Yet he bought lumber and plywood that came from trees manufactured in a sawmill to build his cabin. What sense did that make? His whole deal was to bomb to force the publication of his manifesto to the masses. This resulted in his capture. He may have been a genius in mathematics but he was not a genius in any other area of life. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:34:20 PM EDT
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Environmentalist extremists ultimately just hate humanity.
To a degree I can sympathize. (Not to the being a terrorist bomber degree though, for the record.) |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:40:19 PM EDT
[#31]
Why have our eggs in one basket?
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:42:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The original Ted talk. 
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:45:25 PM EDT
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He's a dipshit luddite.
Sure, he might score high on the Stanford-Binet, but that fucker probably has a hard time tying his shoelaces because he recognizes them as a technological asset. Dipshit. |
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Posted: 9/27/2021 10:53:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wondering, was it the FBI that told us all the things Ted did? They seem super reliable and trustworthy, I'm sure it's true and they wouldn't fabricate or coerce anything. There's that, too. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 7:36:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:11:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nut job. He hated his closest neighbor who ran a sawmill, because trees were being cut down to make lumber and the sawmill was noisy. Yet he bought lumber and plywood that came from trees manufactured in a sawmill to build his cabin. What sense did that make? His whole deal was to bomb to force the publication of his manifesto to the masses. This resulted in his capture. He may have been a genius in mathematics but he was not a genius in any other area of life. Quite guy, kept to himself But the dogs hated him |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:17:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He may have been correct, but he would still be a free man living in his cabin if he hadn’t mailed all those bombs out. Deep insight. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 11:51:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: - Now we never consider why and are comfortable hearing drug ads that even mention "This drug does X, but we don't even know how." . Choked on my coffee watching that ad a few weeks ago. Nice list of side effects too! |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 11:58:01 AM EDT
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I thought Ted took information from the movie Terminator... Just a coincidence I suppose...
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Posted: 9/28/2021 12:02:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only real fault I could find in Industrial Society and it’s Future was the idea that mankind would ever let go of any of its technological advances and revert to a pre industrial revolution state. The very idea that it was possible seemed naive to me. I always felt that his assessment of our immediate needs being easily met and searching for purpose through surrogate activities hit the nail on the head 100%. Should be required reading. Anyone who dismisses his writings based on his crimes likely hasn’t read any of his stuff. Exactly this. Just like Timothy McVeigh. His chosen targets were a crime and a sin. His motivations and insights, however, frequently make a great deal of sense The opposite of Blood's assessment of Quilla June "She had marvelous judgement, but did not have particularly good "taste.". |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 12:12:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nut job. He hated his closest neighbor who ran a sawmill, because trees were being cut down to make lumber and the sawmill was noisy. Yet he bought lumber and plywood that came from trees manufactured in a sawmill to build his cabin. What sense did that make?\ The classic Henry David Thoreau Paradox. Who made the axe he used to chop firewood while living at Walden Pond? |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 3:25:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The classic Henry David Thoreau Paradox. Who made the axe he used to chop firewood while living at Walden Pond? More to the point, who fed him and washed his clothes? Whose yard was he living in? Thoreau was a potemkin primitive. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 8:58:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: More to the point, who fed him and washed his clothes? Whose yard was he living in? Thoreau was a potemkin primitive. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The classic Henry David Thoreau Paradox. Who made the axe he used to chop firewood while living at Walden Pond? More to the point, who fed him and washed his clothes? Whose yard was he living in? Thoreau was a potemkin primitive. Rationalizations are always easy to come by for idealists. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:15:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've never read his entire manifesto, just the bullet points that seem to agree with my take on society. I've heard it goes off the rails though. Do you remember the Saudi Arabia purge thread? I kinda wish it was archived and entered into the Library of Congress. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:44:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you remember the Saudi Arabia purge thread? I kinda wish it was archived and entered into the Library of Congress. Yeah, that went left quick. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 9:58:07 PM EDT
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I think a better question is: what does it say about our society that we were not able to execute this murderer? I think it says that we are immoral.
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Posted: 9/28/2021 10:30:43 PM EDT
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How did Theodore get accepted into a graduate program when he only had a 3.1 gpa for his undergraduate degree?
Most people that go into those graduate mathematics programs have a 4.0 in undergraduate school and consider the bachelor's degree a joke. |
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Posted: 9/28/2021 11:56:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: I just re-read Ted's Manifesto (or at least scanned the first 62 paragraphs...). Current events vaguely reminded me of the first time I read it decades ago. The guy correctly analyzed almost all aspects of Liberal's need to destroy the USA and obediently yield every aspect of their lives to big government or corporations. Unlike George Orwell who predicted a bit earlier timeline, Ted predicted a longer timeline but was MORE ACCURATE! Washington Post's publication of Ted Kaczynski's Manifesto. I also never realized that he's published a number of books while in prison. Funny you bring this up, it was just yesterday I was thinking the same thing. |
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Posted: 9/29/2021 12:14:22 AM EDT
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If he had friends and was getting laid on a regular basis would he have decided to live in the woods alone and murder people?
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