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Posted: 11/12/2019 1:18:03 PM EDT
UPDATE: Now rebuilding the R1+ as I had originally planned as finances were diverted from the new build.
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The OP: I've been working on upgrading my current printer, which is my upgraded Robo R1+. Here is what I had planned:
I keep getting back to I'm basically gutting the thing out, using the motion system (which is upgraded to Misumi bearings/rods), steppers, and pretty much changing everything else out. I decided to just leave it as is and build a new printer from scratch. This will still likely get a Volcano hot end, and I'll use it for big, chunky parts, unless I get endlessly frustrated with it at which point I'll shelf it or give it away. I have a Prusa Mini on pre-order (got the order in opening weekend, hoping to have it in early December ), but I wanted something else as well and probably leave the mini dedicated with a .25 nozzle for a detail dedicated printer. I decided on a Prusa Bear MK3 style printer. Since its Prusa based, there is a LOT already out there for adding BLTouch, different extruders, etc. Saves me LOTS of CAD time. It is Cartesian, but I can live with that. I'll wait to jump into coreXY for when the Prusa XL comes out next year . Here is my shopping list so far, but its subject to change:
Some thoughts and things I'm not set on yet:
As always, I'm very much open to thoughts. |
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I am making the jump to core XY personally. Decided to do a Hypercube with some of the Hypercube Evolution parts downsized for 2020 extrusions. Only glitch I'm running into is they're a pain in the ass to enclose for printing with ABS. Cartesians have them beat in that regards, but have a larger footprint so it's a catch 22.
Water cooled hot ends sound interesting....need to look into that. Pretty sure you need a chimera type hotend for soluables. I don't imagine they'll play nice with a diamond that I want to use. A cyclops I imagine will be much the same. |
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My first 3d printer was an ender 3 that I decided from the get-go to make dual extrusion.
The setup was not that hard but it did require replacing practically everything. I would have come out money ahead to just buy a higher dollar printer to begin with, but I did learn a lot, I guess. Anyway, dual extrusion with a y adapter is not that hard to set up, although optimizing my retracts was sort of hard for me (ended up with trial and error... whatever you settle upon will be based on the length of tubing between your adapter and hot end nozzle). If you use a volcano or volcano style hot end th3d and triangle labs sell a y adapter that will thread in, which is pretty cool. But I found that using PVA was a pain in the ass just because of the nature of the filament. Even from a drybox it popped and hissed so I had to dehydrate it to use it. It was expensive per roll but that wasn't really a big deal because you could set it to only build the interfaces out of pva and build everything else out of your structural material. Anyway, when I tried using it with anything other than PLA I had other problems. Lots of oozing when I tried it at petg temps, which wasn't surprising l guess. Just sort of made a mess. I know HIPS is the proper dissolvable filament for ABS but it needs limonene to soften and is expensive to boot so I never tried it. Perhaps I didnt give it a fair shake but if I knew then what I know now I would have gone the route of something like the Palette Mosaic. Seems to be much more well-regarded than the Prusa MMU but I have not used either. 3dprinting nerd had a video recently where he did pla prints with petg interfaces instead of pva using a mosaic 2, and that would be really easy and cost effective. Well, the petg would be, the mosaic not so much. Now that said, doing multicolored PLA I never had an issue, although I found myself constantly wishing I could do more than two colors, so I just ended up painting anyway. I'll probably end up just taking the second extruder off honestly because the novelty wore off. Additionally I saw videos of The 3d chameleon at the MRRF and it looks a bit convoluted but certainly effective. Might be worth checking out too. Sorry if the post is a bit all over the place but there are lots of options now... the tech is changing so rapidly. The low cost of the 3Dchameleon makes me want to give it a shot in 4 color. |
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Hmm.
For me, its soluble support or there is no reason to have multi-material capability. Dual V6 extruders on a Bowden would be OK, maybe I should go that route. I could upgrade to the Mosquito if I ever feel like blowing $600. But you do get the multi-nozzle issues I've heard of but never experienced (I have no experience with multi-nozzle printers at all). |
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So here is where I'm at.
I just ordered: Duet maestro Volcano kit, 24v X nozzle for volcano, .6mm BLTouch Have already: Mk52 heated bed, clone Textured build surface, original prusa Mk3 Y carriage I still need to: Spend another $100 to build a prusa bear tall kit. Going to take as many high quality components out of my current printer as possible (it's filled with expensive misumi bearings) to put into it. My current printer can be refitted with cheap Chinese stuff, let kids play with it. If they break it, meh. Better they learn on that one then my good machines. Need to hit Ali Express for a Titan v6 clone |
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I'm doing the same thing. Prusa Bear frame stretched to 420mm on the Z axis. I'm also building a Zaribo Mk3 Rev 3 type frame right now with a 420mm Z.
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So here is where I'm at. I just ordered: Duet maestro Volcano kit, 24v X nozzle for volcano, .6mm BLTouch Have already: Mk52 heated bed, clone Textured build surface, original prusa Mk3 Y carriage I still need to: Spend another $100 to build a prusa bear tall kit. Going to take as many high quality components out of my current printer as possible (it's filled with expensive misumi bearings) to put into it. My current printer can be refitted with cheap Chinese stuff, let kids play with it. If they break it, meh. Better they learn on that one then my good machines. Need to hit Ali Express for a Titan v6 clone View Quote What are you planning to do for axis end stops? |
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@Rat_Patrol What are you planning to do for axis end stops? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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So here is where I'm at. I just ordered: Duet maestro Volcano kit, 24v X nozzle for volcano, .6mm BLTouch Have already: Mk52 heated bed, clone Textured build surface, original prusa Mk3 Y carriage I still need to: Spend another $100 to build a prusa bear tall kit. Going to take as many high quality components out of my current printer as possible (it's filled with expensive misumi bearings) to put into it. My current printer can be refitted with cheap Chinese stuff, let kids play with it. If they break it, meh. Better they learn on that one then my good machines. Need to hit Ali Express for a Titan v6 clone What are you planning to do for axis end stops? |
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It's actually moreso the trinamic drivers, as both Marlin and Reprap firmware support the function.
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I've heard the sensorless isn't quite as precise, but I've never used it. Keep us posted on that one.
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X and Y don't really need to be as precise as Z for homing anyway.
But it should be more accurate than micro switches. |
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Got the display in.
I plan on using the web interface mostly, so I cheaped out and got the Reprap discount display for $11 prime. Should really barely ever need it, but every machine should have a display/control outside of an external computer. I'll get the bom for the bear tomorrow and order that up. The new E3d hemera extruder is enticing, but I think I'll put my Titan v6 on it for now and save the money. It would be an easy upgrade later. |
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Hmm.
Some unforseen medical expenses have come up, need to re-allocate funds away from the new printer. I guess the old Robo will get the upgrades already on order for now. I'll pick it up back later with linear rails and a Hemera extruder on the Prusa Bear frame . Not going to touch the Robo until after my Prusa Mini is in though. I need a 3D printer going at all times for work. |
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The switch from Marlin based machines to the Reprap firmware should be interesting.
The internets claim that Reprap is superior, we shall see. I'll have to run a 3d Benchy before and after upgrades. Going from a Mega/RAMPS/Polulu combo to a Duet with trinamic drivers and 32 bit processing may show a significant quality improvement. We shall see. |
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What is your Z height going to be? I should be getting my longer verticals tomorrow?
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Eventually I think I'll go to 400mm when I get the new frame. I think for an i3, that seems plenty.
Right now, since I had to divert funds from a totally new printer, the volcano and bed upgrades will cost me probably 25mm of z. Not sure exactly yet though |
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For a Bear frame you can get steppers that have built in lead screws that will get you 420mm from Zaribo. I picked up some 500mm extrusions for my Z. My machinist friend is going to cut them down to 459mm for me. That will match the steppers perfectly.
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Yup, my Robo uses those type.
You can also go with a spider coupler for a standard stepper. |
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I put on the volcano upgrade. I have to keep using the original heater core, as I have not made the switch to a 24v system yet (haven't done the new Duet board upgrade), so I am PID tuning for the old 12v heater cartridge.
I also forgot to order a volcano sock . I want to make a Benchy as before and after. I decided to to swap upgrade to the volcano first as there should be zero changes in print quality from that alone (except an X nozzle over regular brass may be better??). Oh well, that change is done. I'll make up a Benchy and keep the gcode so I can run it again once the new Duet is installed. My fan setup is not going to work well for the volcano. I heated it and bent it down a bit, but I'll have to model a new fan solution. |
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Just keep in mind that the Volcano is designed to print fast and move a lot of filament through there quickly.
Where I see people run into problems is trying to go for too much quality with one. Smaller layers and slower speeds has the filament moving through the longer heated zone very slowly. This increased dwell time can put too much heat into the filament and cause issues similar to heat creep. Not saying it wont do it, just that it wasnt really designed for it, and def something to be aware of when setting up the slicer. |
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The volcano is sensitive to over extrusion. I was playing with the multiplier, and if you over extrude, and not by much, it causes stringing.
Because even a small percentage of over extrusion means a relatively large amount of plastic coming out, it bulges up above layer height and sticks to the nozzle (not much, and it breaks away, but still) and causes some strings. Just something to note. |
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Interesting on the holes.
I usually size them to exactly what will be going through. This ends up with them being a bit snug, then friction ream with whatever will be going through there for perfect fit. Basically just chuck whatever is going to go through in the drill and let it heat and melt its way through. Drill bits spinning the wrong direction work well too. |
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Interesting on the holes. I usually size them to exactly what will be going through. This ends up with them being a bit snug, then friction ream with whatever will be going through there for perfect fit. Basically just chuck whatever is going to go through in the drill and let it heat and melt its way through. Drill bits spinning the wrong direction work well too. View Quote This part is actually a good example that I'll be using as it has "usually round" holes in both planes, and they are handled differently. |
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Case is up on Thingiverse
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4070665.. I'll be uploading the other mods after I make sure they fit as intended. |
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Coming along.
Trouble with fans though. Can't get the print fan to work, even though I tested it before install, and I can only get 1 output fan to work. Setup problem I'm sure, haven't dug into it or got on forums for help. Its a mess, but its my mess in progress :D Working on getting a print going now, just to see what it can do. ETA: Hmm, trouble loading the photo. Just gives me a black box. |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/165887/KIMG1420_JPG-1228063.jpg Pardon the mess. Mad scientist laboratory and all. View Quote The correct term is angry engineer. 90% of what the movies term as science is actually engineering. Death ray? Engineer. Killer robot? Engineer. |
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True, true.
Angry engineer just doesn't have that pop though. Need to think about that one |
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New models are uploaded to Thingiverse, everything I designed for the upgrade.
These include: X Carriage, X Idler, X Motor Mount, Maestro Case/Lid Located here: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4106518 https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4106482 The preview thumbnails are not working on Thingiverse due to.....reasons of the Thingiverse type. |
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Looking good! I like the wide stance on the hot end carriage rails.
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