Yep, it is still a better franchise than Trek. I guess more action oriented than overly intellectual.

Of course,  I used to think Trek was more SJW, but the new SW movies might be taking the title.

Are you out of your vulcan mind?

not really...I just never had a chance to nerd out and say that lol.

Seperate but equal.  :)

Star Trek was more socialist than star wars

Nope.

Sounds good to me.
I grew up with both and I loved both.

I thought this was settled science [fiction].

I like both and consider them entirely different.

I am not a big fan of the Star Trek reboots and definitely don't like the last two Star Wars movies. Rogue One was awesome and Solo wasn't too bad.

Star Wars has no space hippies.

Jedi are not hippies.  Jedi are more of a heavily armed cult.

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Nope - can't be done.

Comparing apples and Vulcans.

I prefer SW.
But ST TOS I don’t think was socialist.  Look at the episode with the Yangs and Coms, and Kirk reading the Constitution
ST TNG was commie and SJW.  Especially their movies, and the warp drive equivalency with global warming undertone episode.
ST voyager wasn’t much of anything other than jerri Ryan when she came on, and Enterprise I did not detect much in the way of politics

Yay brother

I'm sure these three were seen on the streets of Berkeley and San Francisco within the past two minutes.

They'd be under attack for being conservative and probably Trump supporters based on their looks alone.

Charles Napier showed himself to be a very versatile actor.

The same guy with the blue costume and weird stringed instrument is the same guy in this uniform.

Agreed!
Also,  original trilogy are the only movies worth watching.

Disney needs to throw mary sue the jedi down the memory hole.

truth

Aw, crap. Now you’ve started the nerd boogaloo.....

ST:E >>> ST:V

Because Vulcan boobs better than Borg boobs.

JJ Abrams ruined both so they are now equal

Grew up on SW. The prequels were, meh. Loved Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, everything else was OK, but not close to what the original trilogy novelization envisioned. (Which was written with the help of Lucas, so...) The Force Awakens was cool, I thought. Last Jedi was, meh. About the level of the prequels. Honestly though, George would not have done any better.

Always disliked Star Trek. Too talky. Then they did the JJ Abrams movies and I liked those a lot.

I would have agreed with you right up until 1999.

It comes down to this: What wins wars, replicator tech, or the Force?

Replicator tech/transporter tech (same thing) never used effectively.

Two different forms of story telling.  Each has it's entertainment value.

I agree.

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i think those phasors are wimpy compared to turbolasers. and proton torpedoes are boring.
star wars wins on coolness. This is of course before Disney.

I would rather be forced to watch the Rey trilogy over and over than watch Picard and Discovery bullshit

Sure, but let’s look at the original medium of both.
Say, compare the original Star Trek series to the original Star Wars trilogy.

Star Trek original series was typical episodic fare.
Kirk could spend a year abandoned on a planet with a whole new life, get rescued,
Or Spock could see the love of his life killed.
Or some major event along those lines, and the next episode would go on like nothing had happened.
It drew on plots, props, costumes, concepts that were essentially recycled from other genres of episodic television.
It had very few episodes and writing from high caliber pools.  It’s creator essentially had a concept, not so much novel as a pastiche and collage - and was not formally trained and educated in the field.  A lot of TOS was phoned in on a shoestring budget by hacks.

Lucas was a true student of film and cinema and professionally trained and educated at the graduate level.  With world class fellow students in a high quality density environment. He drew inspiration and concepts from golden age space opera, renown film accomplishments, rich literature such as the Lensman and Dune.  With a driven obsession and a key hero cycle framework and a compulsion that was far from phoning it in.  

Now, some of the best Trek was yet to come.  With the most highly regarded being that involving multi-episode, seasonal, or even series arcs.  With increasing quality and popularity directly correlated to decreased involvement from the creator.

Ans, sadly, some of the worst Star Wars was yet to come.

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I've seen every TOS episode at least 30 times, including once between 1966 and 1969.  Most were awesome.
Star Trek: The Motion Picture was horrible.
Wrath of Khan was awesome.
Search For Spock was great.
The whale episode was funny at times, but meh...
The rest of the movies were kinda sucky.

Star Wars - awesome.
Empire - awesome.
Return of the Jedi  - better than most give it credit for.
Rogue One - great.
Solo - good.
The rest were kinda sucky, except for Last Jedi - which was a putrid mess.

What's the takeaway?  Like most things in life: Some good, some great, some awful.
I'm glad both franchises were a part of my life.

Star Trek wins for me just based on Deep Space Nine alone (although I was a big TNG fan too). It's willingness to upend the Whig history progressivist slant of the franchise as a story of humanity's ascent out of barbarism to a new glorious utopia really triggered a lot of trekkies at the time and still does if you ever dive too deep in Trek forums (not recommended, most of those people are just awful).

The darker machiavellian tone of the show and the positive reaction from critics and audiences to that sort of thing also directly contributed to the studio executives giving Ronald Moore the greenlight for the Battlestar Galactica reboot which is worthy of kudos in and of itself.

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The boring proton torpedoes are Star Wars. Trek has photon torpedoes.