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Posted: 8/15/2022 2:53:38 PM EDT
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I doubt India is getting rid of the caste system any time soon.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:01:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt India is getting rid of the caste system any time soon. I've read that the caste system is softening in India in some important ways as the country develops. However... Indian migrants for the most part seem to be more dedicated to maintaining the caste system than those who stay home. The ultimate irony to me is that as the masters of our society shove a neo-feudal future down our throat, a caste system is a very useful tool for keeping people in their place. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:05:17 PM EDT
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This isn't India so that's a common sense move. If a person wants to move here but isn't willing to leave their baggage behind, then don't even bother, at least that's how it would be in a non clown world ran country which this is anything but today.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:09:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt India is getting rid of the caste system any time soon. The article says it's actually outlawed in India, officially at least Curious to see this sort of mixed response from them I.e. some explicitly extending beyond the CRA 1964's protected classes, some very mum or even saying we don't have to do anything, it isn't illegal (which seems like some shaky legal ground) |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:13:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've read that the caste system is softening in India in some important ways as the country develops. However... Indian migrants for the most part seem to be more dedicated to maintaining the caste system than those who stay home. The ultimate irony to me is that as the masters of our society shove a neo-feudal future down our throat, a caste system is a very useful tool for keeping people in their place in such a system. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I doubt India is getting rid of the caste system any time soon. I've read that the caste system is softening in India in some important ways as the country develops. However... Indian migrants for the most part seem to be more dedicated to maintaining the caste system than those who stay home. The ultimate irony to me is that as the masters of our society shove a neo-feudal future down our throat, a caste system is a very useful tool for keeping people in their place in such a system. Small sample size but I’ve seen it both ways. One of the smartest, hardest working, and fair colleagues I know is an Indian immigrant that’s reached a director level position. Of course I’ve met a couple others that check all the stereotype boxes. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:14:54 PM EDT
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Very much doubt anything will change soon.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:36:44 PM EDT
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It's RAMPANT in the it and related fields.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:41:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I doubt India is getting rid of the caste system any time soon. Its technically not legal, but how do you enforce that when the police, judges, teachers, etc. all participate in it? As the other poster said, it will soften as the generations pass. The caste system is probably why India was always steps behind China historically in economic output and why it was so thoroughly exploited by the British. Great for stability when the average human was a dirt farmer, crap for everything else. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:44:05 PM EDT
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Apple should boycott India in a show of wokeness.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:50:56 PM EDT
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None of this would be a problem if Silly-Con Valley didn't rely on cheap turd-world workers to fill positions ranging from toilet scrubber all the way up to CEO.
How can anyone effectively scrub a toilet when they never seen, let alone used before?  |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:58:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None of this would be a problem if Silly-Con Valley didn't rely on cheap turd-world workers to fill positions ranging from toilet scrubber all the way up to CEO. How can anyone effectively scrub a toilet when they never seen, let alone used before? There's an episode of the fighter pilot podcast where they interviewed an Indian Air Force Mig-21 pilot. When he mustered out he started several companies including a company that made bathroom fixtures. When he mentioned that I couldn't help but think, "well, this guy has made his country an objectively less crappy place." |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 3:59:01 PM EDT
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When I was in elementary school in the 60s, we read about India and the text said the caste system was going away.
I didn't believe a word of it. Sadly, since then my cynicism about what people told me was true, has insured I'm usually right. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:02:16 PM EDT
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I have no doubt that there are people who do discriminate based on caste or many other things. My employer was sued and won this lawsuit.
https://americankahani.com/perspectives/cisco-caste-discrimination-lawsuit-results-in-similar-complaints-from-tech-workers-in-silicon-valley/ |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:08:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:22:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The article says it's actually outlawed in India, officially at least Curious to see this sort of mixed response from them I.e. some explicitly extending beyond the CRA 1964's protected classes, some very mum or even saying we don't have to do anything, it isn't illegal (which seems like some shaky legal ground) It’s as strong as ever….the Dalits started to convert to Christianity to get around the Caste system so the Hindu nationalists started killing converts and even the missionaries preaching to them. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:24:23 PM EDT
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Don't they think poors deserve it and should be bullied because that's what they reincarnated as? I remember hearing something like that.
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Posted: 8/15/2022 4:27:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've read that the caste system is softening in India in some important ways as the country develops. However... Indian migrants for the most part seem to be more dedicated to maintaining the caste system than those who stay home. The ultimate irony to me is that as the masters of our society shove a neo-feudal future down our throat, a caste system is a very useful tool for keeping people in their place in such a system. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I doubt India is getting rid of the caste system any time soon. I've read that the caste system is softening in India in some important ways as the country develops. However... Indian migrants for the most part seem to be more dedicated to maintaining the caste system than those who stay home. The ultimate irony to me is that as the masters of our society shove a neo-feudal future down our throat, a caste system is a very useful tool for keeping people in their place in such a system. I worked with a guy who was Brahman or whatever. He said it’s not that big of a thing anymore, and kinda going away. Of course it’s hard to speak in generalities when you’re speaking about 1+ billion people, so I’m sure there’s tons of exceptions. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I worked with a guy who was Brahman or whatever. He said it’s not that big of a thing anymore, and kinda going away. Of course it’s hard to speak in generalities when you’re speaking about 1+ billion people, so I’m sure there’s tons of exceptions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I doubt India is getting rid of the caste system any time soon. I've read that the caste system is softening in India in some important ways as the country develops. However... Indian migrants for the most part seem to be more dedicated to maintaining the caste system than those who stay home. The ultimate irony to me is that as the masters of our society shove a neo-feudal future down our throat, a caste system is a very useful tool for keeping people in their place in such a system. I worked with a guy who was Brahman or whatever. He said it’s not that big of a thing anymore, and kinda going away. Of course it’s hard to speak in generalities when you’re speaking about 1+ billion people, so I’m sure there’s tons of exceptions. I met with several this weekend, one of which is a very wealthy company owner, they would rather forget about the caste system altogether. They said it's still practiced in the rural and tribal areas, but not in the developed parts of the country. But ultimately it still exists and it will take time to disappear. |
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Posted: 8/15/2022 5:08:48 PM EDT
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How many Untouchables are receiving H1B's as tech hires?
I could go into stories about selling used cars to FOB Microsoft H1B's, but it's enough to say that in my opinion, we would be better off as a nation if NO ONE was allowed to emigrate from India to the US. |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:17:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many Untouchables are receiving H1B's as tech hires? I could go into stories about selling used cars to FOB Microsoft H1B's, but it's enough to say that in my opinion, we would be better off as a nation if NO ONE was allowed to emigrate from India to the US. Well I've been told we don't have the people for it! We need access to the entire planet to find people qualified for h1b work, and it totally isn't just to depress wages and increase profits for prog companies. Labor certification is a rigorous process 
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Posted: 8/16/2022 2:20:38 AM EDT
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Caste system isn't the only problem. There's also systemic nepotism and corruption to deal with.
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:03:14 AM EDT
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This video is a great primer on how India operates.
Riding a C90 through India -  Riding a C90 through India |
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Posted: 8/16/2022 4:48:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apple should boycott India in a show of wokeness. Apple is as about as exploitative as a company can be. Wokeness is their impervious front. |
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