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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:20:52 AM EDT
[#1]
Yep. A moral AND religious people.
It's not lip service. It's by design. Morality and religious beliefs were supposed to take care of the small stuff so we didn't have a bunch of micromanaging laws. There was a reason they shunned people when they engaged in bad, but not necessarily illegal, behaviors. Societal pressure had a legitimate role in preserving a community. And it was in the hands of the people, not the government, so it could be applied as we saw fit. We've ceded that role and it's now been picked up by the Left. They use it against us now. They've successfully convinced people that it's bad to judge people and treat them differently while simultaneously judging people and treating them differently. All by design. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:26:27 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our elections haven't been fair for a long time. A wealthy New York businessman should not be able to dump millions of dollars into a local prosecutor election in Kenosha Wisconsin to get his party's candidate elected. Once influence like that gets involved, the election is no longer a reflection of the will of the local people voting in that election - their will has been artificially influenced by outside interference. I don't know what the answer is, but I know that it isnt right. I agree that our government is purchased by the highest bidder. The solution is simple. End the compensation. Congress pays well and carries hefty benefits, make it an unpaid position. I have listened to many people tell me that if you don’t pay well, you will lose out on all of the good talent. That may be true in the private sector, but in government it breeds users. Ending compensation for elected officials will weed out those that have their own interest at heart. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:35:36 AM EDT
[#3]
Still be doing pretty good I think if we only had tax paying men voting.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:48:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Still be doing pretty good I think if we only had tax paying men voting. Finally, someone got it right.....Kinda sorta. The ratification of the 19th Amendment was the death knell for the Republic......August 18, 1920 was a dark day when TN became the last state needed for ratification. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:50:56 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits would be a start. The privilege of representing us should be shorter and spread among more people. To expand on this thought, no senator serving more than 7-8 years objected to the electoral count. Ted Cruz was the longest serving senator, since 2013. What that tells me is that it is only a matter of time until a senator is corrupted. The house was a much different story |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:51:54 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is YOUR solution? I vote for robot king. All hail his wireyness. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 7:54:19 AM EDT
[#7]
OP couldn't make a country that would last a year.
Curse of relativism? ETA: And a quitter. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 8:02:58 AM EDT
[#8]
Morals are not universal or uniform. There are many human morals that are pretty basic and necessary for a successful society. Honesty is the common moral that is absent from our political system. Intentionally dishonest people can not be dealt with honestly.
That said, when you find yourself in a rhetorical battle with an enemy that does not adhere to the honesty principle, to hold yourself to it while trying to fight them is the equivalent of giving yourself Glock leg before entering the octagon. Two options: 1. Hold yourself to the same rules your unscrupulous enemy does. 2. Walk away and abandon the institution you are fighting over. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:42:29 AM EDT
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The US system of government was designed around a qualified electorate. Between the 17th amendment and letting everyone over 18 vote you effectively turn our republic into a democracy that rewards poor government behavior as long as it popular with the common people. People with thousands in debt, no personal savings, and no financial literacy should not have any input on how government funds are distributed. People that receive money and participate in government welfare programs should not be voting on monetary distribution. Giving money to the poor is charity. The poor deciding what they will take is robbery.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:46:03 AM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits would be a start. The privilege of representing us should be shorter and spread among more people. This is the most realistic best fix. But we all know those with the power won't give it up.  I believe Jefferson had the solution. 
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:49:08 AM EDT
[#11]
Anarchy makes more sense now. Not Antifa style, but Michael Malice style.
I'm done with government, being led, and populism via a huge corporate centralized power system. Anarchy isn't ideal, but it's better than where we're headed. And, it's a political/social concept that holds up philosophically. People are too timid and evil to let it happen, but that's where my head is. Fuck any argument to the contrary, because it's either more of the same or oppression. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 9:59:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Repeal the 17th amendment This is a decent start, and would fix one of the wrongs perpetrated on the states in the early 20th century (but will never happen). The actual problem is that universal suffrage has been a disaster. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:02:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know, in a federal republic, the states and counties and municipalities decide such things as gun laws and what not. I'd like to have that. We don't have that. We used to, before your grand parents were born. The feds should have no say in how your community governs, unless the community is literally holding slaves or chattel or denying people essential rights. At all. We had that, but the founders didn't like it so they threw it in the trash can. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:05:58 AM EDT
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Ranked Choice Voting seems to have promise, it allows people to vote third party without the whole "throwing your vote away" bullshit behind it. I am ambivalent about term limits. On one hand it would prevent 80 year old Senators who have lived their entire adult lives in Government, on the other we run into issues where they start doing more radical shit in their final term because they can't hold another. Or as others have noted, it can lead to more entrenchment and power for the Parties.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:11:14 AM EDT
[#15]
Destroy the media, kick the legs out from under the political class.
Nothing you do will gain any traction without the media being broken down and forced to rebuild. You can’t go at them forcefully though, bringing them down has to be done asymmetrically. Their hypocrisy and lies have to be clearly displayed; lure them into destroying leftist icons.people need to see them as drunk on their own power. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:13:49 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits would be a start. The privilege of representing us should be shorter and spread among more people. its not a fix it all, but career politicians shouldn't be a thing. get elected, serve the world, and then go back to a real job. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:19:06 AM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Destroy the media, kick the legs out from under the political class. Nothing you do will gain any traction without the media being broken down and forced to rebuild. You can't go at them forcefully though, bringing them down has to be done asymmetrically. Their hypocrisy and lies have to be clearly displayed; lure them into destroying leftist icons.people need to see them as drunk on their own power. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:20:59 AM EDT
[#18]
The "western" part of the United States started out with no Rule of Law.
Hard men with guns brought the Rule of Law. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:23:19 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The "western" part of the United States started out with no Rule of Law. Hard men with guns brought the Rule of Law. That's too bad that they ruined it |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 10:32:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is sad that such a large percentage of our population no longer desires independence or self sufficiency. We are not the bold frontiersmen of the past. I dont think it's sad that people live, and desire to live, much objectively better lives. look around GD, people generally love big government and socialism. as long as its their big government socialism. what percentage claim to vomit at the smell of fast food? i wouldn't be surprised if 95% of this site doesn't spend 1 full 24 hour period without setting foot in a heated, cooled, home or hotel per year. i try and do 15 nights a year and almost all of my camping friends are 1, 2 night max a few times a year. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:25:28 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still be doing pretty good I think if we only had tax paying men voting. Married men over 25 who have served at least 5 years and have at least 2 children in wedlock and own at least 200 acres |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 11:42:02 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits would be a start. The privilege of representing us should be shorter and spread among more people. This and reduced size of government |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:20:59 PM EDT
[#23]
When men are incapable of governing themselves, what hope do they have of governing a nation?
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:32:20 PM EDT
[#24]
Thomas Jefferson stated that our form government would only function so long as the country was monocultural and agrarian.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:36:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is YOUR solution? The same place it always goes. Some type of authoritarianism. The Progressives always gamble on the benevolent dictatorship thingy. we are too stupid to govern ourselves. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: unrig the elections then we can talk about whether the constitution needs to be restructured  Attached FileIt's not going to fix itself tho. those in power have no problem with the current state of affairs they've put us in. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:38:57 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am going to move to the Oligarch class Not if they can help it. There's only so many slots. And those are filled now and for the foreseeable future. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:39:58 PM EDT
[#28]
Term limits have been a disaster everywhere they've been tried.
I'm so tired of hearing that as a solution. It turns into a corrupt job fair, with inept short term appointments. It's as ignorant of human behavior as communism is. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:49:29 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I'm intelligent and value independence so you can roll that idea up and stick up Pelosi's ass. lol |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 1:54:29 PM EDT
[#30]
The reason there is no perfect system of government and governments inevitably fall, fail or face turmoil is because they all have to defy human nature at some point.
This is why that quote about some tree needing refreshing exists. Throughout history, there aren't many people who willingly gave up power regardless of job performance. You tell a politician they are doing a bad job, it's taken as a threat. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:02:00 PM EDT
[#31]
Imagine the lunacy of trying to restrain human greed and lust for power with a sheet of paper.
All government is doomed from the outset as the most avaricious among us conspire to chip away at that which attempts to constrain them with the most powerful tool available to them: your money. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:13:48 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our elections haven't been fair for a long time. A wealthy New York businessman should not be able to dump millions of dollars into a local prosecutor election in Kenosha Wisconsin to get his party's candidate elected. Once influence like that gets involved, the election is no longer a reflection of the will of the local people voting in that election - their will has been artificially influenced by outside interference. I don't know what the answer is, but I know that it isnt right. Couldn't agree more! |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:15:40 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is YOUR solution? One is to quit importing immoral, stupid people and then paying them to reproduce. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:22:01 PM EDT
[#34]
Need to just wipe the slate clean and start over. Get back to the original founders plan. Follow the Constitution. Get rid of all gun control. Go after censoring mass media. Don't allow bribery through campaign contributions. Put term limits. Any politician that gets rich from serving needs to be thrown in jail or executed for treason and bank accounts drained. That'll keep them honest.
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:31:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Democracy can never survive long-term. Once people understand that they can vote themselves benefits from the Treasury, they will continue to do so. Sure, we can raise taxes and go into debt, but that's temporary too. Eventually that house of cards will fall.
Then you have the politicians. They can't afford to think decades or centuries in advance because they're slaves to elections every 2, 4, or 6 years. They can't think past the next election, so they just keep giving things away hoping to win enough brownie points with their constituents to be sent back to Washington. This is the reason that China will eventually defeat us. Their dictatorship gives them the ability to play the long game. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:44:55 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits have been a disaster everywhere they've been tried. I'm so tired of hearing that as a solution. It turns into a corrupt job fair, with inept short term appointments. It's as ignorant of human behavior as communism is. Yep. Nothing meaningful can happen short term and ever changing policy would destroy the country muy rapido...we wouldn’t be able to maintain any stability. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:48:05 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is YOUR solution? Section8, apartment dwellers, living in moms basement? No vote for you. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:48:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits would be a start. The privilege of representing us should be shorter and spread among more people. Word... |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:50:09 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go back to needing to be a landowner to be eligible to vote. Section8, apartment dwellers, living in moms basement? No vote for you. For sure, no skin in the game... Earned... |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:50:46 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe the people being pandered to are the a bigger problem than the panderers. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:52:55 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is YOUR solution? same as every other free man's solution: we're gonna have to fight for it. thinks of value are ALWAYS stolen. Your freedom, your economic output, it valuable. Every fucking shitstain, leech, tyrant, and lazy piece of shit on the planet wants to take some of that. sometimes you have to fight them off to keep your freedom. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:54:54 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is YOUR solution? Return to constitutional government, throw out at least half the federal regulations, start revoking federal laws, strip federal agencies of the power to enact new regulations, lower taxes, balance the budget, cut out government giveaways, put the current congress in prison (well, almost all of them), no tax on whiskey (thanks Mr. Hayes), M16s for everyone, and free ammo. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 2:57:15 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Owning of property is a stupid system to determine who votes. Citizens who are net tax payers should be the only ones voting. Anyone on the Dole or otherwise getting more benefits from the government than they are paying in taxes should not be able to vote themselves more money from the public treasury. That's the issue that got us into this mess in the first place. Quote HistoryQuoted: Owning of property is a stupid system to determine who votes. Citizens who are net tax payers should be the only ones voting. Anyone on the Dole or otherwise getting more benefits from the government than they are paying in taxes should not be able to vote themselves more money from the public treasury. That's the issue that got us into this mess in the first place. Quoted: No. Sick of legislating for the dumbest in society. We need policies that reward intelligence and punish stupidity. Let's start with eliminating warning labels and go from there. Maybe we end up with an IQ test to vote and hold public office. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 3:02:54 PM EDT
[#44]
States rights and autonomy, and a very small Federal government is the answer.
Putting THAT genie back in the bottle would be extremely bloody. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 3:15:53 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What is YOUR solution? 
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:20:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2021 7:33:33 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Term limits have been a disaster everywhere they've been tried. I'm so tired of hearing that as a solution. It turns into a corrupt job fair, with inept short term appointments. It's as ignorant of human behavior as communism is. Not to mention it's dodgable anyway, as the Clintons attempted. Married rep can just have their spouse run in their place and double their term length. Or a party can run sock puppets who can be relied upon to bow to party leadership with total loyalty like they do in European parliamentary systems. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 5:53:02 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure, no skin in the game... Earned... Oh cut the crap. Why is landowning required? Do citizens who pay more in taxes than they get in benefits not deserve a say? They have skin in the game too. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 6:39:08 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh cut the crap. Why is landowning required? Do citizens who pay more in taxes than they get in benefits not deserve a say? They have skin in the game too. Everyone should definitely have a say. Perhaps the weight of the vote though should not be weighted as heavily. We all love free money but nobody likes contributing to that pool. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:02:46 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh cut the crap. Why is landowning required? Do citizens who pay more in taxes than they get in benefits not deserve a say? They have skin in the game too. No. Not everyone deserves a say in government. Some men are meant to rule, others are meant to be ruled. The flip side of that is only the rulers should be taxed by the central authority. The little people owe service to their betters for their protection be it in labor or product. |
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