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Posted: 12/7/2021 7:56:13 AM EDT
[#1]
I have seen it before and I think it is shit construction. I have no idea how that passes code. Not much help just my thoughts.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 8:00:41 AM EDT
[#2]
Your house isn’t going to collapse. Just bring it up to code.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 8:04:29 AM EDT
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Ive seen that before in TX. That would be pretty on par for a tract home, is your house in a development? No its probably not going to collapse so long as the framing hasnt rotted away.close it up asap tho.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 8:08:14 AM EDT
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Back in that era, code allowed for plywood/osb sheathing at all corners and foam board or tar impregnated board in the field. No, your home isn’t going to collapse but if you’re going to R&R all the siding, I would go ahead and sheath it with 1/2” 4 ply. Forget tyvek, use a fluid applied WRB. Look at Spray Wrap MVP or CAT 5 by Prosoco or the MasterSeal AWB line by BASF.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 8:22:21 AM EDT
[#5]
Probably has let-in bracing, or sheer panels at the corners only as another poster said
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Posted: 12/7/2021 8:27:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Back in that era, code allowed for plywood/osb sheathing at all corners and foam board or tar impregnated board in the field. No, your home isn't going to collapse but if you're going to R&R all the siding, I would go ahead and sheath it with 1/2" 4 ply. Forget tyvek, use a fluid applied WRB. Look at Spray Wrap MVP or CAT 5 by Prosoco or the MasterSeal AWB line by BASF. Just out of curiosity why do you prefer the fluid applied WRB? |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 8:31:11 AM EDT
[#7]
We built them like that working with Habitat for Humanity. A little osb on the corners and the front.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 8:41:25 AM EDT
[#8]
Perfectly normal for the era. There is wind bracing installed on the corners of all the outside walls. The thought was foam board has a higher r value then plywood. The garage was probably built with osb.
Poked a lot of holes in foam board looking for studs installing siding back in the 80’s! |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 9:00:28 AM EDT
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We always used to joke about this style of construction that you could break in someone’s house with a utility knife.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 9:38:34 AM EDT
[#10]
Tract home special. Seen it a bunch in Texas and Az
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Posted: 12/7/2021 9:42:58 AM EDT
[#11]
I have seen this before, your house should be fine.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 9:46:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just out of curiosity why do you prefer the fluid applied WRB? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Back in that era, code allowed for plywood/osb sheathing at all corners and foam board or tar impregnated board in the field. No, your home isn't going to collapse but if you're going to R&R all the siding, I would go ahead and sheath it with 1/2" 4 ply. Forget tyvek, use a fluid applied WRB. Look at Spray Wrap MVP or CAT 5 by Prosoco or the MasterSeal AWB line by BASF. Just out of curiosity why do you prefer the fluid applied WRB? First off, I live and work in FL so please consider that. Fluid applied allows you to get in every single "nook and cranny" of an irregular surface, you simply cannot get totally sealed with Tyvek and tape. We use it exclusively to ensure a complete secondary water infiltration barrier, particularly under stucco but also under siding. The downside is that one can make a structure "too tight". The mechanical guys will handle that by instructing fresh air into the HVAC system from outside. Wood structures + Florida = rot so we are pretty particular about ensuring that secondary barrier. The insurance carriers like it as well. Bonus: when penetrated with nails the WRB "self seals". |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 9:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: First off, I live and work in FL so please consider that. Fluid applied allows you to get in every single "nook and cranny" of an irregular surface, you simply cannot get totally sealed with Tyvek and tape. We use it exclusively to ensure a complete secondary water infiltration barrier, particularly under stucco but also under siding. The downside is that one can make a structure "too tight". The mechanical guys will handle that by instructing fresh air into the HVAC system from outside. Wood structures + Florida = rot so we are pretty particular about ensuring that secondary barrier. The insurance carriers like it as well. Bonus: when penetrated with nails the WRB "self seals". Do you know how much I fight this? I can usually make it happen with ICF, but anything "normal" I just get shouted down. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 9:59:24 AM EDT
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In my AO rigid foam sheathing is code. If you use plywood sheathing it will still get wrapped in rigid foam with the seams taped. The new combo products like zip system it's combined into a single 4x8 sheet.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:00:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you know how much I fight this? I can usually make it happen with ICF, but anything "normal" I just get shouted down. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: First off, I live and work in FL so please consider that. Fluid applied allows you to get in every single "nook and cranny" of an irregular surface, you simply cannot get totally sealed with Tyvek and tape. We use it exclusively to ensure a complete secondary water infiltration barrier, particularly under stucco but also under siding. The downside is that one can make a structure "too tight". The mechanical guys will handle that by instructing fresh air into the HVAC system from outside. Wood structures + Florida = rot so we are pretty particular about ensuring that secondary barrier. The insurance carriers like it as well. Bonus: when penetrated with nails the WRB "self seals". Do you know how much I fight this? I can usually make it happen with ICF, but anything "normal" I just get shouted down. I had a feeling you would chime in. I'm just a dumbass GC, not a wizard like you HVAC guys.  I just do what the experts tell me to do. When someone asks what I do for a living, I tell them that I talk on the phone, complain, and write checks. Also, is it bad that my vent hood sucks more air out of my house than my air handler moves?  |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:13:36 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I had a feeling you would chime in. I'm just a dumbass GC, not a wizard like you HVAC guys. I just do what the experts tell me to do. When someone asks what I do for a living, I tell them that I talk on the phone, complain, and write checks. Also, is it bad that my vent hood sucks more air out of my house than my air handler moves? My kids say I talk on the phone, ride around town, and draw lines. Do you know how many homes on 30A have 900 CFM Viking kitchen hoods and no outside air? A few less than all of them, but not by much. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:17:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My kids say I talk on the phone, ride around town, and draw lines. Do you know how many homes on 30A have 900 CFM Viking kitchen hoods and no outside air? A few less than all of them, but not by much. 900? Shit, I’m at either 1200 or 1400. I can’t remember which. No smoke when I blacken fish inside though. 
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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:37:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We always used to joke about this style of construction that you could break in someone’s house with a utility knife. This is not something I had considered, thank you for giving me an additional anxiety.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 10:57:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ive seen that before in TX. That would be pretty on par for a tract home, is your house in a development? No its probably not going to collapse so long as the framing hasnt rotted away.close it up asap tho. The would sheath the corners of the wall with a sheet of 4x8 plywood. But nothing in the middle of the wall. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 11:24:36 AM EDT
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Consider yourself lucky. Mine only has black tar paper under the Hardie siding.
 Terrible for sound and temp. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 11:32:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Consider yourself lucky. Mine only has black tar paper under the Hardie siding. Terrible for sound and temp. Pretty common in CA only with stucco instead of siding. Paper/tape, chicken wire, stucco. It cost me a shitload more to have my addition sheathed with OSB instead of it being done that way. Wanted it to match the house that was sheathed when built. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 11:43:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is not something I had considered, thank you for giving me an additional anxiety. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We always used to joke about this style of construction that you could break in someone’s house with a utility knife. This is not something I had considered, thank you for giving me an additional anxiety. Right?!!! Not the older homes though. Wood siding, wood sheathing, wood lathe and plaster on the interior. New homes are super easy to penetrate unless you use plywood/zip wall system or have a brick exterior. |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 11:45:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 900? Shit, I’m at either 1200 or 1400. I can’t remember which. No smoke when I blacken fish inside though. No air conditioning either.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 11:50:34 AM EDT
[#24]
It's pretty common in other developed countries. We are the odd ones out for using sheathing.
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Posted: 12/7/2021 11:54:56 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just out of curiosity why do you prefer the fluid applied WRB? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Back in that era, code allowed for plywood/osb sheathing at all corners and foam board or tar impregnated board in the field. No, your home isn't going to collapse but if you're going to R&R all the siding, I would go ahead and sheath it with 1/2" 4 ply. Forget tyvek, use a fluid applied WRB. Look at Spray Wrap MVP or CAT 5 by Prosoco or the MasterSeal AWB line by BASF. Just out of curiosity why do you prefer the fluid applied WRB? Tyvek patches suck and are subjectable in letting water in |
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Posted: 12/7/2021 12:31:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No air conditioning either. Meh, it catches up eventually, it’s only money.  |
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