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Posted: 2/21/2024 7:40:39 PM EDT
I’ve got a lot of rifles.  From .22 to 50BMG.    However, my collecting has been primarily historical or military.  Lots of AR types. One Barrett.  One 1863 Springfield.   Etc.  I’m now trying to expand my horizons a wee bit. I’ve got a 300 Wetherby mag that I’ve used on elk so I do hunt on occasion.  I just picked up a Silver Pigeon because the guys at the rifle range invited me to skeet.  It’s cool    I like it.


I’m pondering what to get next and I noticed I didn’t have a rifle in the “dangerous game”/safari cartridge and I think I just might to have one.


I don’t plan on going back to Africa before I die so elephant guns are not necessary needed (but if one of was good for an elephant I wouldn’t argue) so we can talk about North American game like moose or bear.  

357 H&H?
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:42:22 PM EDT
[#1]
375 Ruger is what ive been eyeing myself.. imagine a modernized 375 H&H

Kind of the same reason.. i dont have one lol.

And there used to be a Safari match here in AZ where you use your rifle to compete.. i hope they do it again some day.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:43:02 PM EDT
[#2]
My experience with them is limited. I've only ever shot a 375 H&H and a 375 RUM.

That said I would either go with the 375 H&H or a 416 Rigby. Even when rapid firing an unfamiliar rifle I could keep all my shots in a fairly tight group at 50 yards. That said, even if you reload, it's going to be pricey. Dangerous game rifle and cheap are 2 things that do not play well together.

375 H&H should be useful for moose and all flavors of bear. If you get something much bigger than that then it probably won't be too much fun to shoot.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:46:42 PM EDT
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you want an expensive custom made english 'double' rifle.

few things are as certain as being able to get off two shots with a double at a charging rhino. no action to jam. it just works.

specifically designed to deal with 'dangerous' game.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:47:21 PM EDT
[#4]
Siamese Mauser in 45/70



Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:48:04 PM EDT
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you want an expensive custom made english 'double' rifle.

few things are as certain as being able to get off two shots with a double at a charging rhino. no action to jam. it just works.

specifically designed to deal with 'dangerous' game.
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Do those have to be tailored to the shooter? Or is it just reccomended?
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:48:15 PM EDT
[#6]
.460 Weatherby Mark V should scratch that itch.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:51:50 PM EDT
[#7]
.416 Rigby

Something about ammo that costs approximately $6 a round makes me want to shoot one.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:55:01 PM EDT
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you want an expensive custom made english 'double' rifle.

few things are as certain as being able to get off two shots with a double at a charging rhino. no action to jam. it just works.

specifically designed to deal with 'dangerous' game.
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That could be an option.   At the moment I’m keeping my sights a wee bit lower than 100K
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:55:54 PM EDT
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.416 Rigby

Something about ammo that costs approximately $6 a round makes me want to shoot one.
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Who is making rifles in that?
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:56:44 PM EDT
[#10]
Model 70 safari !
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 7:59:20 PM EDT
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Model 70 safari !
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I do like the wood on that one. Any experience with them?
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:00:02 PM EDT
[#12]
Go big...
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Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:02:35 PM EDT
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would a bolt action .50 BMG be considered a dangerous game rifle?
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:03:04 PM EDT
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That is pure beauty
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:04:07 PM EDT
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All I know is that if I owned a bolt-action dangerous game rifle, it would have controlled feed/extraction/ejection, like the Mauser or Winchester Model 70.

Push feed is for dead hunters.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:04:13 PM EDT
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In some jurisdictions, Idaho being one of them. They are too heavy to hunt with. Theres some kind of a rule on the books here that a hunting rifle can't weigh more than 14 pounds.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:05:40 PM EDT
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Absolutely

But I already have one of those and it doesn’t really fit the  “Ghost in the Darkness “ classical vibe.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:15:34 PM EDT
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Do those have to be tailored to the shooter? Or is it just reccomended?
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Length of pull, comb (iron or optic) must fit the user.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:19:59 PM EDT
[#19]
CZ-550 in .375 H &H is the standard
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:20:33 PM EDT
[#20]
What about a 9.3x62 ? It will flatten everything in NA, fits in a long action and easier on the shoulder.

Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:22:11 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:23:54 PM EDT
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I think @Fluffythecat would have a thing to say about that caliber.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:25:15 PM EDT
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I’ve got a lot of rifles.  From .22 to 50BMG.    However, my collecting has been primarily historical or military.  Lots of AR types. One Barrett.  One 1863 Springfield.   Etc.  I’m now trying to expand my horizons a wee bit. I’ve got a 300 Wetherby mag that I’ve used on elk so I do hunt on occasion.  I just picked up a Silver Pigeon because the guys at the rifle range invited me to skeet.  It’s cool    I like it.


I’m pondering what to get next and I noticed I didn’t have a rifle in the “dangerous game”/safari cartridge and I think I just might to have one.


I don’t plan on going back to Africa before I die so elephant guns are not necessary needed (but if one of was good for an elephant I wouldn’t argue) so we can talk about North American game like moose or bear.  

357 H&H?
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.416 Ruger



But I also thought “why not .458 (or .375) SOCOM”?

ETA: 416 Weatherby Magnum. lol. 400 gr at 2700 fps.

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/best-in-class-416-dangerous-game-cartridges/99179

Weatherby enthusiasts will rightly point out that the .416 Weatherby Magnum is the velocity king of the lot, and they might argue that it should be included in this discussion. I'm leaving it out because it's properly in a different performance category. Pushing 400-grain bullets at 2,700 fps, it generates energy levels in excess of 6,600 ft-lbs
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FUCK
YOUR
SHOULDER


ETA2: same article points out that the .375s are flatter shooting and more versatile.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:26:56 PM EDT
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I have a Sako model 75 in .375 H&H.  It was my "Hi moose welcome to my freezer" when I lived in AK.  It has a leupold 1.5-5 scope on it.


Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:27:21 PM EDT
[#25]
I have not found any dangerous game in Florida but I'm ready.  Interarms Whitworth 375 H&H Magnum Mark X rifle.

Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:28:01 PM EDT
[#26]
I bought a Remington rifle in 375 rem. Ultra Mag.  Put a scope on it, sighted it in..and sold it. Realized I was never going to go on a brown bear/grizz hunt. A tack driver it was but if you shot it without a lead sled your shoulder was toast after 20 rds.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:33:43 PM EDT
[#27]
.375 is medium bore. Go much bigger. 416 remington magnum, 500 A square, 510 Wells.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:35:47 PM EDT
[#28]
Ruger No. 1 in 416 Rigby
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:39:06 PM EDT
[#29]
Not sure your financial means or vacation plans but this seems like a good deal on a .416 Rigby!

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1031522157
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:39:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Some flavor of a Marlin 1895 in .45-70?
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:39:54 PM EDT
[#31]
Forgot to add that my 510 wells is very manageable.  Stock design is essential and being able to rock with the shove. 118gr of RE15, 600gr Barnes, 2550 fps. About 120 foot pounds of recoil. Pure adrenaline.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:43:09 PM EDT
[#32]
Cape Buffalo with the latest cool guy 8.6mm.

Don't think I'd do this.

Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:43:46 PM EDT
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I have a single shot .22 with a very wobbly trigger/sear. It's a dangerous small game rifle.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:47:30 PM EDT
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Quoted:
I’ve got a lot of rifles.  From .22 to 50BMG.    However, my collecting has been primarily historical or military.  Lots of AR types. One Barrett.  One 1863 Springfield.   Etc.  I’m now trying to expand my horizons a wee bit. I’ve got a 300 Wetherby mag that I’ve used on elk so I do hunt on occasion.  I just picked up a Silver Pigeon because the guys at the rifle range invited me to skeet.  It’s cool    I like it.


I’m pondering what to get next and I noticed I didn’t have a rifle in the “dangerous game”/safari cartridge and I think I just might to have one.


I don’t plan on going back to Africa before I die so elephant guns are not necessary needed (but if one of was good for an elephant I wouldn’t argue) so we can talk about North American game like moose or bear.  

357 H&H?
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For North America 9.3X62 Mauser will fit into a standard length action, is not as heavy recoiling, and is not belted.  It is not exactly a rare cartridge, either, and dangerous game loads and components are made.  It also can fit into a standard length box magazine for cartridges like .30-06 and related cartridges.  I do believe that it is also legal in at least some countries in Africa for use on dangerous game and the cartridge is readily available over there to the best of my knowledge.  The projectile is a little bit larger than that for the .35 Whelen, being .366.  It probably requires more precise marksmanship for elephants, but with good enough marksmanship even smaller cartridges can be used successfully, like the .33/.338 class and some, like Bell, sometimes even went smaller, provided the correct bullets are used (the long, heavy, solid RN bullets with heavy clad steel and sometimes also bonded jackets).
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:49:31 PM EDT
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Absolutely

But I already have one of those and it doesn’t really fit the  “Ghost in the Darkness “ classical vibe.
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would a bolt action .50 BMG be considered a dangerous game rifle?

Absolutely

But I already have one of those and it doesn’t really fit the  “Ghost in the Darkness “ classical vibe.


I think the velocity is too high, anyways, and the bullets used with it of an inappropriate type.  Sweet spot seems to be in the 2,100-2,500 fps range from what I've read unless there is a need to reach out farther.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:53:28 PM EDT
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For us poors, wasn’t there some commercial company making a double rifle in.45/70? With one barrel adjustable so you could regulate it yourself?

A quick search says there are more than one.  Here’s the one I was thinking about.

Baikal Double a rifle in 45/70
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:53:59 PM EDT
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Some flavor of a Marlin 1895 in .45-70?
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I just traded for a Trapper the other day. Inviting some friends over this weekend to shoot it........so I can see how hard it kicks before I shoot it!
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:54:33 PM EDT
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.577 T-Rex?

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Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:54:59 PM EDT
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416 Rigby #2 (rimmed version of the OG so you can have a double barrel)  
450 Nitro Express
470 Nitro Express

Gotta get a double barrel.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:55:15 PM EDT
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I have not found any dangerous game in Florida but I'm ready.  Interarms Whitworth 375 H&H Magnum Mark X rifle.

https://i.imgur.com/ieC9xJg.jpg
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You have literal dinosaurs.

Kharn
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:55:35 PM EDT
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For us poors, wasn't there some commercial company making a double rifle in.45/70? With one barrel adjustable so you could regulate it yourself?

A quick search says there are more than one.  Here's the one I was thinking about.

Baikal Double a rifle in 45/70
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That makes my nether regions tingle.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:56:00 PM EDT
[#42]
416 Rigby would stop an angry tyrannosaur
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:57:09 PM EDT
[#43]
Nosler Model 21's come in 375 H&H Magnum

Or, other calibers -

https://www.nosler.com/model-21-rifles.html
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:59:10 PM EDT
[#44]
Ruger M77 Hawkeye in .416 Ruger.

When bro in law goes to Africa, all of the guides drool over it.

It is an awesome gun and recoil isn’t horrible.

https://ruger.com/products/HawkeyeAfrican/models.html

His is a black sticky stocky, rubber coated, not the walnut one.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 8:59:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/21/2024 9:01:54 PM EDT
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Marlin .444 that thing kicks like a mule but it's like hurling a boulder at something.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 9:03:25 PM EDT
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I just traded for a Trapper the other day. Inviting some friends over this weekend to shoot it........so I can see how hard it kicks before I shoot it!
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The cool thing about the .45-70 is the range of loads. Mild to wild. It was originally a black powder cartridge, and you can get loads approximating what it was 125 years ago. Or you can load up 500 grain bullets with modern powder approaching 458 wing mag territory.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 9:04:05 PM EDT
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I have a CZ 550 in .416 Rigby for no reason at all.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 9:04:45 PM EDT
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.338RUM is more than enough for anything in the western hemisphere.
Link Posted: 2/21/2024 9:05:49 PM EDT
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