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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:22:28 AM EDT
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I have questions !
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:25:25 AM EDT
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I was thinking about this the other day. The maxim 50 shows up as discontinued on silencerco’s website. I believe the rifle was a traditions vortex that silencerco added a can on. The only downside that I can see to something like the maxim would be that it would be tougher to load and a big pain in the ass to clean. I remember reading that you were supposed to clean it like every 5 rounds or something like that.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:26:35 AM EDT
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Apparently they were a pain in the ass to keep running. Very sensitive to fouling. When all was said and done you essentially had a finicky pellet rifle with much better ballistics.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:27:56 AM EDT
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And as to why they stopped making it. Silencerco went through some financial hard times, I wonder if it got put on the chopping block because of money reasons? I can’t imagine that muzzle loaders are a big segment of the gun market.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:37:02 AM EDT
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It was more than twice the price of the base rifle, didn’t sell well at all, and has to be cleaned constantly.
There’s just not that many people who want a suppressed muzzleloader. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:41:25 AM EDT
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I think I paid 299 or 399 for mine when SiCO was blowing them out a few years back.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:50:54 AM EDT
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My guess is they had some legality issues. There’s a few states that consider muzzleloaders to be firearms. Thus in those states, the suppressor would be a real suppressor requiring all the class iii stuff. It is really a pretty big legal gray area IMHO. Say a person buys the muzzleloader in PA and transports it to NJ. PA says a muzzleloader is nothing but NJ says it’s a firearm. Does that mean that NJ charges the guy with an unregistered suppressor? The firearm was legally bought and it was legal to transport it across those states’ borders. However the suppressor part of it isn’t?
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:55:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess is they had some legality issues. There’s a few states that consider muzzleloaders to be firearms. Thus in those states, the suppressor would be a real suppressor requiring all the class iii stuff. It is really a pretty big legal gray area IMHO. Say a person buys the muzzleloader in PA and transports it to NJ. PA says a muzzleloader is nothing but NJ says it’s a firearm. Does that mean that NJ charges the guy with an unregistered suppressor? The firearm was legally bought and it was legal to transport it across those states’ borders. However the suppressor part of it isn’t? From what I remember at the time of them releasing it is you can only suppress firearms and since a muzzleloader is not a firearm, it doesn't have a suppressor. When certain states reclassified or changed laws to say ML's are firearms that's when things went belly up and it was no longer a 50-state legal item. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 10:56:24 AM EDT
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I can't imagine trying to clean a black powder suppressor. And how did you suppress the sound of the cap/primer?
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:04:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't imagine trying to clean a black powder suppressor. And how did you suppress the sound of the cap/primer? The same way as with any other gun? The primer in an inline muzzle loader isn't appreciably different than from a center fire when you get down to it. Primers in a firearm aren't that loud on their own anyway, they make you just about shit your pants if one goes off on the press though. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 2:01:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't imagine trying to clean a black powder suppressor. And how did you suppress the sound of the cap/primer? IIRC it was built for Buckhorn 209 with is a relatively speaking low fouling powder. Everything is inline unlike the older guns with the cap on an external nipple. Think of a bolt action but you load a primer in the bolt and the powder and projectile down the barrel. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 7:46:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was more than twice the price of the base rifle, didn’t sell well at all, and has to be cleaned constantly. There’s just not that many people who want a suppressed muzzleloader. I kinda want to try one out. For <$1000 for a silenced rifle that can tell the tyrants to fuck off....I don't care as much about the accuracy....that's just awesome in and of itself. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 7:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My guess is they had some legality issues. There’s a few states that consider muzzleloaders to be firearms. Thus in those states, the suppressor would be a real suppressor requiring all the class iii stuff. It is really a pretty big legal gray area IMHO. Say a person buys the muzzleloader in PA and transports it to NJ. PA says a muzzleloader is nothing but NJ says it’s a firearm. Does that mean that NJ charges the guy with an unregistered suppressor? The firearm was legally bought and it was legal to transport it across those states’ borders. However the suppressor part of it isn’t? For Federal law purposes tho, only Federal law is what matters. Legally, the same as a permanently affixed/integral suppressor on any other non-firearm (IE, air rifle) |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 8:08:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IIRC it was built for Buckhorn 209 with is a relatively speaking low fouling powder. Everything is inline unlike the older guns with the cap on an external nipple. Think of a bolt action but you load a primer in the bolt and the powder and projectile down the barrel. Does the Maxim 50 predate the variety of smokeless muzzleloader actions available nowadays? A smokeless rated action would make the cleaning interval no different than any other modern can. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 8:09:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I kinda want to try one out. For <$1000 for a silenced rifle that can tell the tyrants to fuck off....I don't care as much about the accuracy....that's just awesome in and of itself. I’m not trying to violate COC or anything…. But if you wanna “tell the tyrants to fuck off”, I don’t think a neutered, federally legal, ATF approved, single shot muzzleloader is the way to do it. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 8:16:58 PM EDT
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Muzzleloader's aren't particularly loud anyway, relative to modern firearms anyway. I'm sure it's not great for your hearing but a couple shots during hunting season I'm not going to stress over.
Not even a slight ringing after shooting one. Shoot a modern .260 with a brake and you'll still be screaming "WHAT?" at dinner time over the ringing noise in your ear. |
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Posted: 5/25/2022 8:30:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m not trying to violate COC or anything…. But if you wanna “tell the tyrants to fuck off”, I don’t think a neutered, federally legal, ATF approved, single shot muzzleloader is the way to do it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I kinda want to try one out. For <$1000 for a silenced rifle that can tell the tyrants to fuck off....I don't care as much about the accuracy....that's just awesome in and of itself. I’m not trying to violate COC or anything…. But if you wanna “tell the tyrants to fuck off”, I don’t think a neutered, federally legal, ATF approved, single shot muzzleloader is the way to do it. I didn't know they approved of it. Kinda takes away the attraction. 
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Posted: 5/25/2022 8:52:16 PM EDT
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I use to shoot black powder rifles alot. Even in some competitive shoots back in the day. Black powder was a pita to clean. Took a hot soapy coffee can or bucket of water and connected a rubber tub to percussion cap nipple and stuck other end in hot soapy water and used ram rod with a fitting to ram up and down barrel to draw water in and out to clean black powder out of barrel. Then oiled it. I can't imagine a suppressor on one. Even substitutes for black powder can be a pain. But at least they arent corrosive...most the time.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:08:44 PM EDT
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I would suspect it would take complete diassembly to clean one. What a lot of work.
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Posted: 5/25/2022 11:11:44 PM EDT
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because muzzleloaders are dumb, and the only people using them are civil war fans or people trying to squeeze out a longer firearm deer season. those people don't buy suppressors.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 2:17:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use to shoot black powder rifles alot. Even in some competitive shoots back in the day. Black powder was a pita to clean. Took a hot soapy coffee can or bucket of water and connected a rubber tub to percussion cap nipple and stuck other end in hot soapy water and used ram rod with a fitting to ram up and down barrel to draw water in and out to clean black powder out of barrel. Then oiled it. I can't imagine a suppressor on one. Even substitutes for black powder can be a pain. But at least they arent corrosive...most the time. Modern muzzleloader's including the one op is referring to are inline with a removable breach. Much easier to clean and run a rod through. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 2:24:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: because muzzleloaders are dumb, and the only people using them are civil war fans or people trying to squeeze out a longer firearm deer season. those people don't buy suppressors. When it comes to draw tags, muzzleloader here can be very favorable, plus a third or less people out in the woods during the general seasons. I killed a cow elk last year with my .50. 250gr Hornady sabot does the job, even going slow. Only irons allowed here, so sub 100 yd effective range basically. But unless you got private land to hunt on, i don't even like doing general modern season here. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 3:52:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently they were a pain in the ass to keep running. Very sensitive to fouling. When all was said and done you essentially had a finicky pellet rifle with much better ballistics. I was going to say that would be a ROYAL pain in the ass to clean |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 3:54:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And as to why they stopped making it. Silencerco went through some financial hard times, I wonder if it got put on the chopping block because of money reasons? I can’t imagine that muzzle loaders are a big segment of the gun market. That’ll happen when you piss Mike Pappas off and he leaves, taking a lot of customers over to Dead Air |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 4:00:48 AM EDT
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Neat idea, terrible maintenance. I get 3 shots out of an in-line muzzle loader without a can. With a can you were never going to get the voids between baffles clean plus now one maybe 2 shots between cleanings. I’d rather use a bow.
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Posted: 5/26/2022 6:12:45 AM EDT
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The mere thought of a suppressed muzzleloader is wild...what a mess!
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Posted: 5/26/2022 6:48:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And as to why they stopped making it. Silencerco went through some financial hard times, I wonder if it got put on the chopping block because of money reasons? I can't imagine that muzzle loaders are a big segment of the gun market. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 6:56:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does the Maxim 50 predate the variety of smokeless muzzleloader actions available nowadays? A smokeless rated action would make the cleaning interval no different than any other modern can. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: IIRC it was built for Buckhorn 209 with is a relatively speaking low fouling powder. Everything is inline unlike the older guns with the cap on an external nipple. Think of a bolt action but you load a primer in the bolt and the powder and projectile down the barrel. Does the Maxim 50 predate the variety of smokeless muzzleloader actions available nowadays? A smokeless rated action would make the cleaning interval no different than any other modern can. |
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Posted: 5/26/2022 7:44:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I paid 299 or 399 for mine when SiCO was blowing them out a few years back. When they came out, I thought it was worth about 500 bucks. By time they were selling for that I couldn't bring myself to pick one up. The base gun wasn't a great choice. For the expense I expected something a little better. |
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