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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:36:13 AM EDT
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Too much weird sex
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Posted: 10/19/2019 12:46:26 AM EDT
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After how much Hollywood fucked up Starship Troopers, do you really want to see them go after another Heinlein story?
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Posted: 10/19/2019 1:00:32 AM EDT
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Heinlein has had about 2 movies I can think of made from his books: Starship Troopers (a stinker), and The Puppet Masters (a fairly good representation of the book). (He also worked on "Destination Moon," a 1950 George Pal production.) His very obvious patriotism has made a lot of producers shy away from his work... it doesn't "fit their narrative."
Stranger would make a good miniseries if you wanted to make the whole book the way it should be made. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 2:48:03 AM EDT
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Back in the days of great films like Citizen Kane, The Fountainhead, etc Hollyweird MIGHT, I SAY MIGHT have had the talent and ability to do the strory justice. Since the 1970s, no freakin' way. The infestation of communists and basically just shitty people in hollywood and their fucked up agendas would have totally ruined the movie. While I would have loved to see a movie, I'll never go see it if it ever gets made in my lifetime.
They can never do justice to my mind's eye view of the story, that RAH so wonderfully created for me. That is what really top authors are able to do. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 5:16:50 AM EDT
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Too many complex issues and concepts that simpletons cannot grok.
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Posted: 10/19/2019 8:57:41 AM EDT
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Any time a Heinlein book goes past about 400 pages it degenerates into weird and incomprehensible sexual fantasies.
Those are hard to depict on-screen. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 9:59:25 AM EDT
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I read that book last yer. It went off the rails in the middle and then went over a cliff into a pool of lava. Moe and more bizarre. Heinlein must have started smoking Drano
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:09:51 PM EDT
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Totally bypassing how Hollywood would dumb-down & SJW-up the story, I fear who they'd want to cast.
Will Smith as Jubal. Shia Lebouef as Mike. The cast of the latest Ghostbusters movie as Jubal's girls. |
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:29:19 PM EDT
[#9]
 Iron Maiden - Stranger In A Strange Land (Official Video) 
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Posted: 10/19/2019 10:56:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Too much weird sex you grok? |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:11:46 AM EDT
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Agreed, Moon is a harsh mistress would play much better to a modern audience.
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:13:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Any time a Heinlein book goes past about 400 pages it degenerates into weird and incomprehensible sexual fantasies. Those are hard to depict on-screen. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:15:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I read that book last yer. It went off the rails in the middle and then went over a cliff into a pool of lava. Moe and more bizarre. Heinlein must have started smoking Drano |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:15:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
After how much Hollywood fucked up Starship Troopers, do you really want to see them go after another Heinlein story? |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:18:55 AM EDT
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I grok a Hollywood movie about this would be a wrongness.
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:20:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I came here to say this! Definitely beyond hollyweird these days. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:22:14 AM EDT
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I read that book last yer. It went off the rails in the middle and then went over a cliff into a pool of lava. Moe and more bizarre. Heinlein must have started smoking Drano Starts out a fun sci fi adventure, and turns into a tedious sex thing with the women nagging the guy incessantly. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:23:42 AM EDT
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Glory Road would be a great movie, as would a true adaptation of Starship Troopers.
Friday would be pretty cool, Citizen of the Galaxy too. |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:30:58 AM EDT
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Quote History |
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Posted: 10/20/2019 12:38:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/20/2019 1:38:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Glory Road would be a great movie, as would a true adaptation of Starship Troopers. Friday would be pretty cool, Citizen of the Galaxy too. 
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Posted: 1/4/2020 10:16:07 AM EDT
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Because the book was terrible, so why make it into a movie?
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Posted: 1/4/2020 11:25:13 AM EDT
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I read that last year. It had such great promise, and then it went sideways, fast and hard.
justification for group sex is what it looked like, with mystical alien ghosts and hatred and caricature of Christianity |
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Posted: 1/4/2020 7:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Glory Road would be a great movie, as would a true adaptation of Starship Troopers. Friday would be pretty cool, Citizen of the Galaxy too. |
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Posted: 1/6/2020 10:10:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think The Moon is a Harsh Mistress would make a good movie but there’s lots of weird sex. Not crucial to the story so the polyamorous marriage stuff could easily be left out. |
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Posted: 1/7/2020 11:31:21 AM EDT
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As fucked up as the Starship Troopers and Ender's Game movies were with what were fairly straightforward stories and relatively simple concepts, imagine what horrifying monstrosity would come out of a Stranger in a Strange land movie.
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Posted: 1/16/2020 7:26:43 PM EDT
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I think Friday would make a much better movie.
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Posted: 1/16/2020 7:51:31 PM EDT
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They are making a TV show.
First link off the googles. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/stranger-a-strange-land-tv-series-works-at-syfy-947671 |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 6:29:29 AM EDT
[#29]
Virginia died in 2003; I wonder who owns his properties?
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Posted: 1/18/2020 7:24:01 AM EDT
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No car chases, explosions, or nudity.
CGI would be lame, yo. |
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Posted: 1/18/2020 8:01:55 AM EDT
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That book was one I never needed to read a 2nd time. I got through it, just never felt the need to read it again.
Now, Starship Troopers? I think I've read it 9 times over the years. |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:08:31 PM EDT
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How about Job: A Comedy of Justice?
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:15:49 PM EDT
[#33]
Too much weird sex.
But, also lots of long-winded exposition which I like, but which doesn't translate into thrilling cinema. The first act is awesome though; it could be a complete movie all on its own. Jubal Harshaw is maybe my favorite literary character at the moment. If you want to see something close, check out the Star Trek the Original Series episode "Charlie X." There might be a TV series coming though: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/stranger-a-strange-land-tv-series-works-at-syfy-947671 |
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Posted: 2/18/2020 7:19:57 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
No car chases, explosions, or nudity. CGI would be lame, yo. |
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Posted: 2/26/2020 7:52:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Glory Road would be a great movie, as would a true adaptation of Starship Troopers. Friday would be pretty cool, Citizen of the Galaxy too. I have thought the same for Glory Road. |
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Posted: 3/29/2020 10:05:35 AM EDT
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Tunnel In The Sky would make a great action movie. Of Hollywood didn't go all SJW on it.
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Posted: 4/25/2020 12:01:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No car chases, explosions, or nudity. CGI would be lame, yo. I don't know about that. Jill and Mike wind up in Las Vegas. She gets a job as a Showgirl with its implied nudity. I've oftened wondered how the scene where she explains to Mike about the concept of pornography would be done. She does several different poses for him. All the way from CoC Permissible to probable Hard-Core spread legs. Off hand the camera would probably exclusively be on his face |
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Posted: 4/25/2020 2:22:17 AM EDT
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Okquestion: Who would you cast for this movie?
Lee Marvin would have made a kickass Jubal Harshaw! |
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Posted: 10/28/2020 12:44:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any time a Heinlein book goes past about 400 pages it degenerates into weird and incomprehensible sexual fantasies. Those are hard to depict on-screen. Yeah. You're not getting mother fucking to be a universal concept, and his women were sex objects...period. That won't fly today. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 5:32:32 AM EDT
[#40]
I'd much rather see a proper adaptation of Starship Troopers.
Stranger in a Strange Land was... decent. But it stopped making sense about 2/3 of the way through. Like did Mike become God? Are the Old Ones Earth angels? Is there any explanation for why Fosterism seems to be the True religion? I read it, and liked it. Probably won't read again. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 5:36:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/9/2020 7:00:55 AM EDT
[#42]
it started good and then went off the rails, three times.
I had to work hard to bring myself to finish it. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 7:45:37 AM EDT
[#43]
He kinda got weird after 1980, Number of the Beast started out good but went off the rails also. Friday was one of his best stories actually. Job and The Cat and then there was Beyond the Sunset...
Moon would probably make the best screenplay of all his stories, ST just needs to be handled correctly. Stranger was just crap at the end. I met him in 1976, he was already starting to go LRon then. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 8:36:15 AM EDT
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Maybe Denis Vilenueve can make one, I'd prefer The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, though Stranger in a Strange Land is equally great. Either way, the masses will miss the political context.
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Posted: 11/9/2020 9:06:11 AM EDT
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I've read Starship Troopers 9 times, maybe 10. Will read it a few more times till I stop reading (and breathing). Awesome book full of awesome ideas.
Stranger in a Strange Land? Read it once 35 or 40 years ago. Never felt the need to read it again. I have read Glory Road two or three times. Also a pretty good book. Read some of the others a couple times each. Like Farnham's Freehold. If they want to make a movie, use one of the good books. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 12:19:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He kinda got weird after 1980, Number of the Beast started out good but went off the rails also. Friday was one of his best stories actually. Job and The Cat and then there was Beyond the Sunset... Moon would probably make the best screenplay of all his stories, ST just needs to be handled correctly. Stranger was just crap at the end. I met him in 1976, he was already starting to go LRon then. I’m going to go with 1970 as the start of the weird blossom. Then no output for several years. Then enough blood flow restored to the brain for a handful more of kind of weird books. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 1:45:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd much rather see a proper adaptation of Starship Troopers. Stranger in a Strange Land was... decent. But it stopped making sense about 2/3 of the way through. Like did Mike become God? Are the Old Ones Earth angels? Is there any explanation for why Fosterism seems to be the True religion? I read it, and liked it. Probably won't read again. Mike became God in the sense that all of us are God. It's a common belief in some belief systems. The Martian Old Ones are not Earthly angels. They have different systems on different planets, explained in at least 2 different places in the book: One of the colonists left behind by the Captain died; the Old Ones cherished the wounded spirit and sent it home, indicating that he didn't have a place with the Old Ones. Later, when Foster is talking to the Fosterite Archbishop who Mike killed, he's warned to keep his hands off; "they have their own setup over there." Nowhere in the book does Heinlein say that Fosterism is the true religion; it IS a dominant religion because they are extremely violent and intolerant of other religions. There's a long dissertation on why so many people join Fosterism. If you don't remember it, go re-read the book. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 1:48:29 PM EDT
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Did I mention that I grew up wanting to be Rufo?
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Posted: 11/9/2020 1:54:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Heinlein's adept, thoughtful, and original exploration of the human condition, through the eyes of an alien in the extraordinary and prescient "Stranger in a Strange Land" has no equal in literature.... Why has there NOT been a screen adaptation ? Is it possible the audience hasn't yet been invented ? At least 2 reasons that Heinlein is a 'hands-off' author: 1. At the end of his life, he was fairly hard-core conservative: pro-gun, pro- liberty, anti-authoritarian. He was virulently pro-American, and supported most such ideals. For that reason alone, Hollywierd won't touch him. 2. He was also a libertine. Apparently his personal life supported this: free sex, etc. In his later books he also supported close-order incest, i.e. parent and child, or between siblings. He believed that if no one gets hurt, any behavior is GTG. I generally like his political thought but the incest thing is still too much a taboo. Give it 10 more years. |
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Posted: 11/9/2020 4:15:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mike became God in the sense that all of us are God. It's a common belief in some belief systems. The Martian Old Ones are not Earthly angels. They have different systems on different planets, explained in at least 2 different places in the book: One of the colonists left behind by the Captain died; the Old Ones cherished the wounded spirit and sent it home, indicating that he didn't have a place with the Old Ones. Later, when Foster is talking to the Fosterite Archbishop who Mike killed, he's warned to keep his hands off; "they have their own setup over there." Nowhere in the book does Heinlein say that Fosterism is the true religion; it IS a dominant religion because they are extremely violent and intolerant of other religions. There's a long dissertation on why so many people join Fosterism. If you don't remember it, go re-read the book. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'd much rather see a proper adaptation of Starship Troopers. Stranger in a Strange Land was... decent. But it stopped making sense about 2/3 of the way through. Like did Mike become God? Are the Old Ones Earth angels? Is there any explanation for why Fosterism seems to be the True religion? I read it, and liked it. Probably won't read again. Mike became God in the sense that all of us are God. It's a common belief in some belief systems. The Martian Old Ones are not Earthly angels. They have different systems on different planets, explained in at least 2 different places in the book: One of the colonists left behind by the Captain died; the Old Ones cherished the wounded spirit and sent it home, indicating that he didn't have a place with the Old Ones. Later, when Foster is talking to the Fosterite Archbishop who Mike killed, he's warned to keep his hands off; "they have their own setup over there." Nowhere in the book does Heinlein say that Fosterism is the true religion; it IS a dominant religion because they are extremely violent and intolerant of other religions. There's a long dissertation on why so many people join Fosterism. If you don't remember it, go re-read the book. I just finished reading it last week, I remember it fine. There's a lot of incoherence in it. |
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