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Posted: 2/20/2021 9:40:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/20/2021 9:41:04 AM EST by DragoMuseveni]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Martlet: A sane person would never think it's ok to murder their neighbors, regardless of their sanity. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Martlet: Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Sane people can have insane neighbors. If you don't know that, hope you never discover it first hand. A sane person would never think it's ok to murder their neighbors, regardless of their sanity. Survival might require a preemptive strike when the shirt starts flying   |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 11:05:10 AM EST
Video seems to be gone? Anywhere else to view it?
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Posted: 2/20/2021 12:05:50 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By ahnglw: Video seems to be gone? Anywhere else to view it? The link in the original post is to the poster's feed, not the video. If you scroll up in that feed, the video is still there. This link might work: https://t.me/NineMilSMG/237 |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 12:37:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/20/2021 12:38:20 PM EST by tree-hugger]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Not so sure about that. Communists want to(and will given the chance) murder their Non-Communist neighbors. Survival might require a preemptive strike when the shirt starts flying Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Originally Posted By Martlet: Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Sane people can have insane neighbors. If you don't know that, hope you never discover it first hand. A sane person would never think it's ok to murder their neighbors, regardless of their sanity. Survival might require a preemptive strike when the shirt starts flying Agreed. I actually applaud the battered woman for finally cutting the cancerous abuser out of society when she was driven to taking his life. It really is too bad the law makes it so she has to go through a torturous process thorough enough to satisfy our LEGAL system to make that happen instead of doing what needs to be done after the first time he beats her to within an inch of her life. There are more examples of how normally sane people are driven to take the life of another like: the husband / father / brother of a rape victim after the LEGAL system gives the rapist a slap on the wrist. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 6:01:57 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By scuba_steve: The link in the original post is to the poster's feed, not the video. If you scroll up in that feed, the video is still there. This link might work: https://t.me/NineMilSMG/237 Thanks. Yup, brutal. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 6:03:19 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/20/2021 6:03:39 PM EST by Martlet]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Not so sure about that. Communists want to(and will given the chance) murder their Non-Communist neighbors. Survival might require a preemptive strike when the shirt starts flying So your argument is that communists who want to murder non-communist neighbors are sane? Interesting position. |
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Posted: 2/20/2021 6:18:16 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Thrasymachus: That's why they banned snow out here. How's that going for ya? |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:24:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2021 9:26:35 AM EST by DragoMuseveni]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Martlet: So your argument is that communists who want to murder non-communist neighbors are sane? Interesting position. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Martlet: Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Not so sure about that. Communists want to(and will given the chance) murder their Non-Communist neighbors. Survival might require a preemptive strike when the shirt starts flying So your argument is that communists who want to murder non-communist neighbors are sane? Interesting position. That's not what I said and you damn well know it. Next time, include the entire quote tree. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:27:34 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: That's not what I said and you damn well know it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Originally Posted By Martlet: Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Not so sure about that. Communists want to(and will given the chance) murder their Non-Communist neighbors. Survival might require a preemptive strike when the shirt starts flying So your argument is that communists who want to murder non-communist neighbors are sane? Interesting position. That's not what I said and you damn well know it. I would argue that by conventional definitions, they are in fact sane. They know what their goals are and are taking logical steps to achieve those goals. Now, those goals are certainly abhorrent in a free society where people respect each other and can have philisophical differences that are also respected, but these people do in fact know what they are proposing and do know the difference between right and wrong. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:38:23 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By shotar: I would argue that by conventional definitions, they are in fact sane. They know what their goals are and are taking logical steps to achieve those goals. Now, those goals are certainly abhorrent in a free society where people respect each other and can have philisophical differences that are also respected, but these people do in fact know what they are proposing and do know the difference between right and wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shotar: Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Originally Posted By Martlet: Originally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Not so sure about that. Communists want to(and will given the chance) murder their Non-Communist neighbors. Survival might require a preemptive strike when the shirt starts flying So your argument is that communists who want to murder non-communist neighbors are sane? Interesting position. That's not what I said and you damn well know it. I would argue that by conventional definitions, they are in fact sane. They know what their goals are and are taking logical steps to achieve those goals. Now, those goals are certainly abhorrent in a free society where people respect each other and can have philisophical differences that are also respected, but these people do in fact know what they are proposing and do know the difference between right and wrong. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:38:46 AM EST
I am curious what the bunched panties crowd thinks of the battered wives killing husbands in their sleep, etc.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:45:23 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Ridgerunner9876: I am curious what the bunched panties crowd thinks of the battered wives killing husbands in their sleep, etc. They likely think its bad because they fear being next. 
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Posted: 2/21/2021 10:12:51 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I want to threaten and bully people with no repercussions? No, I am polite to a fault. I understand perfectly fine that if you threaten violence toward others they might pull out a gun and shoot you. This guy safely went back into his home, came back out with a handgun shot two people, safely went back into his home, went back out with a rifle and executed them when they posed no threat. My issue is you said "He did nothing wrong". Pits that kill and mutilate people pose no threat, up until they eat their first toddler? I'm not disagreeing with your point, just your logic. You have a neighbor standing in the street screaming for the world to hear he's going to kick your ass and make your life hell...... warrant lethal force, legally? Of course not. "No threat"? You're splitting hairs to justify your position. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 10:14:30 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By 6winchester2: Anyone who did not read this, needs to. Anyone who did read this, needs to read it again. Says it all. Exceptions apply, but not being an asshole carries surprisingly few consequences. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 10:41:39 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Famous Type 3 Assholes In History Adolph Hitler Unrepentant Thief On The Cross with Christ Pharaoh of Egypt Ramses II Thomas Beckett Stalin Pol Pot Che Guevara Jack The Ripper Jim Bakker John McCain Mitt Romney Lyndon Johnson Barbara Bush Jane Fonda Nancy Pelosi Green River Killer Richard Ramirez (Nightstalker) The Reverend Jim Jones David Koresh Vasily Blokhin Rasputin Mao All North Korean leaders named "Kim" something Why would you put Thomas Beckett on that list? |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 9:24:50 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By justsayin: Pits that kill and mutilate people pose no threat, up until they eat their first toddler? I'm not disagreeing with your point, just your logic. You have a neighbor standing in the street screaming for the world to hear he's going to kick your ass and make your life hell...... warrant lethal force, legally? Of course not. "No threat"? You're splitting hairs to justify your position. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By justsayin: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I want to threaten and bully people with no repercussions? No, I am polite to a fault. I understand perfectly fine that if you threaten violence toward others they might pull out a gun and shoot you. This guy safely went back into his home, came back out with a handgun shot two people, safely went back into his home, went back out with a rifle and executed them when they posed no threat. My issue is you said "He did nothing wrong". Pits that kill and mutilate people pose no threat, up until they eat their first toddler? I'm not disagreeing with your point, just your logic. You have a neighbor standing in the street screaming for the world to hear he's going to kick your ass and make your life hell...... warrant lethal force, legally? Of course not. "No threat"? You're splitting hairs to justify your position. I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 10:53:52 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wolverine1776: Originally Posted By justsayin: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I want to threaten and bully people with no repercussions? No, I am polite to a fault. I understand perfectly fine that if you threaten violence toward others they might pull out a gun and shoot you. This guy safely went back into his home, came back out with a handgun shot two people, safely went back into his home, went back out with a rifle and executed them when they posed no threat. My issue is you said "He did nothing wrong". Pits that kill and mutilate people pose no threat, up until they eat their first toddler? I'm not disagreeing with your point, just your logic. You have a neighbor standing in the street screaming for the world to hear he's going to kick your ass and make your life hell...... warrant lethal force, legally? Of course not. "No threat"? You're splitting hairs to justify your position. I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? Your constant what if's and why's are repetitive, and irrelevant. No one here has ESP, so we cannot know for certain what was in the mind of the shooter. 
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Posted: 2/22/2021 12:25:49 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By myitinaw: Your constant what if's and why's are repetitive, and irrelevant. No one here has ESP, so we cannot know for certain what was in the mind of the shooter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By myitinaw: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: Originally Posted By justsayin: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I want to threaten and bully people with no repercussions? No, I am polite to a fault. I understand perfectly fine that if you threaten violence toward others they might pull out a gun and shoot you. This guy safely went back into his home, came back out with a handgun shot two people, safely went back into his home, went back out with a rifle and executed them when they posed no threat. My issue is you said "He did nothing wrong". Pits that kill and mutilate people pose no threat, up until they eat their first toddler? I'm not disagreeing with your point, just your logic. You have a neighbor standing in the street screaming for the world to hear he's going to kick your ass and make your life hell...... warrant lethal force, legally? Of course not. "No threat"? You're splitting hairs to justify your position. I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? Your constant what if's and why's are repetitive, and irrelevant. No one here has ESP, so we cannot know for certain what was in the mind of the shooter.  What if's and why's? On video we see him go back into his house and come out with a pistol and shoot two people. Perhaps he felt threatened enough by their demeanor and words to think his life was in danger. Alright, I can understand that and maybe see his justification. But then he goes back into his home and comes out with a different gun and puts anchor shots to people laying in the street bleeding to death. And you think that's okay because we don't know what he was his mindset was? The fact that he shot himself in the head afterward lends me to think he knew he did something wrong. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 12:55:40 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: What if's and why's? On video we see him go back into his house and come out with a pistol and shoot two people. Perhaps he felt threatened enough by their demeanor and words to think his life was in danger. Alright, I can understand that and maybe see his justification. But then he goes back into his home and comes out with a different gun and puts anchor shots to people laying in the street bleeding to death. And you think that's okay because we don't know what he was his mindset was? The fact that he shot himself in the head afterward lends me to think he knew he did something wrong. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wolverine1776: Originally Posted By myitinaw: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: Originally Posted By justsayin: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I want to threaten and bully people with no repercussions? No, I am polite to a fault. I understand perfectly fine that if you threaten violence toward others they might pull out a gun and shoot you. This guy safely went back into his home, came back out with a handgun shot two people, safely went back into his home, went back out with a rifle and executed them when they posed no threat. My issue is you said "He did nothing wrong". Pits that kill and mutilate people pose no threat, up until they eat their first toddler? I'm not disagreeing with your point, just your logic. You have a neighbor standing in the street screaming for the world to hear he's going to kick your ass and make your life hell...... warrant lethal force, legally? Of course not. "No threat"? You're splitting hairs to justify your position. I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? Your constant what if's and why's are repetitive, and irrelevant. No one here has ESP, so we cannot know for certain what was in the mind of the shooter. What if's and why's? On video we see him go back into his house and come out with a pistol and shoot two people. Perhaps he felt threatened enough by their demeanor and words to think his life was in danger. Alright, I can understand that and maybe see his justification. But then he goes back into his home and comes out with a different gun and puts anchor shots to people laying in the street bleeding to death. And you think that's okay because we don't know what he was his mindset was? The fact that he shot himself in the head afterward lends me to think he knew he did something wrong. All we know is that he seemed to be an intelligent person. As an intelligent person, he knew that once he shot them with the pistol, his life as a free person was over. Right or wrong has nothing to do with it. Once he started down that path, he was committed. Since he wasn’t carrying a reload, he went in the house and grabbed more gun. He finished what he started. Nothing complicated on the video. He snapped. They asked for it and he gave it to them. As an intelligent person, he chose to not live in a cage for the rest of his life, while those two scum bags continue to breathe. I don’t condone what he did. I merely accept what he did as a likely reaction to being verbally abused and physically threatened. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 1:23:28 AM EST
The entire video is unbelievable. Especially how the woman is still mouthing off and waving her hand while the dude was shooting at her husband. What a very strange and disturbing event.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 3:03:02 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By llanero: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By llanero: Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Famous Type 3 Assholes In History Adolph Hitler Unrepentant Thief On The Cross with Christ Pharaoh of Egypt Ramses II Thomas Beckett Stalin Pol Pot Che Guevara Jack The Ripper Jim Bakker John McCain Mitt Romney Lyndon Johnson Barbara Bush Jane Fonda Nancy Pelosi Green River Killer Richard Ramirez (Nightstalker) The Reverend Jim Jones David Koresh Vasily Blokhin Rasputin Mao All North Korean leaders named "Kim" something Why would you put Thomas Beckett on that list? Did Henry II write the list? |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 3:10:51 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By 556_Chowder: The entire video is unbelievable. Especially how the woman is still mouthing off and waving her hand while the dude was shooting at her husband. What a very strange and disturbing event. Yes, all three were whackadoodles. Very bizarre and tragic over fucking snow that will melt. Numb nuts shooter should get over bad words off his property. If they trespass and make threats then maybe different. But they were on their own property and public street. The couple ranting were out of control. Even after he starts shooting they keep at it and try to record it?! FFS. Our society has lost so much sense of basic civility. What did they hope to accomplish other than to anger the neighbor? Either party could have de-escalated. All chose to lurch over the cliff into the abyss. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 7:56:48 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? They weren't a threat before he shot them. They were yelling in the street. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 8:04:28 AM EST
To summarize the lessons learned here. DON"T BE AN ASSHOLE. There may well be someone who has just had enough of your assholish behavior that nothing else matters to them anymore than stopping it. Not being an asshole is always the better course of action and has a much higher probability of achieving better outcomes in all facets of life.
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Posted: 2/22/2021 9:16:35 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Martlet: A sane person would never think it's ok to murder their neighbors, regardless of their sanity. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Martlet: Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Sane people can have insane neighbors. If you don't know that, hope you never discover it first hand. A sane person would never think it's ok to murder their neighbors, regardless of their sanity. Mental illness, much like many other illnesses, can be communicable in some cases. This is one. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 9:23:05 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By llanero: Why would you put Thomas Beckett on that list? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By llanero: Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: Famous Type 3 Assholes In History Adolph Hitler ... Thomas Beckett Stalin ... All North Korean leaders named "Kim" something Why would you put Thomas Beckett on that list? From WIkipedia: "A rift grew between Henry and Becket as the new archbishop resigned his chancellorship and sought to recover and extend the rights of the archbishopric. This led to a series of conflicts with the King, including that over the jurisdiction of secular courts over English clergymen, which accelerated antipathy between Becket and the king. Attempts by Henry to influence the other bishops against Becket began in Westminster in October 1163, where the King sought approval of the traditional rights of the royal government in regard to the church.[1] This led to the Constitutions of Clarendon, where Becket was officially asked to agree to the King's rights or face political repercussions." Basically, he was asserting that he and the Catholic Church were above the law, (sound familiar?), and kept pushing it until he talked himself into getting assassinated - kinda like the dumpster defender and the snow shovelers. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 9:25:06 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Martlet: They weren't a threat before he shot them. They were yelling in the street. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Martlet: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? They weren't a threat before he shot them. They were yelling in the street. They were yelling threats, and throwing tools. You really need to up your posting game. |
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Posted: 2/22/2021 11:37:32 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wolverine1776: Originally Posted By justsayin: Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I want to threaten and bully people with no repercussions? No, I am polite to a fault. I understand perfectly fine that if you threaten violence toward others they might pull out a gun and shoot you. This guy safely went back into his home, came back out with a handgun shot two people, safely went back into his home, went back out with a rifle and executed them when they posed no threat. My issue is you said "He did nothing wrong". Pits that kill and mutilate people pose no threat, up until they eat their first toddler? I'm not disagreeing with your point, just your logic. You have a neighbor standing in the street screaming for the world to hear he's going to kick your ass and make your life hell...... warrant lethal force, legally? Of course not. "No threat"? You're splitting hairs to justify your position. I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? What did he have to lose at that point? What did he have to gain? I think at that point he had nothing to lose and accomplished his goal. The cost was probably going to be the same at that point if we went back for another gun or stopped. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 12:26:09 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? They were still going to be threats had he left them alive. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 12:27:57 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Martlet: They weren't a threat before he shot them. They were yelling in the street. You seem to be one of those who think he shot them over just shoveling snow in his space. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 7:04:17 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: I said they weren't a threat after he had already shot them with a pistol. That woman bleeding out in the middle of the street posed such imminent danger to him he had leave his home with a rifle, approach her, and shoot her point blank? When it comes to him returning, the historical build up of the conflict was likely the deciding factor, and the end of his tale that day was going to be the same regardless of the anchor shots or not, so as others have said....in for a penny, in for a pound. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 7:10:01 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Wolverine1776: The fact that he shot himself in the head afterward lends me to think he knew he did something wrong. Legally yes, there is no doubt that finding a legal justification based on current laws would be damn near impossible if not impossible. ( I leave the very remote possibility of a jury acquittal just because it's theoretically possible 8^) I don't think there are too many arguing the "legality" of the actions, perhaps a couple of 'hair splitters' like yerself that want to argue fringe 'what ifs' |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 7:15:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/23/2021 7:16:10 AM EST by atblis]
Is that audio real? WTF?
It'd be better if they had Maine accents. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 7:58:30 AM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Rick-OShay: They were yelling threats, and throwing tools. You really need to up your posting game. Well, that justifies it. Nah. It doesn't. If he hadn't offed himself he'd have been convicted for the first shot. Some of you guys have issues. |
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Posted: 2/23/2021 8:12:35 AM EST
Long running feud...Now I get it. I've been living near someone whose presence I can barely tolerate and then one day
I woke up and trained my mind to focus on other things, takes a lot of will power and focus but it can be done. Thats a tragedy right there. 
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