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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:28:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2021 9:35:53 PM EST by 2ndamendmentknights]
Today for example:
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USA
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:33:08 PM EST
I live a few miles from Ft Sill and use their facilities as a retiree. It is a culture shock every time I drive on that base.
God help us if we every have another world war. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:33:40 PM EST
I agree with this statement. If you can meet the set standards and want to be in the fight, I want you to have the opportunity.
18Z50....SFAS, we separate the wheat from the chaff. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:35:30 PM EST
I was at the VA this past weekend and for the first time in my life saw the most blatant tranny too
 6inch heels, wig, bad makeup, tight clothes and the whole nine. Quite a few groans from the ww2 and vietnam vets there... |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:36:27 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By 18B30: I agree with this statement. If you can meet the set standards and want to be in the fight, I want you to have the opportunity. 18Z50....SFAS, we separate the wheat from the chaff. 
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:36:33 PM EST
You choose a command who you are confident can execute your plan. How is this surprising?
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:37:02 PM EST
She could break track for sure......
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:37:24 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By 18B30: I agree with this statement. If you can meet the set standards and want to be in the fight, I want you to have the opportunity. 18Z50....SFAS, we separate the wheat from the chaff. What are the standards? Different sets for different sexes? Who would you have loading artillery: a group of average men or a group of average women. Be honest now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:47:23 PM EST
Next SMA will be a woman.
Or someone who identifies as such. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:50:08 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By USCG_CPO: I live a few miles from Ft Sill and use their facilities as a retiree. It is a culture shock every time I drive on that base. God help us if we every have another world war. how so? |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:51:38 PM EST
Time to learn Chinese.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:52:53 PM EST
China is going to crush us
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:53:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2021 12:54:35 PM EST by spartacus2002]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights: What are the standards? Different sets for different sexes? Who would you have loading artillery: a group of average men or a group of average women. Be honest now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights: Originally Posted By 18B30: I agree with this statement. If you can meet the set standards and want to be in the fight, I want you to have the opportunity. 18Z50....SFAS, we separate the wheat from the chaff. What are the standards? Different sets for different sexes? Who would you have loading artillery: a group of average men or a group of average women. Be honest now. and that's before we get into the distraction and drama of having females in units of testosterone-filled, competitive, hard-charging males. Females in an S1 or JAG office? Fine. Females in an artillery battery or infantry company? Nope. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:54:20 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By USCG_CPO: I live a few miles from Ft Sill and use their facilities as a retiree. It is a culture shock every time I drive on that base. God help us if we every have another world war. I'm scouting the rural areas around Ft Hood for a retirement home, once we leave El Paso on or about Sep 2022. We're planning a trip this May to get the lay of the land. One positive observation - I see more military age women shooting ARs and attending gun shows (pre Covid). I also work with active duty women that own black rifles. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:56:45 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By spartacus2002: and that's before we get into the distraction and drama of having females in units of testosterone-filled, competitive, hard-charging males. Females in an S1 or JAG office? Fine. Females in an artillery battery or infantry company? Nope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights: Originally Posted By 18B30: I agree with this statement. If you can meet the set standards and want to be in the fight, I want you to have the opportunity. 18Z50....SFAS, we separate the wheat from the chaff. What are the standards? Different sets for different sexes? Who would you have loading artillery: a group of average men or a group of average women. Be honest now. and that's before we get into the distraction and drama of having females in units of testosterone-filled, competitive, hard-charging males. Females in an S1 or JAG office? Fine. Females in an artillery battery or infantry company? Nope. Yep. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:56:58 PM EST
Interesting that "inclusion" excludes anyone who's opinion does not agree with policy...
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:57:28 PM EST
I'd ride in a tank with Lt Gable tho.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:58:36 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Aimless: Time to learn Chinese. 同意 |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 12:58:58 PM EST
Will they (women) be able to stand the gore of real combat is the question
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CA, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:01:44 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights: Yep. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By 2ndamendmentknights: Originally Posted By 18B30: I agree with this statement. If you can meet the set standards and want to be in the fight, I want you to have the opportunity. 18Z50....SFAS, we separate the wheat from the chaff. What are the standards? Different sets for different sexes? Who would you have loading artillery: a group of average men or a group of average women. Be honest now. and that's before we get into the distraction and drama of having females in units of testosterone-filled, competitive, hard-charging males. Females in an S1 or JAG office? Fine. Females in an artillery battery or infantry company? Nope. Yep. That ship has sailed. If the least politically correct President we're ever likely to have did nothing about women in combat arms, no one else is going to either. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:04:11 PM EST
I'm just a member of the Chairforce so I ain't got no dog in the fight, I just hope that they hold everyone to the same standards and do not compromise for the sake of diversity or whatever.
Lowering standards for the sake of diversity is going to get people hurt or killed. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:06:24 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By fortydelta: I'd ride in a tank with Lt Gable tho.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/96899/20210221_115650_jpg-1835114.JPG If they can do the job, no fucks given. If the requirements for the job are diluted for the primary purpose of "diversity" then we're fucked. Driving a tank in training isn't the same as when someone is firing at you. That's the difference that will kill us. I know several female helo pilots. No issues there and they knew if they are shot down that wasn't going to be pretty. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:06:58 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By SigsandCider: China is going to crush us Yup they will. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:07:41 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Desert_AIP: Interesting that "inclusion" excludes anyone who's opinion does not agree with policy... oh, you noticed that too.... Ever notice how Diversity excludes wypipo? We have a local weekly newspaper for the black community in the southern part of the county, they brag on the front page about "look how diverse our staff is!" and the photos are ALL black people.  Yeah, that word; you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:10:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/21/2021 1:11:09 PM EST by Harv24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fortydelta: I'd ride in a tank with Lt Gable tho.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/96899/20210221_115650_jpg-1835114.JPG  Put them on this little afternoon project... report back to me how it went.... 
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:11:30 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Delbaeth: If they can do the job at the physical, mental, emotional, and leadership levels required to fight and win the nation's wars, no fucks given. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Delbaeth: If they can do the job at the physical, mental, emotional, and leadership levels required to fight and win the nation's wars, no fucks given. FIFY If the requirements for the job are diluted for the primary purpose of "diversity" then we're fucked. Driving a tank in training isn't the same as when someone is firing at you. That's the difference that will kill us. we are so far past that point that we cannot even get an Uber back to that point. We're gonna have to have a Task Force Smith situation with video of female POWs having bad things happen to them before Congress/WH will change their tune. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:13:09 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By spartacus2002: and that's before we get into the distraction and drama of having females in units of testosterone-filled, competitive, hard-charging males. Females in an S1 or JAG office? Fine. Females in an artillery battery or infantry company? Nope. I had a female in my FAOBC at Sill in ‘91, she was a West Point grad. Not totally sure where she ended up, but IIRC she went to a MLRS Bttry or a training Bat. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:14:21 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Harv24: https://i.imgur.com/gmfxRWg.jpg Put them on this little afternoon project... report back to me how it went.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Harv24: Originally Posted By fortydelta: I'd ride in a tank with Lt Gable tho.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/96899/20210221_115650_jpg-1835114.JPG https://i.imgur.com/gmfxRWg.jpg Put them on this little afternoon project... report back to me how it went.... I can tell you right now that at least one will be unable to help out because she's on pregnancy limited duty. I was fairly neutral on female soldiers getting pregnant when I was on AD, but towards the end I saw it just fucking abused to get out of deployments, to get off work at exactly 1700 because "gotta pick up muh kids at the base daycare," to double her income by collecting BAH from multiple senior NCO babydaddies. I've come around to the point of "if they get pregnant, throw them out." |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:16:34 PM EST
First proud/strong woman uses the term “...bad boy...” to describe something awesome.
Honk! Honk! |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:17:29 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By MidMichHunter: I had a female in my FAOBC at Sill in ‘91, she was a West Point grad. Not totally sure where she ended up, but IIRC she went to a MLRS Bttry or a training Bat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MidMichHunter: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: and that's before we get into the distraction and drama of having females in units of testosterone-filled, competitive, hard-charging males. Females in an S1 or JAG office? Fine. Females in an artillery battery or infantry company? Nope. I had a female in my FAOBC at Sill in ‘91, she was a West Point grad. Not totally sure where she ended up, but IIRC she went to a MLRS Bttry or a training Bat. I knew one a couple of years older than me, USMA grad. She was put into FA when they still had females in rocket/missile units, then they canked that right after she was commissioned. She spent all her time in TDA units. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:17:45 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By spartacus2002: FIFY we are so far past that point that we cannot even get an Uber back to that point. We're gonna have to have a Task Force Smith situation with video of female POWs having bad things happen to them before Congress/WH will change their tune. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By Delbaeth: If they can do the job at the physical, mental, emotional, and leadership levels required to fight and win the nation's wars, no fucks given. FIFY If the requirements for the job are diluted for the primary purpose of "diversity" then we're fucked. Driving a tank in training isn't the same as when someone is firing at you. That's the difference that will kill us. we are so far past that point that we cannot even get an Uber back to that point. We're gonna have to have a Task Force Smith situation with video of female POWs having bad things happen to them before Congress/WH will change their tune. Not really....just when they integrate everything and they find out half the women in a squad are getting pregnant while deployed. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:17:45 PM EST
Reality is a tough master. When things go hot SJW policies are gonna cost a lot of lives.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:20:15 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By fortydelta: I'd ride in a tank with Lt Gable tho.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/96899/20210221_115650_jpg-1835114.JPG One, three, two. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:20:43 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By kncook: Not really....just when they integrate everything and they find out half the women in a squad are getting pregnant while deployed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kncook: Originally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By Delbaeth: If they can do the job at the physical, mental, emotional, and leadership levels required to fight and win the nation's wars, no fucks given. FIFY If the requirements for the job are diluted for the primary purpose of "diversity" then we're fucked. Driving a tank in training isn't the same as when someone is firing at you. That's the difference that will kill us. we are so far past that point that we cannot even get an Uber back to that point. We're gonna have to have a Task Force Smith situation with video of female POWs having bad things happen to them before Congress/WH will change their tune. Not really....just when they integrate everything and they find out half the women in a squad are getting pregnant while deployed. females get pregnant while deployed, hasn't changed a thing. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:25:17 PM EST
As another poster said a couple days ago-
Sooner or later they’ll be used to enforce social policy. Whatever undermines mission readiness is a long term success for the nation. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:35:09 PM EST
The whole “if they can meet the same standards” fuck fuck excuse needs to stop.
The wominz don’t have the same standards and never will and it’s because they CANT. It’s not hard to look up the different pass fail standards for each service. |
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USA
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:37:53 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By spartacus2002: how so? Maybe I should have just said "shock" Just my opinion based off of being on that base for the past 14 plus years since retiring. The new troops are tiny, my 5'2" wife pointed out how small a lot of the male trainees are now. Seriously doubt they could carry/drag their fellow soldier anywhere if they needed help. The amount of soldiers, especially females I see and hear in the hospital for BS reasons. They don't pay any attention to a retiree sitting quietly in the corner and they openly talk about the various ways to get out of work/duty/etc., and they are fully aware they get special treatment being females. Watching how the DI's tiptoe around the trainees, not wanting to offend or have some kind of complaint filed against them I guess. The complete lack of military bearing even amongst regular troops. Every time I go to the PX/commissary the way they grab ass, have trashed uniforms, not wearing a cover outside, its all so foreign to me. The loud and proud and in your face gay soldiers take a bit to get used to. I could go on but I am sure you get my meaning. I am thankful we still have young people willing to volunteer but its just not the type of young people I guess I was expecting. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:39:19 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By spartacus2002: I can tell you right now that at least one will be unable to help out because she's on pregnancy limited duty. I was fairly neutral on female soldiers getting pregnant when I was on AD, but towards the end I saw it just fucking abused to get out of deployments, to get off work at exactly 1700 because "gotta pick up muh kids at the base daycare," to double her income by collecting BAH from multiple senior NCO babydaddies. I've come around to the point of "if they get pregnant, throw them out." I am there too. These modern whaaaamen want all the benefits of being a man and benefits of being a woman, but none of the responsibilities. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:39:29 PM EST
I'm not worried about PMCS because it's rare that an officer has time to do any of that, but does she even have the upper body strength to open the TCs hatch without aid of the loader or other crew member?
Don't bother asking why I pose this question. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:39:36 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Aimless: Time to learn Chinese. the camp guards won't speak Mandarin |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:43:20 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By spartacus2002: oh, you noticed that too.... Ever notice how Diversity excludes wypipo? We have a local weekly newspaper for the black community in the southern part of the county, they brag on the front page about "look how diverse our staff is!" and the photos are ALL black people. Yeah, that word; you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.Just like their definition of "tolerance". They've created and entire new language. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:46:38 PM EST
Some people don't know what managed decline looks like.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:50:41 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Geiseric: Some people don't know what managed decline looks like. No, and sadly they’re in the military and former (or current ) SF... |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:55:08 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Aimless: Time to learn Chinese.  |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 1:57:46 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Harv24: https://i.imgur.com/gmfxRWg.jpg Put them on this little afternoon project... report back to me how it went.... Ah, yeahhhhh...Fort Hood and the Armor Battalion I was in. Breaking Track and putting it back together. I am sooooooo very glad I was a Never a Tanker.
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:00:41 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By Avidrook: Will they (women) be able to stand the gore of real combat is the question Just like every human they will be successful by their hard work or fail due to their lack of it. Not a big fan of women in combat arms, but it's gonna happen no matter what. I often wonder how many would perform carrying full kit, weapon and ammo up a hill in Afghanistan...seen some females do it and wonder how many non veterans on Arfcom would do. Some can do it, many cannot. People live and die by their choices, chose wisely. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:01:33 PM EST
Enjoy the decline. Why should the military be any different?
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:03:59 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By USMCTanker: I'm not worried about PMCS because it's rare that an officer has time to do any of that, but does she even have the upper body strength to open the TCs hatch without aid of the loader or other crew member? Don't bother asking why I pose this question. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:07:23 PM EST
Real men don't advocate sending our wimminz off to war-God's wholesome creatures that were purpose-designed to give birth and nurture life. WTF is wrong with people at any-let alone the most senior-level of military or political leadership that thinks this gender "equality" during armed conflict abroad is normal?
I remember CMC Al Gray and other service chiefs standing up and pushing back against this "women belong in combat arms" bullshit back in the late '80s when testifying before Congress. Different breed of military officer back then. Then again, Senators Kirstin Fucking Gillibrand and Tammy Fucking Duckworth didn't sit on the Senate Armed Services Committee, either. The outcome of this unnecessary and asinine PC nonsense is not going to be pretty. |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:07:29 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By spartacus2002: oh, you noticed that too.... Ever notice how Diversity excludes wypipo? We have a local weekly newspaper for the black community in the southern part of the county, they brag on the front page about "look how diverse our staff is!" and the photos are ALL black people. Yeah, that word; you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spartacus2002: Originally Posted By Desert_AIP: Interesting that "inclusion" excludes anyone who's opinion does not agree with policy... oh, you noticed that too.... Ever notice how Diversity excludes wypipo? We have a local weekly newspaper for the black community in the southern part of the county, they brag on the front page about "look how diverse our staff is!" and the photos are ALL black people. Yeah, that word; you keep using it. I do not think it means what you think it means.The sad part is when normalish people see something like that...it makes them think "really?" |
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Posted: 2/21/2021 2:08:33 PM EST
Quote History Originally Posted By fortydelta: I'd ride in a tank with Lt Gable tho.https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/96899/20210221_115650_jpg-1835114.JPG |
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